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[W:1721] [W:2837] Post Conception Opt-Out FOR MEN

Hold Man Hostage?

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soylentgreen said:
Well your in luck then because I agree. Instead I would argue that men should be held responsible for their own actions. And unless your going give immaculate conception a try then we can usually assume some man had some action in creating that pregnancy.

In this case a man's choices are not being restrained so much as they just being held accountable.
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A man can choose to impregnate a woman but only a woman can choose to have a baby. No man can do that.
 
trouble13 said:
Is there a particular reason you are opposed to women being accountable for their decisions?
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Both are accountable.
If you feck, you're both accountable and you're equally accountable for your sperm as she is for her egg.

Like I said, I managed to avoid being a daddy till I wanted to be one.
And I was in a reasonably successful BAND, which meant much more access to women, and I didn't look too bad either back then.
I managed, so can others.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Both are accountable.
If you feck, you're both accountable and you're equally accountable for your sperm as she is for her egg.

Like I said, I managed to avoid being a daddy till I wanted to be one.
And I was in a reasonably successful BAND, which meant much more access to women, and I didn't look too bad either back then.
I managed, so can others.
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Why don't you tell women that most manage to not get pregnant until they are ready. Why not tell the ones who find themselves pregnant they will simply have to have the baby since they were not responsible enough to prevent it in the first place?

Why do you hold men and women to different standards when it comes to personal responsibility?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I guarantee you if I was a woman and some guy started mumbling about nonsense like this I'd kick his ass to the curb in a hot second.
Bunch of whiny pansies.
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Damn slaves... they were always whining about being slaves...
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Figure out how birth control works.
I'm sixty-five, been married twice and have enjoyed choices and privileges with women unknown to most men, and have yet to "unknowingly" father a child.
My children are all by conscious intentional choice.
And if a dummy like me can figure it out I'm sure most men can, they're just too entitled, lazy or irresponsible to do it.

I'd bet ten bucks that the majority of "opt-out" guys and MGTOW don't even understand that women can pee with a tampon inserted.
Hell, I'd even bet that most of them think a baby grows in a woman's stomach.
You guys are all Ben Shapiros! 😆
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Why is it that you think that women can not be responsible?
 
soylentgreen said:
I quite openly addressed the issue of you throwing a tantrum every so often. if I did not know better I would start to think you might not like me.
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When you do it to another person in another thread without notifying me... that is talking behind a person's back. That is Passive Aggressive.

It is not a big deal... you can own it and not be any less of a man.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Both are accountable.
If you feck, you're both accountable and you're equally accountable for your sperm as she is for her egg.
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But she isn't.
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Like I said, I managed to avoid being a daddy till I wanted to be one.
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But women can have sex and get pregnant when they are not ready to be a mommy?

On top of that... they can have a baby that they can not support? You are fine with this.?
 
trouble13 said:
A man can choose to impregnate a woman but only a woman can choose to have a baby. No man can do that.
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Correct. And that choice made by a man to impregnate is what they are being held accountable for. Not the women choice to be pregnant.
 
Bodi said:
When you do it to another person in another thread without notifying me... that is talking behind a person's back. That is Passive Aggressive.

It is not a big deal... you can own it and not be any less of a man.
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Or I could just ignore this lame attempt to change the subject.

Care to explain what his support means?
 
Bodi said:
But she isn't.

But women can have sex and get pregnant when they are not ready to be a mommy?
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A very moralistic question. It answers itself. Yes, women can have sex whenever they want. And if you disagree then provide the method by which you change can to cannot.
On top of that... they can have a baby that they can not support? You are fine with this.?
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No, of course not. Which is why any sensible government would provide welfare systems that did support people who choose to become parents.

You do use this word support a lot. But a bit shy of what that support details.
 
soylentgreen said:
A very moralistic question. It answers itself. Yes, women can have sex whenever they want. And if you disagree then provide the method by which you change can to cannot.

No, of course not. Which is why any sensible government would provide welfare systems that did support people who choose to become parents.

You do use this word support a lot. But a bit shy of what that support details.
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Then if they get the welfare payments they don't need child support



Welcome aboard
 
soylentgreen said:
Correct. And that choice made by a man to impregnate is what they are being held accountable for. Not the women choice to be pregnant.
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If your saying that men are choosing to impregnate women everytime they have sex you have to also conclude that women are choosing to be impregnated every time they have sex. That is a great argument for outlawing abortions.
 
Bodi said:
Why can't the women wait?
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They can wait and, as far as I can tell, everyone here wants them to. So what? What does this have to do with existing kids who need support?
 
FreeStorm84 said:
They can wait and, as far as I can tell, everyone here wants them to. So what? What does this have to do with existing kids who need support?
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Can they be held to a contract?
 
FreeStorm84 said:
Did the kid agree to the contract? Who will support the kid if the Mother doesn't have or make enough money? Oh yes, the taxpayer who has nothing to do with making the kid.
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Did the kid agree to a sperm donor contract? He can't sue for child support either


Who will support that kid if the mother goes broke?
 
trouble13 said:
If your saying that men are choosing to impregnate women everytime they have sex you have to also conclude that women are choosing to be impregnated every time they have sex. That is a great argument for outlawing abortions.
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No, I said men are choosing to have sex, not that they are choosing to impregnate.
 
vegas giants said:
Why are you against welfare? Do you hate kids?
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Not unexpected. bodi tries rudeness to make me go away and you try being supercilious.
The main contention in this particular debate is that bodi is asking us to trust men to make good decisions. But here you demonstrate just how disingenuous you can be.
Care to tell me how you arrived at that conclusion? I doubt it.
 
soylentgreen said:
Not unexpected. bodi tries rudeness to make me go away and you try being supercilious.
The main contention in this particular debate is that bodi is asking us to trust men to make good decisions. But here both you and he demonstrate just how disingenuous you can be.
Care to tell me how you arrived at that conclusion? I doubt it.
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I believe you said I don't give a shit about anyone


Was that rudeness?


Have you always hated kids?
 
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