[W:122]What did I tell you all about herd immunity??

[Paradoxical]

as usual, your post is 4 clown shoes stupid

just lies, claims and BS

My sincere condolences for your apparent lack of reading and comprehension of basic facts. Public schools aren't what they were 40 years ago.

When you or anyone can explain the DRASTIC reduction in deaths in Sweden, New York, New Jersey, Conn. and Mass in the past two weeks, do let me know.


PS. I won't be holding my breath.

 

[Paradoxical]

At least 6 new coronavirus deaths and 629 new cases were reported in New York on Aug. 25.
New York Coronavirus Map and Case Count - The New York Times

and............???Please explain what this post is intended for?

 

[iguanaman]

At some point, even the die hard haters here are going to start listening to me. Many were saying "We need 60-70% for herd immunity. So and so doctor said so and what do YOU know.Your group also said "Masks work".

All of my efforts to point out that Sweden wore no masks and didn't shut down and now has a near zero death rate fell on deaf ears with diversionary comments such as "What about all the deaths they already had, huh?" I pointed out New Yrk and the other three states next to them that had the highest death rates of anyone and now just a trickle and suggested that was because they achieved immunity. Some of you said "Oh NO! Testing shows only 20-30 are positive" and I pointed out, to deaf ears that people who are not sick or over their "flu" don't need to get tested. Why would they?

Still you all doubted the great Paradoxical and scoffed and ridiculed Like Trump, I let it fall off me like water off a duck.

Now, here is even MORE proof I was right all along

Drop in Brazilian coronavirus cases prompts herd immunity questions | Fox News

The Brazilians have figured out that this virus kills you and are taking their own steps to slow the spread. It has nothing to do with herd immunity. Fear of dying generates strong measures to stay alive. That is news to you?

 

[Paradoxical]

literally a hardcore partisan fighting as hard as he can to prove that a sleazy ass politician didn't **** up our Pandemic response.

does anyone else laugh at his efforts?

Cuomo did. I have admitted that.

I haven't decided who is dumb and who is dumber between the two brothers. Have you? It's real close.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Cuomo did. I have admitted that.

I haven't decided who is dumb and who is dumber between the two brothers. Have you? It's real close.

MARCH 10
“And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”
— Donald Trump

 

[Paradoxical]

The Brazilians have figured out that this virus kills you and are taking their own steps to slow the spread. It has nothing to do with herd immunity. Fear of dying generates strong measures to stay alive. That is news to you?

May Isee your evidence? Claims are a dime a dozen and anyone can claim anything and even make friends and sheep believe those claims. Why, people believe that Mohammed was a prophet because of claims. No evidence. Just a claim.

You see, Iguanaman, I go with facts and logic. I dismiss claims. Math NEVER lies. People lie. The math is that in the four states that had the highest death rate in the entire world are now almost nil. That is math and cannot be refuted. You and others can use Goebbelsian lies and posturing that they wear masks "better" or some other garbage but one thing yo cannot do is refute math. You can say that Sweden self induce social distancing (a lie) and that is the reason their death rate is now almost nil but you know it is a lie and you are lying to yourself to maintain the lies you have been told by the the Goebbelsians. The media lies. the Democrats lie. They WANT to keep you in abject fear to sell advertising. That's what they do.

two plus two will always equal four.

 

[Paradoxical]

MARCH 10
“And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”
— Donald Trump

You know, citing what Trump said at the outset is really useless. What he said isn't important. He had noway of knowing. He is the eternal opportunist while your party is filled with Debbie Downers.

 

[Visbek]

When you or anyone can explain the DRASTIC reduction in deaths in Sweden, New York, New Jersey, Conn. and Mass in the past two weeks, do let me know.

There was no "DRASTIC reduction in deaths in the past two weeks." That's complete nonsense. Even "2 months" is flat-out wrong.

NY, NJ, CT, MA, Sweden all had gradual drops in the number of new deaths per day, which started 3-4 months ago.

NJ has 1,800 deaths per 1 million population.
NY has 1,700 deaths per 1m.
MA and CT are around 1,500 deaths per 1m.
Sweden has less than 600 deaths per 1m.



Cases follow the same pattern, with NJ maxing out at almost 3 times more cases than Sweden.

Meanwhile, South Korea at 6 deaths per 1m; New Zealand at 4.4 per 1m; Italy at 588 per 1m; Spain has been around 600 per 1m, but the number of cases is rising again, with deaths soon to follow.

EU nations run the full gamut, from 6 deaths per 1m to 860 deaths per 1m. How is that possible? It certainly isn't the case that New York has 3 times as many high-risk residents as Sweden, Italy, and Spain.

It makes no sense whatsoever to proclaim that these case and death statistics can be explained by "herd immunity."


Again! Explain why Spain is in the middle of a second wave:




Explain why Louisiana had a second wave:




Explain why Colorado had a second wave:




You can't explain it, and repeatedly refuse to explain it, because these second waves and different rates of cases and deaths per capita are result of social distancing and similar measures (both mandatory and voluntary), and puts a gigantic hole in your "herd immunity" theory.

 

[CaughtInThe]

You know, citing what Trump said at the outset is really useless.

i bet it pisses off Trump foot soldiers like yourself.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Are you suggesting that the reason New York and the other three neighboring states are having extremely low death rates now because they wear masks better??

