[W:1607] ***2022 General Election Thread***

[LostInSeattle]

Simplistic in a way that how most folks are now looking at the people in Washington D.C. running our government. They take what is said on TV and or the internet and run with it. It has to be true as I seen it on TV or read about it on the interent. Why not believe it, this is how both parties paint the other party. Are both right? Are both wrong or is it only one party is right and the other wrong? Simplicity in a way as to what is portrayed by both parties of the other.

I absolutely agree. Parties, many voters and most pundits talk in simplistic terms. But that doesn't make what they are talking about simple, just their understanding of it. So why perpetuate this situation with an even grosser simplification like "not a single honest one among them." It does a disservice to understanding and fixing the problem by locating all the fault with individuals. Sure, there are plenty of elected officials with one or more faults of being lazy or self-serving or corrupt or venal or blindly partisan or just plain stupid. But there are others - diligent, competent, well-meaning - who are doing the best they can in shitty circumstances.

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Not according to the CO 3rd District map. That district covers all of Western Colorado and a good portion of the southern half of the state all the way to the city of Pueblo, CO. It's mostly small, rural towns with lots of wide open spaces. So Boebert could end up winning her seat....again.

My fingers are crossed because most of what's being counted are mail-in votes. However, Boebert has recently moved ahead in the vote count. So I'm hoping this race ends up like the Warnock/Walker race and that it goes into a runoff election at worst.

I did not know Colorado has Goergia-style runoff elections. All the news I am hearing is there will likely be a recount, not a runoff.

 

[Demon]

I did not know Colorado has runoff elections. All the news I am hearing is there will likely be a recount, not a runoff.

It would be a recount.

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[Patriotic Voter]

It would be a recount.

What is the bar to force a recount in Colorado?

 

[Demon]

What is the bar to force a recount in Colorado?

I'm not sure.

 

[Perotista]

I absolutely agree. Parties, many voters and most pundits talk in simplistic terms. But that doesn't make what they are talking about simple, just their understanding of it. So why perpetuate this situation with an even grosser simplification like "not a single honest one among them." It does a disservice to understanding and fixing the problem by locating all the fault with individuals. Sure, there are plenty of elected officials with one or more faults of being lazy or self-serving or corrupt or venal or blindly partisan or just plain stupid. But there are others - diligent, competent, well-meaning - who are doing the best they can in shitty circumstances.

Perhaps it will take the leaders of both major parties to fix this. As long as they condone and usually lead in the verbal negative personal attacks or attacking the other party in simplistic terms as the most evil, it’s easy to believe especially if that is what you want to hear.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Perhaps it will take the leaders of both major parties to fix this. As long as they condone and usually lead in the verbal negative personal attacks or attacking the other party in simplistic terms as the most evil, it’s easy to believe especially if that is what you want to hear.

I am a huge believer in the theory that if all you do is attack your opponent, you have nothing good to say about yourself, especially on the same topics. When asked what their specific plans are to tackle certain issues, candidates spend the whole minute talking about what they want viewers to believe is wrong with their opponents instead of answer the questions.

 

[Kushinator]

Perhaps it will take the leaders of both major parties to fix this. As long as they condone and usually lead in the verbal negative personal attacks or attacking the other party in simplistic terms as the most evil, it’s easy to believe especially if that is what you want to hear.

After 20 years of Rush Limbaugh style AM radio, a heavy portion of the Republican base only wants to hear their politicians get nasty with Dems... it's what made Trump so popular. He wasn't afraid to talk shit, lie, get petty, etc.... Now it's par for the GQP course. Many Dem leaning independents are sick of turning the other cheek, and desire politicians that will fight back.

 

[LostInSeattle]

After 20 years of Rush Limbaugh style AM radio, a heavy portion of the Republican base only wants to hear their politicians get nasty with Dems... it's what made Trump so popular. He wasn't afraid to talk shit, lie, get petty, etc.... Now it's par for the GQP course.

Unfortunately, you're right. Trump is/was popular in part because he was perceived as not taking any shite from the opposition. Tough talk, brave talk - even if it is completely lies and bullshit - was admired.

Many Dem leaning independents are sick of turning the other cheek, and desire politicians that will fight back.

I get it. It's a tragic polarization of politics and loss of civility.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Unfortunately, you're right. Trump is/was popular in part because he was perceived as not taking any shite from the opposition. Tough talk, brave talk - even if it is completely lies and bullshit - was admired.

I get it. It's a tragic polarization of politics and loss of civility.

And both sides are reluctant to make a unilateral move to be better.

 

[Hamish Howl]

After 20 years of Rush Limbaugh style AM radio, a heavy portion of the Republican base only wants to hear their politicians get nasty with Dems... it's what made Trump so popular. He wasn't afraid to talk shit, lie, get petty, etc.... Now it's par for the GQP course. Many Dem leaning independents are sick of turning the other cheek, and desire politicians that will fight back.

This.

 

[highroller]

I think it was MSNBC last night that said something to the effect of: Make redistricting maps with non-partisan committees and let the people vote like the did in Michigan. Hear it's now Dem governor AND super-majorities in both the state house and senate??

