[W:135] Great book to study The Problem with Lincoln

[Robertinfremont]

What's your point?

Excuse me. Just read the authors article.

 

[Fledermaus]

Another well researched and factural book by DiLorenzo
Reviewed in the United States on July 29, 2020
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This book ends with a full 20 pages of sources backing up each assertion. When checking the sources and reading the full context, one finds DiLorenzo spot on in his conclusions.
The "Great Emancipator" was in reality the "Great Traitor", responsible for the deaths of 3/4 of a million Americans and the perpetrator of twice as many permanently injured both physically and psychologically. His war crimes of destruction and starvation inspired Stalin. He was also the racist's racist, with a lifelong detest for people of color. Yes, he was all for "equality"... just not here in the United States or among whites! Lincoln said so himself.
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You are spamming now.

Did you read the negative reviews?

 

[Fledermaus]

Payment had been offered for Federal facilities in South Carolina ahead of the Abe invasion of VA.

The South attacked federal troops and shipping prior to President Lincoln sending troops to take back Federal property and facilities. Something he was well within his rights to do.

 

[Fledermaus]

Excuse me. Just read the authors article.

Harry
1.0 out of 5 stars What about contemporary opinion of Lincoln?
Reviewed in the United States on August 1, 2020

It is almost comical that someone would believe this fantasy. At the time of his death, Lincoln was almost universally seen as, almost worshiped as a great president. Brilliant people of the time, including Henry James, recognized his greatness and the ascension of Johnson, James wrote, cast Lincoln's accomplishment and character into even greater relief. He was revered by Walt Whitman. The drive to build the Lincoln Memorial began almost immediately following his death. The funeral train was witnessed by huge crowds along its route. If the people of the time, having been through the horrendous war, thought so highly of him, then anything written or said in the subsequent centuries to besmirch his character and accomplishments is put out by people who are professional psychotic haters. Don't take a bite out of them. They are cookies full of arsenic.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Harry
1.0 out of 5 stars What about contemporary opinion of Lincoln?
Reviewed in the United States on August 1, 2020

It is almost comical that someone would believe this fantasy. At the time of his death, Lincoln was almost universally seen as, almost worshiped as a great president. Brilliant people of the time, including Henry James, recognized his greatness and the ascension of Johnson, James wrote, cast Lincoln's accomplishment and character into even greater relief. He was revered by Walt Whitman. The drive to build the Lincoln Memorial began almost immediately following his death. The funeral train was witnessed by huge crowds along its route. If the people of the time, having been through the horrendous war, thought so highly of him, then anything written or said in the subsequent centuries to besmirch his character and accomplishments is put out by people who are professional psychotic haters. Don't take a bite out of them. They are cookies full of arsenic.

War mongers like Abe Lincoln.


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Reviewed in the United States on July 15, 2020
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Well researched and well written. A lot of history books read like dull textbooks, this one flows from start to finish.

Most importantly this book obliterates conventional wisdom surrounding the Civil War and much of the 19th Century. Some, who clearly haven't read it, would freak out that this is part of "cancel culture". However, it is anything but. If nothing else is reveals how the myths surrounding the 1860s are being manipulated to fuel cancel culture and mis-characterize huge segments of both US history and the population. If you're curious about the causes of the Civil War, the players of the time, and why there are massive undercurrents of unrest that still persist today I cannot recommend this book any more stridently.

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[Tigerace117]

An Outstanding Book! The Truth Finally Comes Out! This is a must read.
Reviewed in the United States on July 9, 2020
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“The Problem with Lincoln” is one of the best, well researched books ever written on Lincoln! DiLorenzo masterfully demonstrates that what has been taught and believed about Lincoln is not accurately supported by historical facts. Lincoln’s true identity is revealed in his obsession with centralizing government power and eliminating any people groups in opposition to his plan. Henry Clay, who Lincoln described as his ideal statesman, called for the destruction of the American Indian. Following Clay’s ideals, Lincoln’s generals implemented the policies that led to the subjugation and genocide of the American Indian. Without the vote or consent of congress, Lincoln invaded the Southern States to secure and preserve the tax revenue from the Morrill Tariff. This tariff imposed an unbearable burden that was 50-60% of all goods purchased in those states. Ironically, Britain invaded the colonies 87 years before to secure the taxes on tea, stamps, and other goods for the British crown. “The Problem with Lincoln” dries up the deluge of big government propaganda on the American People in the last 160 years to reveal the truth with the historical record from a multitude of credible primary sources.

