[W:148] Affirmative Action promotes systemic racial discrimination.

[jaeger19]

I'm pounding your position into the ground lol.

Are there whites similarly disadvantaged economically? Should their entrance exam scores be adjusted?

No..you are avoiding the question because either you are ignorant or afraid to answer.
Again please answer.

 

[rahl]

No..you are avoiding the question because either you are ignorant or afraid to answer.

I have answered your question 3 times now, and the answer to that question is why your position is abject nonsense.

Again please answer.

I"ve answered. Are there whites similarly economically situated? Are their GPA's and entrance exams just as low?

 

[jaeger19]

I have answered your question 3 times now, and the answer to that question is why your position is abject nonsense.

I"ve answered. Are there whites similarly economically situated? Are their GPA's and entrance exams just as low?

No you failed to answer .
However you have dug the hole deep enough.

I will help you. Yes there are whites similarly economically situated and their gpas and entrance exams just as low.
And no they should not be weighted like black people.

 

[rahl]

No you failed to answer .

No, I have now answered 4 times.

However you have dug the hole deep enough.

Lol, I'm pounding you over the head with the shovel.

I will help you. Yes there are whites similarly economically situated and their gpas and entrance exams just as low.

Is it because schools and colleges are racist against whites? lol

And no they should not be weighted like black people.

Which shows your entire argument to be complete abject nonsense. Thank you for one of the best self ownages I have ever seen on this board.

 

[jaeger19]

No, I have now answered 4 times.

Lol, I'm pounding you over the head with the shovel.

Is it because schools and colleges are racist against whites? lol

Which shows your entire argument to be complete abject nonsense. Thank you for one of the best self ownages I have ever seen on this board.

Nope..my argument isn't nonsense.

You never asked me rahl WHY? Poor white people shouldn't have their scores adjusted while black people should.

 

[rahl]

Nope..my argument isn't nonsense.

Of course it is. You have 2 people equally economically situated. Both with low GPA's and entrance exam scores. Your argument is one of them is due to "systemic racism" and the other is not. It's laughably moronic.

You never asked me rahl WHY? Poor white people shouldn't have their scores adjusted while black people should.

The fact you don't think they should be, is why your argument is abject nonsense. Your reasoning doesn't make your argument any less moronic. If they are both economically the same, GPA scores the same, you can't blame the black guys metrics on "systemic racism" lol.

The self ownage continues and it's hilarious.

 

[jaeger19]

Of course it is. You have 2 people equally economically situated. Both with low GPA's and entrance exam scores. Your argument is one of them is due to "systemic racism" and the other is not. It's laughably moronic.

The fact you don't think they should be, is why your argument is abject nonsense. Your reasoning doesn't make your argument any less moronic. If they are both economically the same, GPA scores the same, you can't blame the black guys metrics on "systemic racism" lol.

The self ownage continues and it's hilarious.

No you ridiculous dude..
Because the difference is..white people who were poor were poor due to lack of ability..choices or the history of their family.

Meanwhile black people had SEGREGATION..I.E. GOVERNMENT THAT FORCED THEIR GRANDPA TO LIVE IN A POOR NEIGHBORHOOD AND FORCED THEIR DAD TO GO TO A POOR SCHOOL. AND BECAUSE OF THAT IT MEANT THAT THEY ENDED UP IN THE SAME POOR SCHOOL.

Ever hear of the gi bill? The law that lifted millions of poor white servicemen to the middle class through education? And thus their children and children's children had a better chance at education?

BECAUSE OF GOVERNMENT SEGREGATION BLACK SERVICEMEN OFTEN COULDNT USE THEIR BENEFITS BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT GO TO WHITE COLLEGES..

What about farm programs from the USDA that helped poor white farmers get loans for equipment and land and seed and help lift them into the middle and upper class.
DENIED TO BLACK FARMERS.

What about banks? And the ability to get loans?
AS RECENTLY AS 2004 TO 2008 BANKS WERE CAUGHT HABIBG HIGHER FEES AND RATES FOR BLACK PEOPLE AND HISPANICS.

sorry Rahl ..you are owned...unless you are able to provide evidence that none of the above EVER HAPPENED.

