[W:148] Affirmative Action promotes systemic racial discrimination.

[jaeger19]

doesn't matter-you have to judge the candidates on what they have when they apply.

To an extent? Yes. How else do you arrive at 75 spots. But you also have to make judgements on the things a gpa alone won't tell you.
Like a candidate that works in a nursing home as a cna..which means he got his hands literally dirty. That has no problem working with geriatrics..and probably has seen the tougher side of being a provider..people in tough situations dying with as much dignity as the healthcare system allows.
Vs another candidate with a higher gpa.GPA.. whose only interest in medicine is to be a sportsmedicine doctor to athletes.
Vs another candidate who volunteered in a mental health ward that wants to be in psychiatry..
You have candidates 76 to 3000 that will all be competent providers..
Do you want to graduate a class of 75 white males that a plan to be orthopedic surgeons?

 

[jaeger19]

You support group rights-I do not

Nope.you are just making crap up again
" group rights.. wtf are you talking about. ??
Is this the new tactic? Losing your debate so just make up positions for me?

 

[TurtleDude]

To an extent? Yes. How else do you arrive at 75 spots. But you also have to make judgements on the things a gpa alone won't tell you.
Like a candidate that works in a nursing home as a cna..which means he got his hands literally dirty. That has no problem working with geriatrics..and probably has seen the tougher side of being a provider..people in tough situations dying with as much dignity as the healthcare system allows.
Vs another candidate with a higher gpa.GPA.. whose only interest in medicine is to be a sportsmedicine doctor to athletes.
Vs another candidate who volunteered in a mental health ward that wants to be in psychiatry..
You have candidates 76 to 3000 that will all be competent providers..
Do you want to graduate a class of 75 white males that a plan to be orthopedic surgeons?

the issue is not extra curricular. the issue is not interviews. the issue is not other crap. the issue is BLACKS WITH LOWER SCORES-getting in ahead of whites and Asians with higher scores. Period

 

[TurtleDude]

Nope.you are just making crap up again
" group rights.. wtf are you talking about. ??
Is this the new tactic? Losing your debate so just make up positions for me?

you spend hours droning on about the persecution blacks have to justify them having lower standards for admission. that is all about group rights. you assign an aura of "oppression" to everyone in that group whether they are Obama's daughter or the offspring of some single mother whose sperm donor is doing 15 to life in a state prison

 

[trixare4kids]

Fascinating..complete bs..but fascinating.

Go ahead and disprove what he wrote.

I dare you...

 

[jaeger19]

if there is one seat available and several applicants-the only qualified individual is the one with the best scores. I don't care about all your diversionary bullshit. Healthcare, economics, neighborhoods. all that matters is this: It is wrong to tell a white kid or Asian kid with top scores that he or she is being denied entrance into the university they want to attend because some black kid with lower scores is getting the slot. you are pretending that we don't have a diverse society if we don't put under qualified blacks into the very best universities. In reality, society is fine if black kids with 3.0 GPAs and 25 ACTs go to universities where that is average-rather than putting them into Harvard ahead of white and Asian kids with 3.8 and 34 ACTs. and society is plenty diverse if Harvard Law doesn't accept blacks from say Cornell with 3.3 GPAs and 90the percentile LSAT scores when it is also turning down white and Asian Cornell grads with 3.7 GPAs and 97th percentile LSAT scores

Dude..there is more than one seat available
Cripes you set aside seats for legacies..or in the case of some schools..for students that graduated as undergraduates pre med or pre law.
That's right..some schools have guaranteed admission if you can maintain a certain GPA in their undergraduate program.
Even though it pushes out students with higher gpas and test scores from other schools.

 

[trixare4kids]

the issue is not extra curricular. the issue is not interviews. the issue is not other crap. the issue is BLACKS WITH LOWER SCORES-getting in ahead of whites and Asians with higher scores. Period

Could you make it anymore black and white?

Ducking because I just know some will find offense with the above question.

 

[trixare4kids]

Dude..there is more than one seat available
Cripes you set aside seats for legacies..or in the case of some schools..for students that graduated as undergraduates pre med or pre law.
That's right..some schools have guaranteed admission if you can maintain a certain GPA in their undergraduate program.
Even though it pushes out students with higher gpas and test scores from other schools.

Try again.
You haven't addressed or refuted what the above poster wrote.

 

[jaeger19]

you spend hours droning on about the persecution blacks have to justify them having lower standards for admission. that is all about group rights. you assign an aura of "oppression" to everyone in that group whether they are Obama's daughter or the offspring of some single mother whose sperm donor is doing 15 to life in a state prison

No it has nothing to do with " group rights"
Cripes stop floundering around making crap up.
It's about whether gpa and test scores start with a level playing field. They don't.
Research and history are proof of that.

 

[TurtleDude]

Try again.
You haven't addressed, refuted what the above poster wrote.

He keeps pretending that successful black applicants, with crappy test scores and GPAs invariable have better interviews, work records, military service, athletics, etc over the whites with much higher scores who were passed over.

His posts cannot deal with the fact that the issue is RACE. pure and simple. One race is permitted much lower objective scores needed to gain acceptance at top universities

 

[TurtleDude]

No it has nothing to do with " group rights"
Cripes stop floundering around making crap up.
It's about whether gpa and test scores start with a level playing field. They don't.
Research and history are proof of that.

doesn't matter. it is racial discrimination. you assume blacks have handicaps and whites/Asians do not-and that is bullshit

 

[jaeger19]

Try again.
You haven't addressed or refuted what the above poster wrote.

