[W:148] Affirmative Action promotes systemic racial discrimination.

[AGENT J]

Actually someone who reads the thread will know AGENT J is not interested in civil debate and is not being truthful.

please quote what i said was factually untruthful and prove it, if you cant . . . seems you are posting lies . . thats not too civil is it

His goal here is to shut down this debate because he knows he cannot defend his dubious opinions and claims.

i havent given any opinions, i stated facts.
its true that nobody has proven your thread title or your 5 claims to be facts.
if you disagree prove otherwise, thanks

 

[RealityChecker]

please quote what i said was factually untruthful and prove it, if you cant . . . seems you are posting lies . . thats not too civil is it

RealityChecker said:
When you have different standards for applicants for a job or for acceptance to an elite university that is in part based on gender and/or race/ethnicity you are discriminating against people based on race and gender. That is racist and/or sexist.

"By definition thats factually NOT AA . . .thanks for proving me right and yourself wrong AGAIN" AGENT J

That claim remains false. Also your legal definition of AA is not the legal definition of AA, but simply one definition of AA. People who understand what AA policies do in the real world know those policies create different standards based in part on the applicant's race, ethnicity, and/or gender identity. You are pretending those AA policies in practice are not AA simply because they do not (in your opinion) fit a definition of AA. The SCOTUS has ruled that AA policies can use race and ethnicity and judge applicants differently based on those metrics.

 

[AGENT J]

"By definition thats factually NOT AA . . .thanks for proving me right and yourself wrong AGAIN" AGENT J

That claim remains false. Also your legal definition of AA is not the legal definition of AA, but simply one definition of AA. People who understand what AA policies do in the real world know those policies create different standards based in part on the applicant's race, ethnicity, and/or gender identity. You are pretending those AA policies in practice are not AA simply because they do not (in your opinion) fit a definition of AA. The SCOTUS has ruled that AA policies can use race and ethnicity and judge applicants differently based on those metrics.

LMAO awesome!!!!! thanks for proving me right and yourself factually wrong again.

1.) That claim is not factually false, your feelings and opinions about it don't matter to anything being discussed when i asked for facts. Facts don't care about your feelings and opinions. So that's one lie you just posted
2.) I havent given you "my" definition or my "opinion" of AA, i posted its legal definition from a law site, that has nothing to do with me or my opinion. Another lie of your destroyed. so thats two lies you just posted.
Wow that was easy. You should stop posting lies, its not civil

Thanks for playing and proving me right again!
Your posted lies were destroyed and the fact remains 1000+ posts and you nor anybody else can post anything that makes your thread title and the 5 claims in your op fact.

Please let us know when this fact changes, thanks!

 

[TurtleDude]

Weird what do your feelings and opinions about what YOU think matters have to do with my post and those 6 claims i pointed out that that cant be proved to be fact?
oh thats right . . . .. . NOTHING LMAO . . . . your post fails again.

Let me know when you are anybody can make any of those 6 things facts, thanks for playing!

blah blah blah-I already posted proof, you pretend it doesn't exist and you are unable to even admit that affirmative action schemes have resulted in blacks with much lower scores getting into top schools ahead of whites and Asians. everyone sees you running from that point

 

[calamity]

blah blah blah-I already posted proof, you pretend it doesn't exist and you are unable to even admit that affirmative action schemes have resulted in blacks with much lower scores getting into top schools ahead of whites and Asians. everyone sees you running from that point

Ah yes. Must include "Asians" to cover for the real fear. Whites not getting their way for once in their lives.

 

[AGENT J]

blah blah blah-I already posted proof, you pretend it doesn't exist and you are unable to even admit that affirmative action schemes have resulted in blacks with much lower scores getting into top schools ahead of whites and Asians. everyone sees you running from that point

LMAO thats what I thought more lies and another failed, dishonest deflection and moronic starwman.
Nobody honest educated and objective cares about your bigoted feelings that mean nothing to the facts. The fact remains you nor ANYBODY else can post one single thing to prove the thread title or those 5 claims to be facts, we've proved that over and over again while what? . . . . 2, 3 posters try to deflect and make desperate strawmen claims but nobody answers what we actually ask..

If you disagree do it in your next post, teach us a lesson . . . . .you won't, cause you cant . . it will be more of the same nonsensical failed triggered meltdowns trying to convince us to talk about your feelings and what you want . . but just like facts . . . we don't care about your feelings.

 

[TurtleDude]

LMAO thats what I thought more lies and another failed, dishonest deflection and moronic starwman.
Nobody honest educated and objective cares about your bigoted feelings that mean nothing to the facts. The fact remains you nor ANYBODY else can post one single thing to prove the thread title or those 5 claims to be facts, we've proved that over and over again while what? . . . . 2, 3 posters try to deflect and make desperate strawmen claims but nobody answers what we actually ask..

