[W: #1372][W: #1004] [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

[Robertinfremont]

Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

He spent 23 months as a clerk.


It was not like he went thru hell week. Lol

I did what? Stop lying to the forum.

 

[vegas giants]

Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

As a student, start to learn. I know this topic far better than you know the topic. And your own remarks prove this.

There was far more than following orders in the Army and had you served you would know this.

Yes. You had to do typing and filing too. Lol

 

[Robertinfremont]

Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

The south wanted to maintain slavery. That is why you support the confederacy

You have no intentions of telling the truth.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

Yes. You had to do typing and filing too. Lol

Gezus crist the guy lives in his own dream world. And you paddled row boats yourself.

 

[Tigerace117]

Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

As a student, start to learn. I know this topic far better than you know the topic. And your own remarks prove this.

There was far more than following orders in the Army and had you served you would know this.

So when did you get whipped to the point of leaving scars for minor infractions or simply because the overseer felt like it? After all, that’s what happened to slaves, so surely it happened to you.....oh wait :roll:

So when did the Army sell your family off to make a quick buck?

So when did the Army sexually abuse your wife and or daughter?

So when did the Army brutally torture you at a whim?

Oh yeah, that’s right....none of that happened.

Your comparison is absolutely ludicrous, and manages to even top your own previous racist claims.

 

[Bum]

Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

Oh now we have a racist from Alabama on the forum.

*golf clap*…...distraction card well played, Mr Scholar.....please produce the evidence that I am a racist, or from Alabama.

You compared slavery to military service, true or false?

Easy question to respond to with a yes or no...

 

[Tigerace117]

Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

What is the issue here Democrats?

Come on and back on topic. It is the real reason why the South seceded by Donald Livingston.

The issue is slavery, which is why the south seceded.

It’s also the virulently racist claims you push.

 

[vegas giants]

Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

You have no intentions of telling the truth.

Here is the truth.


The south wanted to maintain slavery which is why you support the confederacy

 

[CaughtInThe]

Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

I really am not considering them so much as the principle of our founders, to wit when a government is such you can't abide it, you must leave that government. I like the way Washington for instance fought the Brits but that old bastard owned the most slaves of all our founders.

If Trump haters could take their own states and depart, they would happily depart to form a new government. I wish all the Trump haters well in your own country.

Trump haters amount to copperheads of the Lincoln era.

are you okay with a country fighting a war to continue to sell this girl?

 

[Bum]

Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

No answer?

Plenty of time to figure this one out in your scholarly mind.....is slavery the same as military service?

Bob out front seems to have run from the thread....simple question, Bob.

 

[jpn]

Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

Bingo, you and I agree that the public of the South, though a huge number owned no slaves, voted to depart the union over the issue of slavery. Why then would non slave owners want to keep slavery? I submit for the same reason you and I would not want to end the machine age or the fuel age. We value products for lower prices. Cotton was a super industry. It kept the hungry fed.

As far as Lee was concerned, he felt more allegiance to Virginia that he did to the United States. That's why he chose the South. As for others,

White Southern non-slave owners wanted to keep slavery because:
a) it's all they knew,
b) they were influenced by the rich plantation owners who ran everything in the South, including the newspapers,
c) their emotions were manipulated by the wealthy men who ran the South and wanted to preserve their exalted status no matter the cost.

Interestingly, white Southern non-slave owners were working against their own interests, since the plantation economy suppressed white people's opportunities. Slaves took a lot of the middle class jobs, including blacksmiths, cooks, and the like. White people who weren't relatives of plantation-owners had limited career opportunities. There were some, sure, but the legacy of southern poverty is partially a result of plantation economics which the North had escaped.

 

[jpn]

Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

I want that emphasized. It has no bearing on why Lee supported his state vs the purposes stated by Lincoln, this so called reuniting a union.
What is so strange is I find I argue the same reasons Abe argues yet am argued against as if Abe lied to everybody.

Lincoln felt that his number one priority was to preserve the Union.

At that time, democracy was untried and unproven. After the failed revolutions of 1848 in Europe, all the monarchs over there were rooting against democracy. If a union of states spits apart every time one group disagrees on an issue, then you don't really have a functioning democracy at all. Lincoln said it best in the Gettysburg Address:

It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and government of the People, for the People, and by the People, shall not perish from this earth.

Lincoln wanted the American experiment in democracy to succeed. For him, that's what the Civil War was all about.

 

[jpn]

Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

Gezus crist the guy lives in his own dream world. And you paddled row boats yourself.

I saw the post you made a few weeks ago in which you said you were a clerk for an Army Captain. Now you're saying you didn't?

 

[Fledermaus]

Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

I am guilty for agreeing with Abe the outlaw president as to why he invaded.

As you all recall, the press despised him so much he put them into prison.

You haven't presented what the Lincoln proclamation said other than the number of men called up.

 

[Fledermaus]

Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

To save one black from ownership, how many whites must be killed?

None. If the South evolved like the rest of the world and ceased slavery.

 

[calamity]

Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

The issue is slavery, which is why the south seceded.

It’s also the virulently racist claims you push.

Meridian, Idaho, Population: 75,000, 0.8% black. That's 600 people. Apparently, that is more than enough to irritate a white supremacist.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

None. If the South evolved like the rest of the world and ceased slavery.

So how could Abe have dominion over the departed States? Did England retain control over Washington when he waged war?

 

[Robertinfremont]

Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

Meridian, Idaho, Population: 75,000, 0.8% black. That's 600 people. Apparently, that is more than enough to irritate a white supremacist.

It would be were I one. I suggest it irritates you. Since you looked it up.

 

[calamity]

Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

It would be were I one. I suggest it irritates you. Since you looked it up.

Well, it's not like Western Idaho doesn't have a reputation.

Hate makes a comeback in the Pacific Northwest - Los Angeles Times

 

[Fledermaus]

Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

So how could Abe have dominion over the departed States? Did England retain control over Washington when he waged war?

What a silly question.

Had they evolved and given up slavery like every other civilized country they wouldn't have to leave.

 

[Fledermaus]

Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

As a student, start to learn. I know this topic far better than you know the topic. And your own remarks prove this.

There was far more than following orders in the Army and had you served you would know this.

USMC 20+ years.... Tell me again about how the E-Vile US Army treated you like a slave.

 

[jpn]

Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

So how could Abe have dominion over the departed States? Did England retain control over Washington when he waged war?

A revolution is not a civil war. Apples and oranges.

 

[jpn]

Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

Where in this nation is slavery other than our own military?

Wait. Wha...? Our military is like slavery? Are you seriously making that comparison?

Yeah, it's exactly the same except:

No, wait. If I have to list the differences, well, just forget it.

I've read some pretty weird stuff here at DP but this really takes the cake.

--(Retired Navy "Slave." Some of the best years, some of the best experiences, some of the best friends of my life.)

 

[Tigerace117]

Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

Meridian, Idaho, Population: 75,000, 0.8% black. That's 600 people. Apparently, that is more than enough to irritate a white supremacist.

Bob probably moved up to Idaho to avoid having to live near “blacks”. I’m sure he was horrified when he realized the reality :lamo

 

[Robertinfremont]

Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

Wait. Wha...? Our military is like slavery? Are you seriously making that comparison?

Yeah, it's exactly the same except:

No, wait. If I have to list the differences, well, just forget it.

I've read some pretty weird stuff here at DP but this really takes the cake.

--(Retired Navy "Slave." Some of the best years, some of the best experiences, some of the best friends of my life.)

I got out of the Army in 1964. I suspect you were not yet born.

Oh, no doubt the Navy was easier.