[W:#1164] Trump subpoenaed.

[Conservative]

Do you really want to make this personal? I don’t think that’s permitted on this forum.

What was personal? You think I was talking about you? If the posts hits home then that is your problem

 

[rahl]

Nothing is going to change the mine of a cultist like you, I respond to policies and results. Trump's pro private sector policies gave us the best economic results in history and you want to ignore that. Nothing else matters. As for foreign policy, again your focus is on what our supposed allies did not what our enemies did. We were safer thanks to Trump than we are now and that is reality

Trump has the worst economic record of any modern US president going all the way back to Hoover

 

[TomFitz]

Nothing is going to change the mine of a cultist like you, I respond to policies and results. Trump's pro private sector policies gave us the best economic results in history and you want to ignore that. Nothing else matters. As for foreign policy, again your focus is on what our supposed allies did not what our enemies did. We were safer thanks to Trump than we are now and that is reality

I described the results of many of trump’s half assed “policies” in terms you could not refute. And didn’t bother to try.

Trump did nothing in particular on “private sector policies” other than a massive tax cut for Wall Street.

Which did not move the economic needle at all but did enrich a lot of bond traders. Trump inherited a strong economy. Little he did improved it. But that was one area he didn’t F up.

“As for foreign policy, again your focus is on what our supposed allies did not what our enemies did. We were safer thanks to Trump than we are now and that is reality”

That’s utterly ridiculous.

Iran is more likely to become a nuclear power because of your beloved fuhrer.

Our enemy just invaded Ukraine, and your beloved fuhrer cheered for it (as do you).

And the Russian are floating the idea of using tactical nuclear weapons becasue of the mistake they made when they equated trump’s weakness and cowardice for America’s.

 

[Conservative]

I described the results of many of trump’s half assed “policies” in terms you could not refute. And didn’t bother to try.

You gave your biased opinion of Trump policies but no data to support those claims whereas I have posted over and over again the 7 million NEW jobs created from January 2017 to February 2020(bls.gov), 900 billion dollars in GDP dollar growth each year during those three years(BEA.gov), historic unemployment for African Americans and Hispanics(BLS.gov), record state and local revenue due to tax cut spending and the best you can offer is hate rhetoric and biased partisan opinions none of which refute the data

Trump did nothing in particular on “private sector policies” other than a massive tax cut for Wall Street.

That is your opinion showing how little you understand about the private sector, over a trillion dollars repatriated due to the tax cuts. Where did you get your biased information

Which did not move the economic needle at all but did enrich a lot of bond traders. Trump inherited a strong economy. Little he did improved it. But that was one area he didn’t F up.

Interesting, can you explain why bea.gov doesn't show a strong economy that Trump inherited? What was the GDP in 2016?

“As for foreign policy, again your focus is on what our supposed allies did not what our enemies did. We were safer thanks to Trump than we are now and that is reality”

That’s utterly ridiculous.

So you really care what our allies think about this country? tells me a lot about you. I don't give a damn as the results speak for themselves.

Iran is more likely to become a nuclear power because of your beloved fuhrer.

So you claim, where were the nuclear testing under Trump?

Our enemy just invaded Ukraine, and your beloved fuhrer cheered for it (as do you).

After Trump left office and after the Biden Afghanistan fiasco, 2022 as you have a very selective memory

And the Russian are floating the idea of using tactical nuclear weapons becasue of the mistake they made when they equated trump’s weakness and cowardice for America’s.

And Biden is President, reassuring isn't it?

 

[Conservative]

I described the results of many of trump’s half assed “policies” in terms you could not refute. And didn’t bother to try.

Trump did nothing in particular on “private sector policies” other than a massive tax cut for Wall Street.

Which did not move the economic needle at all but did enrich a lot of bond traders. Trump inherited a strong economy. Little he did improved it. But that was one area he didn’t F up.

“As for foreign policy, again your focus is on what our supposed allies did not what our enemies did. We were safer thanks to Trump than we are now and that is reality”

That’s utterly ridiculous.

Iran is more likely to become a nuclear power because of your beloved fuhrer.

Our enemy just invaded Ukraine, and your beloved fuhrer cheered for it (as do you).

And the Russian are floating the idea of using tactical nuclear weapons becasue of the mistake they made when they equated trump’s weakness and cowardice for America’s.