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Oh look, more blatant lies. For example, claiming that the war was fought over “tariffs” when in reality it started when the South, trying to protect slavery, opened fire on US troops.

It’s also hilarious watching Confederate fanboys try to bring up Native Americans when they treated tribes like the Apache as brutally as they claim the North did.

 

[Robertinfremont]

The South attacked federal troops and shipping prior to President Lincoln sending troops to take back Federal property and facilities. Something he was well within his rights to do.

Essentially your argument is presidents take over ownership of states. But that is a false argument.


An Outstanding Book! The Truth Finally Comes Out! This is a must read.
Reviewed in the United States on July 9, 2020
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“The Problem with Lincoln” is one of the best, well researched books ever written on Lincoln! DiLorenzo masterfully demonstrates that what has been taught and believed about Lincoln is not accurately supported by historical facts. Lincoln’s true identity is revealed in his obsession with centralizing government power and eliminating any people groups in opposition to his plan. Henry Clay, who Lincoln described as his ideal statesman, called for the destruction of the American Indian. Following Clay’s ideals, Lincoln’s generals implemented the policies that led to the subjugation and genocide of the American Indian. Without the vote or consent of congress, Lincoln invaded the Southern States to secure and preserve the tax revenue from the Morrill Tariff. This tariff imposed an unbearable burden that was 50-60% of all goods purchased in those states. Ironically, Britain invaded the colonies 87 years before to secure the taxes on tea, stamps, and other goods for the British crown. “The Problem with Lincoln” dries up the deluge of big government propaganda on the American People in the last 160 years to reveal the truth with the historical record from a multitude of credible primary sources.

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[Tigerace117]

I am surprised, kind of, that you did not answer that.

President Lincoln suspends the writ of habeas corpus

This action kicks off a legal dispute with the Supreme Court.

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Lincoln ordered a General to suspend Habeas Corpus. Taney told him not to suspend the law.

Taney was a disgrace to the Supreme Court and not worthy to shine Lincoln’s shoes. He oversaw the worst decision in Supreme Court history, the Dred Scott case, in which he attempted to legalize slavery across the country.....including in the north.

 

[Felis Leo]

You are a Confederate fanboy, as your posts in numerous threads have shown quite clearly.

Not a single country recognized the Confederacy, and claiming the people explicitly fighting to defend slavery were “fighting for freedom” is amusing.

They were fighting for freedom, Tigerace117, insofar as the legally-recognized right to own and trade human beings as property is technically a "freedom". Just not one that any moral human being should consider worth fighting for.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Oh look, more blatant lies. For example, claiming that the war was fought over “tariffs” when in reality it started when the South, trying to protect slavery, opened fire on US troops.

It’s also hilarious watching Confederate fanboys try to bring up Native Americans when they treated tribes like the Apache as brutally as they claim the North did.

How many Native tribes members did Abe hang in one day at the same time?

 

[Robertinfremont]

Taney was a disgrace to the Supreme Court and not worthy to shine Lincoln’s shoes. He oversaw the worst decision in Supreme Court history, the Dred Scott case, in which he attempted to legalize slavery across the country.....including in the north.

Do you generally favor Republicans? I normally do.

 

[Tigerace117]

They were fighting for freedom, Tigerace117, insofar as the legally-recognized right to own and trade human beings as property is technically a "freedom". Just not one that any moral human being should consider worth fighting for.

Which, of course, isn’t a “freedom” in the first place. By that standard ISIS would also be “fighting for freedom”

 

[Robertinfremont]

Taney was a disgrace to the Supreme Court and not worthy to shine Lincoln’s shoes. He oversaw the worst decision in Supreme Court history, the Dred Scott case, in which he attempted to legalize slavery across the country.....including in the north.

The Supreme Court is not a one man ruled court.

Taney simply had to recognize the same law that Washington, Jefferson and indeed 10 other presidents had to then recognize. Slavery then was very legal.

 

[Tigerace117]

Do you generally favor Republicans? I normally do.

What does that have to do with the fact that Taney was a disgrace to the Supreme Court?

 

[Tigerace117]

The Supreme Court is not a one man ruled court.

Taney simply had to recognize the same law that Washington, Jefferson and indeed 10 other presidents had to then recognize. Slavery then was very legal.

