[W:148] Affirmative Action promotes systemic racial discrimination.

[Irredentist]

its not as bad when other tax payers are forced to foot the bill.

It's not as bad for the children, but it's still a very difficult task for a single parent, even with welfare support.

 

[TurtleDude]

It's not as bad for the children, but it's still a very difficult task for a single parent, even with welfare support.

Why do so many poor have so many children?

 

[Irredentist]

Why do so many poor have so many children?

You'd have to ask them.

 

[LessBiased?]

I guess it all depends on whether you are genuinely interested in improving the adult outcomes of children born to single mothers, or whether you wish to punish those children for the poor decisions of their parents. Because only one of those is actually a helpful response.

There will always be parents who make poor decisions, and there is nothing we can do to prevent this. We can however act to mitigate the damage done to the children, who are at no fault for decisions made by their parents.

I'm interested in improving outcomes by fixing the problem at the root, which is women and men making choices which result in single parent homes (unwed mothers). These poor choices are obviously most acute in black communities. If black people make better choices on par with whites and Asians, the problem will be mostly gone in about a generation. If instead, they perpetuate these poor choices, the problem will never go away, and it's not the responsibility of the rest of society to try to indefinitely compensate for those poor choices.

I'll be blunt: black people need to spend less time complaining about discrimination and acting like victims, and instead make better choices and do the work needed to be successful. Lots of black people are doing that, and I applaud and celebrate it. But too many black people aren't doing it, and not only are they harming themselves, but they're also making black people look bad in general, which does a real disservice to the black people who have their act together and are wrongly stigmatized because they're black. I have previously and currently employ black people. The ones who lacked motivation and/or acted like victims underperformed. The ones who were confident and worked hard were successful.

 

[TurtleDude]

You'd have to ask them.

do you think there gets a point where others have the moral right to tell those who breed and expect others to be taxed for that act, to say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH?

 

[TurtleDude]

I'm interested in improving outcomes by fixing the problem at the root, which is women and men making choices which result in single parent homes (unwed mothers). These poor choices are obviously most acute in black communities. If black people make better choices on par with whites and Asians, the problem will be mostly gone in about a generation. If instead, they perpetuate these poor choices, the problem will never go away, and it's not the responsibility of the rest of society to try to indefinitely compensate for those poor choices.

I'll be blunt: black people need to spend less time complaining about discrimination and acting like victims, and instead make better choices and do the work needed to be successful. Lots of black people are doing that, and I applaud and celebrate it. But too many black people aren't doing it, and not only are they harming themselves, but they're also making black people look bad in general, which does a real disservice to the black people who have their act together and are wrongly stigmatized because they're black. I have previously and currently employ black people. The ones who lacked motivation and/or acted like victims underperformed. The ones who were confident and worked hard were successful.

well said but lots of those who play for the black vote, find that they get more votes by excusing things with claims of racism than telling those who are engaged in deleterious social behavior to stop those actions

 

[Irredentist]

I'm interested in improving outcomes by fixing the problem at the root, which is women and men making choices which result in single parent homes (unwed mothers). These poor choices are obviously most acute in black communities. If black people make better choices on par with whites and Asians, the problem will be mostly gone in about a generation. If instead, they perpetuate these poor choices, the problem will never go away, and it's not the responsibility of the rest of society to try to indefinitely compensate for those poor choices.

I'll be blunt: black people need to spend less time complaining about discrimination and acting like victims, and instead make better choices and do the work needed to be successful. Lots of black people are doing that, and I applaud and celebrate it. But too many black people aren't doing it, and not only are they harming themselves, but they're also making black people look bad in general, which does a real disservice to the black people who have their act together and are wrongly stigmatized because they're black. I have previously and currently employ black people. The ones who lacked motivation and/or acted like victims underperformed. The ones who were confident and worked hard were successful.

To be honest, you don't seem particularly interested in addressing the problem at all. Instead you want to tell black people "make better choices!" But that isn't a very useful response. A major reason that people make poor choices as adults is because they lacked good models as children. Children born into poverty are not given a blueprint for success, and so they perpetuate the cycle. If you wish to end that cycle of poverty, then you must offer those children a better model for future success. But you seem either unprepared or unwilling to do this.