Of course I did. Cripes he just made up bullcrap about there being " just one spot"
Name me the medical schools that only allow ONE applicant.
And these schools decide..as private entities who they admit. And they choose diversity because it's valuable if you want to serve a diverse community.
He knows I am right and he hates that fact.

 

[trixare4kids]

doesn't matter. it is racial discrimination. you assume blacks have handicaps and whites/Asians do not-and that is bullshit

Sad. Some just don't have the self-introspection to realize that they are complicit with racial discrimination.

 

[trixare4kids]

Of course I did. Cripes he just made up bullcrap about there being " just one spot"
Name me the medical schools that only allow ONE applicant.
And these schools decide..as private entities who they admit. And they choose diversity because it's valuable if you want to serve a diverse community.
He knows I am right and he hates that fact.

You haven't proved him wrong. You appear to be goal post shifting in the above argument while maintaining racial identity should trump those who despite their race are better qualified for admittance.
Keep trying. I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but so far, I am not convinced that you've proved anything.

 

[jaeger19]

He keeps pretending that successful black applicants, with crappy test scores and GPAs invariable have better interviews, work records, military service, athletics, etc over the whites with much higher scores who were passed over.

His posts cannot deal with the fact that the issue is RACE. pure and simple. One race is permitted much lower objective scores needed to gain acceptance at top universities

Umm. You sir keep claiming that a the blacks are underqualified and yet surprise surprise they graduated from Harvard at 97.4 % vs 97.9% who were white.
Dude..it is about race..duh. who said it wasn't. Uou don't want to deal with the facts about the historic and current disadvantages that minorities face nor the fact that certain fields are under represented when it comes to minorities and that creates issues with serving a diverse society.

 

[rahl]

Of course I am talking grandpa during segregation.

What about him?

How did it economically effect him.?

How many whit s are as or worse off economically? Are they disadvantaged? Should their entrance exam scores be adjusted as well?

 

[jaeger19]

Sad. Some just don't have the self-introspection to realize that they are complicit with racial discrimination.

I have no problem with it. As it's practiced with aa. None whatsoever..which I have explained ad nauseum. The benefits far outweigh the negatives of having a rich kid having to go to his second choice school.

 

[jaeger19]

What about him?

How many whit s are as or worse off economically? Are they disadvantaged? Should their entrance exam scores be adjusted as well?

Well what are the ramifications economically of having grandpa segregated?

 

[TurtleDude]

Umm. You sir keep claiming that a the blacks are underqualified and yet surprise surprise they graduated from Harvard at 97.4 % vs 97.9% who were white.
Dude..it is about race..duh. who said it wasn't. Uou don't want to deal with the facts about the historic and current disadvantages that minorities face nor the fact that certain fields are under represented when it comes to minorities and that creates issues with serving a diverse society.

why do you talk about graduation rates when the issue is who is accepted?

 

[TurtleDude]

Well what are the ramifications economically of having grandpa segregated?

irrelevant. if your scores are worse, you are not entitled to gain admission ahead of a better qualified applicant because of your race

 

[jaeger19]

You haven't proved him wrong. You appear to be goal post shifting in the above argument while maintaining racial identity should trump those who despite their race are better qualified for admittance.
Keep trying. I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but so far, I am not convinced that you've proved anything.

Sure i did. Cripes he is coming up with bullcrap like group rights and one sot medical/law schools. .
You say yhat they are better qualified. At the level of candidates we are talking..GPA and test scores are not valid predictors of qualified.

 

[jaeger19]

why do you talk about graduation rates when the issue is who is accepted?

Because you keep stating that those accepted with " lower scores" are unqualified when clearly they are.

 

[Individual]

Racial equality, without regard of any other factor, would result in every 6th person would be Hispanic, every 8th person would be Black, and every 17th person would be Asian.
Personally I don't think such would make any sense at all. IMO, the best qualified should be the ONLY factor in selecting people to perform a function, become enrolled in a college, to be appointed to a political position, get a bank loan, and perhaps even some other things. When I was young schools divided students based on their abilities, slow learners and faster learners were not mixed, unless/until they improved or showed an inability to keep up, which would change the group they entered in the following year in the dame or a higher grade. My senior year in High School, I had one classmate who turn 21 prior to graduation, but he was determined to get a diploma, Have schools changed that much in the last 70 years?
I learned enough just from High School to have a productive successful life before I could afford to go to college, and learned much more on my own than what I learned in college. Education and learning is a lifetime occupation, and if that hasn't been learned at a young age, the more likely one is to experience diminishing returns as one ages.

 

[jaeger19]

irrelevant. if your scores are worse, you are not entitled to gain admission ahead of a better qualified applicant because of your race

Depends on if the school values having the best and most diverse graduates. If it doesn't care if it graduates 100 white males who all plan to be orthopedic surgeons..great.
You might pissed if you can't find a gpa to handle handle your medical care.

 

[TurtleDude]

Depends on if the school values having the best and most diverse graduates. If it doesn't care if it graduates 100 white males who all plan to be orthopedic surgeons..great.
You might pissed if you can't find a gpa to handle handle your medical care.

more goal post moving. it is racial discrimination to admit blacks over better qualified whites/Asians due to race