Now go off and argue that the earth is flat or that the Holocaust never happened...or Covid is a hoax. A deniers got to deny.

 

[rahl]

No you ridiculous dude..
Because the difference is..white people who were poor were poor due to lack of ability..choices or the history of their family.

This is called special pleading

Meanwhile black people had SEGREGATION..I.E. GOVERNMENT THAT FORCED THEIR GRANDPA TO LIVE IN A POOR NEIGHBORHOOD AND FORCED THEIR DAD TO GO TO A POOR SCHOOL. AND BECAUSE OF THAT IT MEANT THAT THEY ENDED UP IN THE SAME POOR SCHOOL.

Some did, in some states. Sure.

Ever hear of the gi bill? The law that lifted millions of poor white servicemen to the middle class through education? And thus their children and children's children had a better chance at education?

BECAUSE OF GOVERNMENT SEGREGATION BLACK SERVICEMEN OFTEN COULDNT USE THEIR BENEFITS BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT GO TO WHITE COLLEGES..

Some blacks, in some states.

What about farm programs from the USDA that helped poor white farmers get loans for equipment and land and seed and help lift them into the middle and upper class.
DENIED TO BLACK FARMERS.

What about banks? And the ability to get loans?
AS RECENTLY AS 2004 TO 2008 BANKS WERE CAUGHT HABIBG HIGHER FEES AND RATES FOR BLACK PEOPLE AND HISPANICS.

sorry Rahl ..you are owned...unless you are able to provide evidence that none of the above EVER HAPPENED.

I don't need to. I can simply point out again that your baseless opinions do not become fact because you keep repeating them. You've conceded that economic status is a factor in GPA, entrance exam scores. Many whites are in the same or worse situation than blacks. Your argument falls to pieces here, so you are forced into special pleading. It's hilarious.

Now go off and argue that the earth is flat or that the Holocaust never happened...or Covid is a hoax. A deniers got to deny.

It's not my fault you made a baseless claim, can't support it, and gave one of the best displays of self ownage the forum has seen in many years lol.

 

[jaeger19]

This is called special pleading

Some did, in some states. Sure.

Some blacks, in some states.

I don't need to. I can simply point out again that your baseless opinions do not become fact because you keep repeating them. You've conceded that economic status is a factor in GPA, entrance exam scores. Many whites are in the same or worse situation than blacks. Your argument falls to pieces here, so you are forced into special pleading. It's hilarious.

It's not my fault you made a baseless claim, can't support it, and gave one of the best displays of self ownage the forum has seen in many years lol.

FAIL.
Just prove SEGREGATION DIDNT HAPPEN!!

 

[Individual]

As long as the tests weren't racially or economically biased.
The current tests are.

What are some examples of the racially and economically biased questions?
If you can claim the current tests are, you should give me/us a couple examples of each type as I've not heard that before.

 

[jaeger19]

What are some examples of the racially and economically biased questions?
If you can claim the current tests are, you should give me/us a couple examples of each type as I've not heard that before.

Here is some research.

New Evidence of Racial Bias on SAT

A new study may revive arguments that the average test scores of black students trail those of white students not just because of economic disadvantages, but because some parts of the test result in differential scores by race for students of equal academic prowess.The finding -- already being...

www.insidehighered.com

In a layman's terms when designing the test..the sat gives out test questions to a study group and selects those questions to put into the actual test.

What the researchers found..was that some questions..whites were more like to get right than blacks.
But they found that in some questions..BLACKS were more likely to get them right than whites.
Indicating for whatever or however thereason..the questions had some racial / cultural bias.

However..because of the algorithm used to select the questions..
Those questions that whites were more likely to get right were added to the test..while those questions that were more likely for blacks to get right were dropped.

 

[LessBiased?]

Bottom line is that if a group doesn't place enough value on education and provide family support for it, that group will underperform. And if the group has low expectations for what they can achieve, as when they view themselves as oppressed victims, that expectation will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Anyone can break out of this trap if they change their outlook, and it's the job of parents to do that for the sake of their children.

 

[LessBiased?]