Slavery was not legal in the north, and by the time of Dred Scott hadn’t been legal for decades. Taney attempted to forcibly re-legalize it, against the wishes of the people there, with his idiotic decision.....which was especially hypocritical coming from the folks who claimed to support “states’ rights”.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Which, of course, isn’t a “freedom” in the first place. By that standard ISIS would also be “fighting for freedom”

ISIS which is not relevant does believe they are fighting for freedom.

Abe did not invade VA due to religion. Hell he did not invade VA over slavery.

Sumter is a false flag issue. Nary a slave was in the fort.

 

[Tigerace117]

How many Native tribes members did Abe hang in one day at the same time?

He commuted hundreds of death sentences and only hung those who had committed crimes worthy of that penalty. Being hungry is not an excuse to rape and murder.

 

[Robertinfremont]

What does that have to do with the fact that Taney was a disgrace to the Supreme Court?

Taney was not a disgrace to the court at his time and era.
12 presidents owned slaves. Were all of them disgraces?

 

[Tigerace117]

ISIS which is not relevant does believe they are fighting for freedom.

Abe did not invade VA due to religion. Hell he did not invade VA over slavery.

Sumter is a false flag issue. Nary a slave was in the fort.

ISIS does believe they are fighting for “freedom”; the “freedom” to enslave or murder people who don’t follow the “right” brand of their religion in their new “country”. They are just as warped as the Confederacy.

Lincoln invaded the Confederacy, which Virginia was a part of, due to their attack on US soldiers.

Oh really? So you are claiming US soldiers dressed up as Confederates and shelled the fort? Do you realize how nuts that is?

 

[Robertinfremont]

He commuted hundreds of death sentences and only hung those who had committed crimes worthy of that penalty. Being hungry is not an excuse to rape and murder.

Eating is normal for people. And the natives hung had taken food from the store set for them so start learning some facts.

Abe should never have hung any of the tribes men.

 

[Tigerace117]

Taney was not a disgrace to the court at his time and era.
12 presidents owned slaves. Were all of them disgraces?

Taney was a disgrace to the court even by the standard of the day.

Twelve presidents didn’t forcibly try to legalize slavery across the country.....unlike Taney.

 

[Tigerace117]

Eating is normal for people. And the natives hung had taken food from the store set for them so start learning some facts.

Abe should never have hung any of the tribes men.

Again, being hungry does not justify murdering or raping people. Those who committed crimes were punished.....most were saved by Lincoln’s orders. Start learning some facts instead of babbling nonsense for a change.

 

[Robertinfremont]

ISIS does believe they are fighting for “freedom”; the “freedom” to enslave or murder people who don’t follow the “right” brand of their religion in their new “country”. They are just as warped as the Confederacy.

Lincoln invaded the Confederacy, which Virginia was a part of, due to their attack on US soldiers.

Oh really? So you are claiming US soldiers dressed up as Confederates and shelled the fort? Do you realize how nuts that is?

Lets all get back to the book discussing Abe's problems.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Taney was a disgrace to the court even by the standard of the day.

Twelve presidents didn’t forcibly try to legalize slavery across the country.....unlike Taney.

12 did not have to. Slavery was then the law of America. Taney was just admitting this truth.

 

[Felis Leo]

Which, of course, isn’t a “freedom” in the first place. By that standard ISIS would also be “fighting for freedom”

While we have given the term "Freedom" a positive connotation, it should be noted that a legally recognized right, freedom or prerogative does not necessarily equate to being good "good." Select groups of human beings have afforded themselves rights, freedoms and prerogatives throughout history that many of us would consider beastly and reprehensible today. Such as the freedom to own slaves, or the freedom to "correct" one's wife if she was not properly respectful to her husband. But that is because we approach things through the lens of post-Enlightenment egalitarian humanism, in which our baseline assumption is that all human beings, regardless of their ethnicity, sex, creed, religion, sexual orientation, economic status or family name should be considered equal under the law and where the government exists to protect their rights equally, rather than the prerogatives of clearly-delineated classes of people like the feudal aristocracies of old. Which I think is the better way of doing things...but we cannot take it for granted that it is the natural order because most societies until incredibly recently were modeled on the system of harshly-enforced hierarchies along the categories I just outlined.

The Southern system was one of those old-world system that most of Western humanity had managed to move past, and it existed to protect the prerogatives of slave ownership of the Southern aristocracy and gentry. The "freedom" they were trying to protect was the freedom of the nobleman to command his bondsman and to treat him in any manner he saw fit. It was a detestable "one-way" freedom.