Huge wins for Democrats. They're poised to retake Michigan Legislature - Bridge Michigan

Democrats sweep statewide races, flip a congressional seat and appear to have won control of the Michigan Legislature. They may have Proposal 3 and the fight for abortion rights to thank for driving voter turnout.

www.bridgemi.com

"LANSING – Democrats will control the governor's office and Michigan Legislature for the first time in four decades after dominating an election marked by strong turnout from abortion rights supporters. Gov. Gretchen Whitmer won a second term. And it appears she’ll have a friendly Legislature after Democrats claimed to win control of the Michigan House and Senate for the first time since 1984. Democrats flipped a congressional seat and maintained their edge on the Michigan Supreme Court. While vote counting continued Wednesday morning,
Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson and Attorney General Dana Nessel appeared on their way to second terms as well."

This is from 538 of what the breakout was before and after redistricting (forgot to copy the link, sorry)


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It’s not “super majorities” in the Michigan house and senate. It is slight majorities.

And if they go crazy, they’ll be out of their butts in two years because the maps are non-partisan to give neither party a strategic political advantage.

 

[upsideguy]

The vote totals shown above that map have Adam Frisch and Laurin Boebart almost 800 votes apart. We know some outstanding votes are for Boebart, so for now let's say Frisch needs at least 1,000 more votes.

I don't know. I calculated this all from this map this morning. Based on what USAToday reported as not counted, there were 4200 votes not yet counted for Boebert and 5700 not yet counted for Frisch. The first big batch of votes came in from Boebert friendly Otero county, which made sense. After that, Boebert has added votes but the uncounted vote count was moving. Pitkin County, which was hyper rich in Frisch votes went from 80% counted to 93% counted, but the vote totals did not change. It seems that the USAToday database is not accurate about what is still outstanding as by my calculations of this morning, there was not enough open vote to give Boebert this kind of lead.

Colorado U.S. House - District 3 Election Results | USA TODAY

See election results, a county-by-county map and more for the Colorado U.S. House election on Nov. 8, 2022.

www.usatoday.com

Frankly, what is left in open votes from Pitkin, Garfield and Pueblo, which all heavily favor Frisch, at this point seems insufficient to close the 1,200 vote deficit.

okay, you're giving me hope!

As per above..... the Boebert vote count (the nominator) has improved yet the uncounted vote (denominator) really didn't change. I thought I was working from good info, now I have my doubts.

 

[upsideguy]

It’s not “super majorities” in the Michigan house and senate. It is slight majorities.

And if they go crazy, they’ll be out of their butts in two years because the maps are non-partisan to give neither party a strategic political advantage.

Don't worry, they will be replacing 'crazy' with adults. Michigan made an intelligent move here.

 

[upsideguy]

What is the bar to force a recount in Colorado?

Recount laws in Colorado

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics

ballotpedia.org

From cite:

• Does state law require automatic recounts?
  • Yes, when a margin of victory in an election is less than or equal to 0.5% of the winner's vote.

 

[highroller]

Don't worry, they will be replacing 'crazy' with adults. Michigan made an intelligent move here.

I know. I campaigned for many of them, but the point is that we do not have one party rule any longer in Michigan. The game is no longer rigged by anyone.

 

[Chomsky]

Not according to the CO 3rd District map. That district covers all of Western Colorado and a good portion of the southern half of the state all the way to the city of Pueblo, CO. It's mostly small, rural towns with lots of wide open spaces. So, Boebert could end up winning her seat....again.

My fingers are crossed because most of what's being counted are mail-in votes. However, Boebert has recently moved ahead in the vote count. So, I'm hoping this race ends up like the Warnock/Walker race and that it goes into a run-off election at worst.

I've seen nothing seeing CO does run-offs. I am seeing they do recounts.

 

[Chomsky]

What is the bar to force a recount in Colorado?

I'm not sure.

And, neither do I know!

But, I'd bet my bottom dollar they're there if it remains this tight!

 

[Patriotic Voter]

I've seen nothing seeing CO does run-offs. I am seeing they do recounts.

That is correct. Only Georgia does runoff elections.

 

[beefheart]

538 says dems are likely to win AZ and NV senate, so GA doesn't matter. But it would be nice to win that too.

How Election Week 2022 Went Down

Live results and coverage of the 2022 Midterm elections, including the latest updates on the race for control of the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives, as well analysis on races for governor, secretary of state, attorney general and state legislature.

fivethirtyeight.com

 

[Perotista]

I am a huge believer in the theory that if all you do is attack your opponent, you have nothing good to say about yourself, especially on the same topics. When asked what their specific plans are to tackle certain issues, candidates spend the whole minute talking about what they want viewers to believe is wrong with their opponents instead of answer the questions.

Exactly. You learn nothing.

 

[Demon]

And, neither do I know!

But, I'd bet my bottom dollar they're there if it remains this tight!

After I answered, I think I heard 1/2 of 1%, but don't quote me on that.