If you disagree do it in your next post, teach us a lesson . . . . .you won't, cause you cant . . it will be more of the same nonsensical failed triggered meltdowns trying to convince us to talk about your feelings and what you want . . just like fact . . . we don't care about your feelings.

last time since this evasion is tedious

Do you admit or deny that blacks with lower scores have been given admissions preferences over whites and Asians with better scores, at elite US universities

a simple yes or no

 

[TurtleDude]

Ah yes. Must include "Asians" to cover for the real fear. Whites not getting their way for once in their lives.

what a silly bit of trolling, with the race card being thrown again

 

[AGENT J]

last time since this evasion is tedious

Do you admit or deny that blacks with lower scores have been given admissions preferences over whites and Asians with better scores, at elite US universities

a simple yes or no

WOW . . what did i say?

LMAO thats what I thought more lies and another failed, dishonest deflection and moronic starwman.
Nobody honest educated and objective cares about your bigoted feelings that mean nothing to the facts. The fact remains you nor ANYBODY else can post one single thing to prove the thread title or those 5 claims to be facts, we've proved that over and over again while what? . . . . 2, 3 posters try to deflect and make desperate strawmen claims but nobody answers what we actually ask..

If you disagree do it in your next post, teach us a lesson . . . . .you won't, cause you cant . . it will be more of the same nonsensical failed triggered meltdowns trying to convince us to talk about your feelings and what you want . . But just like facts . . . we don't care about your feelings.

nailed it!!! LMAO
and the failed dodge and deflection train continues!
lets watch it again!

 

[TurtleDude]

We will take your evasive nonsense as a no-you deny that blacks with lower objective scores are given preferences ahead of better qualified whites and Asians

 

[Logician Man]

Thoughts and prayers for all whites and Asians who have ever been passed over by Blacks with lower SAT scores for any/all reasons. Damn the injustice and a private school's right to make their own choices.

 

[calamity]

what a silly bit of trolling, with the race card being thrown again

Isn't your entire argument against AA about race, TD?

 

[TurtleDude]

Isn't your entire argument against AA about race, TD?

no my entire argument against AA is that it discriminates against people based on race. No one can deny that

 

[Logician Man]

no my entire argument against AA is that it discriminates against people based on race. No one can deny that

It's already been denied in this very thread numerous times.

 

[TurtleDude]

It's already been denied in this very thread numerous times.

so you want to claim that affirmative action programs have never resulted in blacks with lower scores getting into extremely competitive schools ahead of whites and Asians with higher scores?

 

[Logician Man]

so you want to claim that affirmative action programs have never resulted in blacks with lower scores getting into extremely competitive schools ahead of whites and Asians with higher scores?

Those are your words, not mine. 'My words' debunked 'your' failed positive claim "No one can deny that." ( see post# 1038 for validation )

 

[TurtleDude]

It's already been denied in this very thread numerous times.

which shows how ignorant or dishonest many posts are because it is undeniable that programs that Many CALL affirmative action (whether it meets the very narrow definition of its two main defenders notwithstanding) have resulted in blacks with much lower test scores and GPAs getting into elite universities, and Law schools ahead of whites and Asians with much higher scores

 

[Logician Man]

which shows how ignorant or dishonest many posts are because it is undeniable that programs that Many CALL affirmative action (whether it meets the very narrow definition of its two main defenders notwithstanding) have resulted in blacks with much lower test scores and GPAs getting into elite universities, and Law schools ahead of whites and Asians with much higher scores

So what? I'm sure there are people from all races that have been passed over for whatever reasons by people of all other races. That's the school's call. But it sure is hilarious that you seem to be so personally invested in Blacks getting into certain schools for whatever reasons. Are you going to deny a black with a higher SAT or GPA has never been passed over in favor of a white or an Asian for whatever reason(s)?

 

[AGENT J]

We will take your evasive nonsense as a no-you deny that blacks with lower objective scores are given preferences ahead of better qualified whites and Asians

translation your posted meltdowns continue, your post failed and got destroyed, along with the lies in it AGAIN.
thanks for playing!

last time since this evasion is tedious

hey look, another destroyed lie LMAO

and i was proven right and nailed it AGAIN . . .

If you disagree do it in your next post, teach us a lesson . . . . .you won't, cause you cant . . it will be more of the same nonsensical failed triggered meltdowns trying to convince us to talk about your feelings and what you want . . but just like facts . . . we don't care about your feelings.

Fact remains the title op and the 5 claims in at have ZERO facts to make them true. Let us know when that changes, thanks!

