Nope. We are discussing the post conception choice. She gets one he does not.
sure, they both have the opportunity to prevent pregnancy. Once again, their business, nobody else's. They should support their children.
They should do a lot of things. But they don't. If we are going by should then she should not have a kid in this situation
Frivolous is a pretty strong word. They let a lot of novel and good faith arguments that are strange and push the limits. This issue raised in the Dubay v Wells case was "frivolous." It was also found wholly without merit in the Hedges case in the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals.
No. I support making the bio dad pay child support so the kid has adequate resources. Try to keep up.
I want to create a system that encourages better outcomes for men women and children
What is "this" situation? The OP refers to any mother having any baby. There is no specific "situation" that this opt out would apply to. The OP says it would be for ANY pregnancy. The OP doesn't even, as I recall, distinguish between married couples and paternity suits. Presumably, if wifey becomes pregnant, and hubby says "oh, no, not again! three kids is enough! I'm done! I'm opting out of this one!" - the same arguments you make now would apply to that specific situation too. Or, would you support the idea that hubbies do not have equal rights to wifeys, but girlfriends and boyfriends have equal rights? How do you address that?
A man and a woman agree prior to sex that neither wants to be a parent. They recognize they are ill prepared for this responsibility because they are immature and not financially stable.
I can say "She shouldn't have sex.. but failing that.. she should use birth control.. but failing that.. she should get an abortion.. but failing that..."
Well, your proposed system, which would let a husband or long term cohabitant "opt out" of having to support a child doesn't really help anyone. Your proposed scenario would allow dads who are dads to 2 kids with a woman (maybe the relationship was great for many years), and then third bun gets in the oven and now the relationship has soured, and well, here ya go, opt out! - So, he's in with 2 of his kids, and out with the third. **** that third child, right? Mom was a **** who had the last clear chance to kill it, and she chose not to kill it, so **** it, no support for her (support to the other two, yes, but not her), and of course, dad will go to school functions for child one and two, but child three, nope, dad won't show up for that. And, when child three wants daddy to help her with a cold or sore throat, or to make taking medicine a little easier, or to snuggle, or play catch or to read a book, or make it all better when one of her little friends does something crummy, etc etc etc -- the first 2 get the dad, the third one, **** her, mommy will deal with it, because that bitch should have aborted her.
I want to encourage people who WANT to be parents....not women looking for a payday
They are the only questions
And any answer provided will not stop poor women from chossing to give birth.. unless, as I said, you want Mr Dictator to FORCE women to abstain from sex.. or.. abort the pregnancy if she's poor.
No I don't. Sorry
Then why would my or anyone elses answer to that question matter? Are you thinking that every poor woman considering intercourse is watching this thread and will stop themselves from having sex if I answer the question the way you want???
I don't want to force anyone. I want you encourage better decisions for kids
Ok. I encourage everyone to make better decisions.. for the kids..
Do not pretend such laziness. I gave you the post and quoted your words. Now you try and pretend they are not.
Mother's SHOULD not bring kids into the world they can't afford
You can say that a million times more if you want.. and absentee bio daddys should STILL support the kids they helped make.
What it boils down is control over someone without their consent. Women think they are entitled to demand assistance with choices they made, from men who had no say in the process.
And I agree with you on that.. meet me half way and agree with me on this.. absentee bio daddys should STILL support the kids they helped make.