[W:1721] [W:2837] Post Conception Opt-Out FOR MEN

[MrNiceGuy]

The more we talk about this issue on here the more people see the value in honest and open discussion prior to sex that results in parenting expectations established in writing

Sure, that's fine, but you're never going to get people signing too many documents before knocking boots. It's hard to get people to sign prenuptual agreements - pre-bang agreements will be a bit harder to come by. People hook up and screw without even knowing the other person's name, sometimes. They go on first dates and **** in the car. Not sure how many girls would sign off on a paper while we're hot and heavy on a date, and she has her tits out and my dick in her hand and I say "hold on baby, I have some papers for you to review...." LOL

 

[vegas giants]

Sure, that's fine, but you're never going to get people signing too many documents before knocking boots. It's hard to get people to sign prenuptual agreements - pre-bang agreements will be a bit harder to come by. People hook up and screw without even knowing the other person's name, sometimes. They go on first dates and **** in the car. Not sure how many girls would sign off on a paper while we're hot and heavy on a date, and she has her tits out and my dick in her hand and I say "hold on baby, I have some papers for you to review...." LOL

But they do sign pre nuptial agreements. And men concerned about protecting their assets may do this as standard practice....just as they do prenuptial agreements.


It's up to the individuals.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

But they do sign pre nuptial agreements. And men concerned about protecting their assets may do this as standard practice....just as they do prenuptial agreements.


It's up to the individuals.

Sure, but 3% of married couples have prenups.

How many "pre-f%ck" agreements do you think there will be? LOL. It's like saying to a girl who's about to give it up for you, that "hey, my dick is so good, in order to get some of this, you need to absolve me of any parental responsibility if my boys hit paydirt." I have learned a thing or two about women over the years, and one thing is, they ain't gonna sign that.

 

[vegas giants]

Sure, but 3% of married couples have prenups.

How many "pre-f%ck" agreements do you think there will be? LOL. It's like saying to a girl who's about to give it up for you, that "hey, my dick is so good, in order to get some of this, you need to absolve me of any parental responsibility if my boys hit paydirt." I have learned a thing or two about women over the years, and one thing is, they ain't gonna sign that.

I think very few. Actually none in my lifetime.

But do you think a guy like Leo decaprio would use one if he could?

 

[MrNiceGuy]

I think very few. Actually none in my lifetime.

But do you think a guy like Leo decaprio would use one if he could?

I don't know and I don't care.

 

[vegas giants]

I don't know and I don't care.

You don't need to care


But you do support it

 

[lwf]

Sometimes

I suggest you take a look at the stats on who the courts overwhelming rules in favor of when their is a custody dispute.

And you think bias against men is the only explanation?

 

[lwf]

Welcome aboard

So we hold both parents to their decision to have sex. Both the mother and the father are on the hook if a child is born from this. Both parties can consent to pre-birth parenting agreements. But these cannot be enforceable by law. If one parent agrees to take on the full financial burden for the child and releases the other from parenting responsibilities, but then later is unable to fulfill this agreement, then the other parent, if able, must be required to financially support the child by law regardless of any preexisting parenting agreements.

 

[vegas giants]

So we hold both parents to their decision to have sex. Both the mother and the father are on the hook if a child is born from this. Both parties can consent to pre-birth parenting agreements. But these cannot be enforceable by law. If one parent agrees to take on the full financial burden for the child and releases the other from parenting responsibilities, but then later is unable to fulfill this agreement, then the other parent, if able, must be required to financially support the child by law regardless of any preexisting parenting agreements.

OK what you are saying is a sperm donor father must pay if the mother becomes poor.....right?

 

[MrNiceGuy]

You don't need to care


But you do support it

Not particularly. I'm open to it, if it's akin to a sperm donor agreement. That's all.

 

[Bodi]

That's different than what you are proposing.

Not sure where you get that. That is what I always proposed... for ten years or so.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

OK what you are saying is a sperm donor father must pay if the mother becomes poor.....right?

No, but there are legal requisites for sperm donorship. It's not just men declaring after conception that they wish to be considered a sperm donor.

 

[vegas giants]

Not particularly. I'm open to it, if it's akin to a sperm donor agreement. That's all.

Oh God. What a wishy washy position. Lol

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Oh God. What a wishy washy position. Lol

Yes, admittedly. That's what "I don't know and I don't care" signifies. Lack of knowledge and apathy.

 

[vegas giants]

No, but there are legal requisites for sperm donorship. It's not just men declaring after conception that they wish to be considered a sperm donor.

Depends on the state. Some states have very few laws on this

 

[Bodi]

Gee wizzzz! You can't even stay on topic in a thread you created. This isn't about being a parent. It's about child support.

No it isn't.

Women are the ones stuck parenting the kid while the bio daddy gets to be absent from the child's life. Talk about equality.

Wrong. The woman can Opt-Out and abort her parenthood and he gets no such equal opportunity to Opt-Out of parenthood.

 

[vegas giants]

Yes, admittedly. That's what "I don't know and I don't care" signifies. Lack of knowledge and apathy.

Great


I don't care. Lol

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Great


I don't care. Lol

Meh.

 

[vegas giants]

Meh.

Days of debate.



Meh. Lol

 

[Bodi]

Yeah yeah... dude we are talking about what happens when the kid is born and the woman keeps it.

WRONG WRONG

We are talking about each parent's right/opportunity to Opt-Out of becoming a parent Post-Conception and Pre-Birth

She raises the kid, the daddy is absent ..

If she is raising a kid it is because she did not Opt-Out.

and doesn't want to pay child support to boot.

If she Opts-Out then she is not paying Child Support either... but this is about Opting-Out Post-Conception and Pre-Birth... not Child Support for a child that does not even exist yet.

Isn't that what the OP wants?

There is a lot that I want...

He wants bio daddy to be able to opt out of child support by law without the bio mommys consent.

Just as the bio Mommy is able to opt out of child support by law without the bio Daddy's consent...

So did bio daddy when he couldn't keep his johnson in his pants.

You are very far behind in this debate. You need to familiarize yourself with the OP instead of blundering about like you are.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

No it isn't.

Wrong. The woman can Opt-Out and abort her parenthood and he gets no such equal opportunity to Opt-Out of parenthood.

She can't "opt out of parenthood." If she had that right, there would be a baby born that she opted out of and doesn't support. What she does have is the right to kill it, to some extent, in some jurisdictions, under certain requirements, and sometimes it's prohibited.

 

[vegas giants]

She can't "opt out of parenthood." If she had that right, there would be a baby born that she opted out of and doesn't support. What she does have is the right to kill it, to some extent, in some jurisdictions, under certain requirements, and sometimes it's prohibited.

Well.....meh

 

[Bodi]

As I said somewhere else - insecurity and jealousy. That’s what this all boils down to.

Now that you realize what is wrong you can work on becoming a healthier person.

 

[AGENT J]

She can't "opt out of parenthood." If she had that right, there would be a baby born that she opted out of and doesn't support. What she does have is the right to kill it, to some extent, in some jurisdictions, under certain requirements, and sometimes it's prohibited.

she most certainly and factually can opt out of parenthood. Once again facts don't change based on feelings and this fact has been proven over and over again.

 

[Bodi]

Becuz you imply bio daddy has no control over his impulses and is victimized either by his own sexual nature or the seductive power of the woman.

^^^ Hates Men

This is know as Misandry.