Not masks alone, no. You obsess over masks and I'm not sure why.

 

[Quag]

Not masks alone, no. You obsess over masks and I'm not sure why.

Because thats what the extreme right wing media he listens to talks about

 

[avatar]

Like you, I imagine

We have driven it down to a very low rate her. How bout you?

 

[holbritter]

and............???Please explain what this post is intended for?

You're dismissed.

 

[snakestretcher]

At some point, even the die hard haters here are going to start listening to me. Many were saying "We need 60-70% for herd immunity. So and so doctor said so and what do YOU know.Your group also said "Masks work".

All of my efforts to point out that Sweden wore no masks and didn't shut down and now has a near zero death rate fell on deaf ears with diversionary comments such as "What about all the deaths they already had, huh?" I pointed out New Yrk and the other three states next to them that had the highest death rates of anyone and now just a trickle and suggested that was because they achieved immunity. Some of you said "Oh NO! Testing shows only 20-30 are positive" and I pointed out, to deaf ears that people who are not sick or over their "flu" don't need to get tested. Why would they?

Still you all doubted the great Paradoxical and scoffed and ridiculed Like Trump, I let it fall off me like water off a duck.

Now, here is even MORE proof I was right all along

Drop in Brazilian coronavirus cases prompts herd immunity questions | Fox News

"It will be forgotten by August". Now, if you can produce some facts instead of speculation, you might be onto something. I'm sure the forum members are on the edge of their seats in eager anticipation...
Did you miss the bit that said, "there are too many variables to be sure", or did you stop reading at the headlines?

 

[snakestretcher]

The link that I posted suggests the same thing I said a few weeks back. The four states that WERE the highest BY FAR in deaths per million are now having almost none. I guess the article is idiotic too? Do you have any evidence that NY hasn't reached immunity?

You want people to prove a negative? You know it can't be done, right? Ok, let's ask you for your evidence that New York has achieved herd immunity. You have none and, just like all the other stuff you present as 'fact', it is no more than an assumption.

 

[snakestretcher]

the 4100 means they are infected and need to be in the hospital or ?

Also, could you lookup for me the amount of new cases in California, Texas and Florida for the same period? Thanks. Appreciate it.

It means they are not immune, meaning that you are wrong, as always.

 

[Paradoxical]

Not masks alone, no. You obsess over masks and I'm not sure why.

They stand 6 feet apart better?

 

[Simon W. Moon]

I decided that you guys need me here because you are all woefully uninformed because you listen to and read the Goebbelsian news. I am doing you all a public service.

w/e

but your credibility isn't really the kind of thing you should try to make a thread about or base your argument on
cause your credibility's shot through the head

All arguments based on the idea that you have some semblance of credibility are still-born

 

[Paradoxical]

Because thats what the extreme right wing media he listens to talks about

Unlike you, I formulate my own opinions. There are no right wing media outlets that are talking about immunity like I am.......yet.

I deal in logic, math and reason. Not emotional hysteria.

PS. I can just hear you thinking. "Oh great. Now I can criticize and say no right wing outlets are talking about it because it's a kooky idea" so have at it and prove to me that it is. Not a one of you has yet.

 

[Quag]

Unlike you, I formulate my own opinions. There are no right wing media outlets that are talking about immunity like I am.......yet.

I deal in logic, math and reason. Not emotional hysteria.

PS. I can just hear you thinking. "Oh great. Now I can criticize and say no right wing outlets are talking about it because it's a kooky idea" so have at it and prove to me that it is. Not a one of you has yet.

BS all your claims come from extreme right wing media and you are constantly being proven wrong
Sucks to be a joke like you but you do go out of your way to do it.

 

[Paradoxical]

You want people to prove a negative? You know it can't be done, right? Ok, let's ask you for your evidence that New York has achieved herd immunity. You have none and, just like all the other stuff you present as 'fact', it is no more than an assumption.

Math...................

 

[Paradoxical]

You want people to prove a negative? You know it can't be done, right? Ok, let's ask you for your evidence that New York has achieved herd immunity. You have none and, just like all the other stuff you present as 'fact', it is no more than an assumption.

I presented to you the mathematical reason(s)and logic behind my reasoning. ll you've done is say I'm wrong. That doesn't qualify as an argument.

 

[snakestretcher]

Unlike you, I formulate my own opinions. There are no right wing media outlets that are talking about immunity like I am.......yet.

I deal in logic, math and reason. Not emotional hysteria.

PS. I can just hear you thinking. "Oh great. Now I can criticize and say no right wing outlets are talking about it because it's a kooky idea" so have at it and prove to me that it is. Not a one of you has yet.

"I deal in logic, math and reason". So please explain why you're the only person in the entire thread who agrees with yourself. Are we all illogical, unreasonable and hysterically emotional people who can't do simple maths?

 

[snakestretcher]

I presented to you the mathematical reason(s)and logic behind my reasoning. ll you've done is say I'm wrong. That doesn't qualify as an argument.

Everyone in this entire thread says you're wrong. So, using logic, maths and reasoning that tells me you're the one who is consistently wrong.

 

[snakestretcher]

Math...................

What 'math'? So, how do you 'prove' a negative? You clearly know, so please share your expertise.