 

[TurtleDude]

To be honest, you don't seem particularly interested in addressing the problem at all. Instead you want to tell black people "make better choices!" But that isn't a very useful response. A major reason that people make poor choices as adults is because they lacked good models as children. Children born into poverty are not given a blueprint for success, and so they perpetuate the cycle. If you wish to end that cycle of poverty, then you must offer those children a better model for future success. But you seem either unprepared or unwilling to do this.

well why should he have to do anything about socially deleterious actions of others? the people who should be doing something are the ones making the bad choices and those who enable such actions

 

[Irredentist]

well why should he have to do anything about socially deleterious actions of others? the people who should be doing something are the ones making the bad choices and those who enable such actions

That depends, do you actually want to solve the problem, or do you want to yell at the problem and hope it goes away on its own?

 

[TurtleDude]

That depends, do you actually want to solve the problem, or do you want to yell at the problem and hope it goes away on its own?

I would drastically cut back on programs that enable such activity.

 

[AGENT J]

your posts are a good argument against affirmative action. You constantly lie while ignoring obvious facts.

by all means , please quote these factual lies you speak of on this topic, should be easy since the claim is i do it constantly, these lies should be available in quite an abundance to quote . ..
oh wait, you cant because its another lie oooooooops your post failed and just got the shit kicked out of it AGAIN
this is so awesome!

another day goes by and still no evidence to back this retarded lie up . . . .
I love it! LMAO

 

[TurtleDude]

another day goes by and still no evidence to back this retarded lie up . . . .
I love it! LMAO

translation-anything you don't like, you pretend doesn't exist. It's childish evasion on your part

 

[Irredentist]

I would drastically cut back on programs that enable such activity.

Welfare programs do not enable single parenthood, they merely alleviate somewhat the hardship of single parents and their children.

 

[LessBiased?]

To be honest, you don't seem particularly interested in addressing the problem at all. Instead you want to tell black people "make better choices!" But that isn't a very useful response. A major reason that people make poor choices as adults is because they lacked good models as children. Children born into poverty are not given a blueprint for success, and so they perpetuate the cycle. If you wish to end that cycle of poverty, then you must offer those children a better model for future success. But you seem either unprepared or unwilling to do this.

I don't think the problem can be fixed much by helping single parent families through money and jumping ahead in line. People actually need to become more capable.

You have to break the cycle by black people making better choices regarding pregnancy. Two parents are much better than one. Black people can do that, and they need to do that.

As I said, unwed mothers aren't the only problem, and racism is real, but we shouldn't overstate the degree of discrimination, and we shouldn't implement well-intentioned remedies which do harm and don't solve the problem at its root. There's a place for AA, but it needs to be done carefully, based on a realistic non-politicized view of the situation.

 

[AGENT J]

translation-anything you don't like, you pretend doesn't exist. It's childish evasion on your part

hey look . . ANOTHER sweet delicious dodge and lie
further proving me right yet AGAIN LMAO
so much fun owning your failed retarded lies, lets do it again

your posts are a good argument against affirmative action. You constantly lie while ignoring obvious facts.

still waiting, back up your claims with factual proof, thanks

 

[TurtleDude]

Welfare programs do not enable single parenthood, they merely alleviate somewhat the hardship of single parents and their children.

do you think someone has a right to produce children that others are forced to pay for?

 

[Maidenrules29]

Naw.. the argument is that white people want to continue to have the priviledge
In the game they have rigged.
White people decide who is qualified. They wrote the tests based on their culture and education. They decide where the money goes toward education..they decide the rules. And they have rigged the game for more than 200 years.
It's just fact.
And spare me the " the best grades and effort bullcrap" I went to the privileged schools too. I saw white rich kids that got in because of daddy and mommy's money and influence.
Heck..I watched it happen on the admissions committee. You would have a kid that was marginal at best and strings would be pulled because of daddy or mommy's influence.
And it wasn't minorities benefitting and frankly the strings pulled for wealthy kids was a lot more than any charity given to minorities.
It's funny that you say life's not fair...THEN WHY ARE YOU CRYING BECAUSE A FEW MINORITIES GET A BUMP OVER A WHITE STUDENT??
think about it..you say LIFES NOT FAIR..
but you really mean is that it should benefit you.