 

[TurtleDude]

translation your posted meltdowns continue, your post failed and got destroyed, along with the lies in it AGAIN.
thanks for playing!


hey look, another destroyed lie LMAO

and i was proven right and nailed it AGAIN . . .



Fact remains the title op and the 5 claims in at have ZERO facts to make them true. Let us know when that changes, thanks!

I have never seen so many posts that refuse to actually address the topic and pretend to be decisive in all my years on DP. You cannot honestly admit the obvious and you deny what no one else even debates.

 

[AGENT J]

last time since this evasion is tedious

. . makes yet ANOTHER failed post LMAO

I have never seen so many posts that refuse to actually address the topic and pretend to be decisive in all my years on DP. You cannot honestly admit the obvious and you deny what no one else even debates.

more feelings, lies and moronic strawman that dont matter to the topic or anybody else . . . and the best part . . . still not one logical, honest, integrity based thing in it that shows the thread title and 5 claims in the failed op to be a fact . . .I LOVE IT!!!!
Your post fails again. Quick post another triggered meltdown, dodge, deflection and strawman!

 

[Logician Man]

. . makes yet ANOTHER failed post LMAO


more feelings, lies and moronic strawman that dont matter to the topic or anybody else . . . and the best part . . . still not one logical, honest, integrity based thing in it that shows the thread title and 5 claims in the failed op to be a fact . . .I LOVE IT!!!!
Your post fails again. Quick post another triggered meltdown, dodge, deflection and strawman!

This^

 

[AGENT J]

This^

its truely amazing . .

this thread has a title and the OP made 5 claims.
yet somehow multiple posters asking for proof to make the thread title and 5 claims facts thats bad and not on topic
I mean the vast majority of honest, educated, objective posters with nonbigoted views understand the fact it cant be done but that's not my fault.
Im just pointing that fact out and its amazing how much facts trigger posted meltdown, lies and deflections . . . weird, but VERY funny.

 

[TurtleDude]

The Sad Irony of Affirmative Action

The Supreme Court will revisit affirmative action in Fisher v. University of Texas, and defenders of the practice worry that the Court's decision may end the use of racial preferences in higher-ed admissions. But those concerned about minority studen...

www.nationalaffairs.com

The result was a lawsuit. The plaintiff — Abigail Fisher — is a young woman from Texas whose academic credentials were good, but not quite up to the standards that whites and Asians must meet in order to gain admission. They were, however, above those necessary for African-American and Hispanic students.

For example, according to data released by the University of Texas in connection with Fisher, the mean SAT scores (out of 2400) and mean high-school grade-point averages (on a 4.0 scale) varied widely by race for the entering class of 2009. For Asians, the numbers were 1991 and 3.07; whites were at 1914 and 3.04; Hispanics at 1794 and 2.83; and African-Americans at 1524 and 2.57. The SAT scores for the Asian students placed them in the 93rd percentile of 2009 SAT-takers nationwide; the African-American students, meanwhile, were at the 52nd percentile.
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The Painful Truth About Affirmative Action

Why racial preferences in college admissions hurt minority students—and shroud the education system in dishonesty.

www.theatlantic.com

Affirmative action in university admissions started in the late 1960s as a noble effort to jump-start racial integration and foster equal opportunity. But somewhere along the decades, it has lost its way.
Over time, it has become a political lightning rod and one of our most divisive social policies. It has evolved into a regime of racial preferences at almost all selective schools—preferences so strikingly large and politically unpopular that administrators work hard to conceal them.

Race and Admissions

Tired of partisan sloganeering over affirmative action? A book by former presidents of Princeton and Harvard offers more light than heat.

stanfordmag.org

Conversely, the impact on blacks could be huge if affirmative action were abolished. Bowen and Bok estimate that black enrollment would drop by more than half if a strict race-neutral standard were applied to the group of selective schools they studied—and that the drop could be even higher at the most selective institutions.

Can Affirmative Action Survive?

The policy has made diversity possible. Now, after decades of debate, the Supreme Court is poised to decide its fate.

www.newyorker.com

A study published in 2009 by two sociologists, Thomas Espenshade and Alexandria Walton Radford, estimated that at selective private colleges being Black is the equivalent of adding three hundred and ten points to the SAT score of a white applicant. At Harvard, according to documents produced for the current lawsuit, average SAT section scores of accepted Black applicants were sixty-three points lower than those of accepted Asian American applicants.

In real life, though, when tests become a more obvious factor in admissions, the Black presence decreases. The number of Black students enrolling at Berkeley dropped by nearly fifty per cent the first year that California’s anti-affirmative-action initiative was implemented.

 

[AGENT J]

@Logician Man I bet this thread will probably make it to at least 1200+ posts and nobody will still be able to prove the OP Title and 5 claims in it to be fact. LOL its halirious.