Have y'all ever noticed that, outside of entertainment and sports, successful black people tend to adopt a manner of speaking, interests, habits, values, and family patterns similar to successful white people?

 

[jaeger19]

Bottom line is that if a group doesn't place enough value on education and provide family support for it, that group will underperform. And if the group has low expectations for what they can achieve, as when they view themselves as oppressed victims, that expectation will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Anyone can break out of this trap if they change their outlook, and it's the job of parents to do that for the sake of their children.

All true.
And if a group was systematically prevented by local and state governments from accessing that education..despite their desire..this will have a negative effect on their education and the education of their children and grandchildren.
Outlook be damned.

 

[jaeger19]

Have y'all ever noticed that, outside of entertainment and sports, successful black people tend to adopt a manner of speaking, interests, habits, values, and family patterns similar to successful white people?

How do you know it's not white people adopting the habits of successful black people?.

 

[Individual]

Here is some research.

New Evidence of Racial Bias on SAT

A new study may revive arguments that the average test scores of black students trail those of white students not just because of economic disadvantages, but because some parts of the test result in differential scores by race for students of equal academic prowess.The finding -- already being...

www.insidehighered.com

In a layman's terms when designing the test..the sat gives out test questions to a study group and selects those questions to put into the actual test.

What the researchers found..was that some questions..whites were more like to get right than blacks.
But they found that in some questions..BLACKS were more likely to get them right than whites.
Indicating for whatever or however thereason..the questions had some racial / cultural bias.

However..because of the algorithm used to select the questions..
Those questions that whites were more likely to get right were added to the test..while those questions that were more likely for blacks to get right were dropped.

Well that link didn't begin to answer my question, basically only the long version of your claim.
I'd like to see some questions which are being claimed to favor whites and biased against blacks.
But the simple solution there, would be for each University to create tests of their own with questions that would give an indication of how a prospective student would fit within their style of teaching.

 

[jaeger19]

Well that link didn't begin to answer my question, basically only the long version of your claim.
I'd like to see some questions which are being claimed to favor whites and biased against blacks.
But the simple solution there, would be for each University to create tests of their own with questions that would give an indication of how a prospective student would fit within their style of teaching.

In other words drop the sat and act from being used for college admissions.

 

[Individual]

In other words drop the sat and act from being used for college admissions.

No problem with that, entrance tests should assure those who gain entry are most capable keeping pace with the other students in their classes. And by not knowing which individuals tests are being selected for entrance, race, gender, and other biases are eliminated.

 

[jaeger19]

No problem with that, entrance tests should assure those who gain entry are most capable keeping pace with the other students in their classes. And by not knowing which individuals tests are being selected for entrance, race, gender, and other biases are eliminated.

Now if we could just figure out the logistics of each school giving 10000 plus prospective students their own specific entrance exam...

 

[LessBiased?]

How do you know it's not white people adopting the habits of successful black people?.

I’m not blind …

 

[Individual]

Now if we could just figure out the logistics of each school giving 10000 plus prospective students their own specific entrance exam...

How did a specific entrance exam for each student come about?

 

[jaeger19]

How did a specific entrance exam for each student come about?

No.. each school would have to create it's own specific exam and then give it out to 10000 plus of its prospective applicants.

Which would also mean that since most students have to apy to 5 schools to get in..
That means each student would have to take on average 5 of these specific tests. .

 

[jaeger19]

I’m not blind …

Oh but you are..but you are...

 

[Individual]

No.. each school would have to create it's own specific exam and then give it out to 10000 plus of its prospective applicants.

Which would also mean that since most students have to apy to 5 schools to get in..
That means each student would have to take on average 5 of these specific tests. .

Similar schools could use similar or even the same tests. Maybe an Ivy league school entrance exam score would be an advantage at some smaller schools

 

[jaeger19]

Similar schools could use similar or even the same tests. Maybe an Ivy league school entrance exam score would be an advantage at some smaller schools

Well now you are saying similar schools.. how do you quantify as similar.
First you wanted schools to have tests specific to themselves..now the test is for similar schools??
Why would you use an Ivy league exam at a small local college?