Please show us how the SAT is based on "white" culture and education.

 

[TurtleDude]

hey look . . ANOTHER sweet delicious dodge and lie
further proving me right yet AGAIN LMAO
so much fun owning your failed retarded lies, lets do it again



still waiting, back up your claims with factual proof, thanks

stop the silly lying. for months you denied that affirmative action programs resulted in blacks with inferior scores (SAT, ACT, LSAT, GMAT and GPAs) getting into elite institutions ahead of whites and and Asians with better scores. you ignored dozens of articles proving that very fact

 

[TurtleDude]

Please show us how the SAT is based on "white" culture and education.

Oh come on. 4x4=2x8 is clearly CULTURALLY BIASED!

 

[AGENT J]

stop the silly lying. for months you denied that affirmative action programs resulted in blacks with inferior scores (SAT, ACT, LSAT, GMAT and GPAs) getting into elite institutions ahead of whites and and Asians with better scores. you ignored dozens of articles proving that very fact

more triggered dodging, lying, and ZERO proof of your failed, retarded and exposed claims that you cant back up LMAO
so much fun, lets do it yet AGAIN

your posts are a good argument against affirmative action. You constantly lie while ignoring obvious facts.

Please factually prove this statement above, thanks!

who bets another triggered meltdown post is made with ZERO proof and quotes factually proving the lies I've been kicking the shit out of over and over again
I love when people make dishonest posts i get to destroy over and over!

 

[TurtleDude]

more triggered dodging, lying, and ZERO proof of your failed, retarded and exposed claims that you cant back up LMAO
so much fun, lets do it yet AGAIN



Please factually prove this statement above, thanks!

who bets another triggered meltdown post is made with ZERO proof and quotes factually proving the lies I've been kicking the shit out of over and over again
I love when people make dishonest posts i get to destroy over and over!

wow, another rinse and repeat childish response.

Let's see if Agent J can answer this question

DO PROGRAMS that are commonly known as AFFIRMATIVE ACTION-result in BLACKS WITH MUCH LOWER TEST SCORES-being admitted into elite institutions ahead of WHITES with higher scores?

 

[AGENT J]

wow, another rinse and repeat childish response.

Let's see if Agent J can answer this question

DO PROGRAMS that are commonly known as AFFIRMATIVE ACTION-result in BLACKS WITH MUCH LOWER TEST SCORES-being admitted into elite institutions ahead of WHITES with higher scores?

BOOM! called it perfect again, swing and a miss . . .just another unhinged triggered, meltdown, dodge, lie retarded, void of facts post
i wonder how many times his post will keep proving me right? LMAO
if posters just make honest posts, those lies wouldn't get the shit kicked out of them so bad and so easily
we are waiting, please prove your exposed lie below to be facts . . ..

your posts are a good argument against affirmative action. You constantly lie while ignoring obvious facts.

who thinks my request won't be run and dodged from again? no me ill be proved right yet again

 

[TurtleDude]

BOOM! called it perfect again, swing and a miss . . .just another unhinged triggered, meltdown, dodge, lie retarded, void of facts post
i wonder how many times his post will keep proving me right? LMAO
if posters just make honest posts, those lies wouldn't get the shit kicked out of them so bad and so easily
we are waiting, please prove your exposed lie below to be facts . . ..



who thinks my request won't be run and dodged from again? no me ill be proved right yet again

there you have it-Agent J cannot even admit the underlying issue with affirmative action

 

[AGENT J]

there you have it-Agent J cannot even admit the underlying issue with affirmative action

and the dodge train keeps rolling .. choooo chooooooo LMAO
i love beating the shit out his posted lies
when you can please back up your cliam below, thanks!

your posts are a good argument against affirmative action. You constantly lie while ignoring obvious facts.

 

[TurtleDude]

and the dodge train keeps rolling .. choooo chooooooo LMAO
i love beating the shit out his posted lies
when you can please back up your cliam below, thanks!

your refusal to admit the obvious destroys your silly arguments