Oh by the way, 2% inflation(Commerce) and a U6 unemployment rate(BLS.gov) well below what he inherited from Obama which by the way never got back to pre recession levels of 9.2% with Obama to 6.8% under Trump. Doubt you know what the U6 rate represents

Data really destroys your partisan rhetoric

 

[TomFitz]

You gave your biased opinion of Trump policies but no data to support those claims whereas I have posted over and over again the 7 million NEW jobs created from January 2017 to February 2020(bls.gov), 900 billion dollars in GDP dollar growth each year during those three years(BEA.gov), historic unemployment for African Americans and Hispanics(BLS.gov), record state and local revenue due to tax cut spending and the best you can offer is hate rhetoric and biased partisan opinions none of which refute the data

That is your opinion showing how little you understand about the private sector, over a trillion dollars repatriated due to the tax cuts. Where did you get your biased information

Interesting, can you explain why bea.gov doesn't show a strong economy that Trump inherited? What was the GDP in 2016?

So you really care what our allies think about this country? tells me a lot about you. I don't give a damn as the results speak for themselves.

So you claim, where were the nuclear testing under Trump?

After Trump left office and after the Biden Afghanistan fiasco, 2022 as you have a very selective memory

And Biden is President, reassuring isn't it?

Yes it is.

We have a leader who understand what it is to be a world leader.

Not some clown who does sword danced and writes love letters to dictators.

We stood up to the Russians instead of cowering, which is what you and trump wanted to do.

The curve of economic growth did not change at all once trump became president. He was the beneficiary of the policies of his predecessor, and Wall Street’s man in his administration told him not to screw with it. (but hand out the borrowed money anyway).

trillion dollars repatriated? Document that one.

Enrichment of nuclear fuel began within weeks of trump’s decision to break the deal.

The Afghan “fiasco” was also a trump “policy”.

Biden just carried it through. Nobody for one minute believes that trump would have managed it better. TRump couldn’t manage anything. And he had a lifetime record of proving it.

 

[Kushinator]

I have posted over and over again the 7 million NEW jobs created from January 2017 to February 2020(bls.gov)

Cherry pick. His term went into January 2021. Next.....

900 billion dollars in GDP dollar growth each year during those three years(BEA.gov)

Nominal GDP increased by $2.74 trillion between December 2016 and January 2020. But that's a cherry pick again, because you are purposefully omitting 2020 as it utterly destroys your simplistic talking point.

FWIW, since Biden has been POTUS, nominal GDP grew by $2.664 trillion in 2021 alone. So far in 2022, nGDP has grown by a little more than $807 billion (first two quarters).

record state and local revenue

By your asinine standard, the record for state and local revenue for a year is held by Biden.

Your arguments are so desperate, diluted, and one-dimensional, it's almost sad watching someone behave in such a terrified and helpless manner. Almost, because you refuse to learn, and therefore you've earned the ridicule that comes with your posts.

 

[Conservative]

Yes it is.

We have a leader who understand what it is to be a world leader.

Not some clown who does sword danced and writes love letters to dictators.

We stood up to the Russians instead of cowering, which is what you and trump wanted to do.

The curve of economic growth did not change at all once trump became president. He was the beneficiary of the policies of his predecessor, and Wall Street’s man in his administration told him not to screw with it. (but hand out the borrowed money anyway).

trillion dollars repatriated? Document that one.

Enrichment of nuclear fuel began within weeks of trump’s decision to break the deal.

The Afghan “fiasco” was also a trump “policy”.

Biden just carried it through. Nobody for one minute believes that trump would have managed it better. TRump couldn’t manage anything. And he had a lifetime record of proving it.

Well, don't know what to tell you but you are in the 39% on the economy that support this President and 42% on foreign policies, wonder how those parents of the 13 Americans killed in the Afghanistan fiasco feel about Biden. How was the August 2021 withdrawal from Afghanistan Trump's policy? It was pushed back a few months by Biden and still screwed it up. Are you and Biden related?

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Biden Job Approval - Foreign Policy

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Biden Job Approval - Foreign Policy

www.realclearpolitics.com

It is amazing how poorly informed you are on data, policies and results. Such hatred of Trump as if he had personal interaction with you and your
family.

I gave you specific data which you ignored and will continue to ignore showing partisanship like a cultist. Data matters, results matter, not your biased partisan opinion. Respond to the data and stop with the liberal propaganda

 

[Kushinator]

Well, don't know what to tell you but you are in the 39%

And yet another reason to not take anything you say seriously:

What are you talking about? I don't care what polls say as they mean nothing

 

[TomFitz]

Oh by the way, 2% inflation(Commerce) and a U6 unemployment rate(BLS.gov) well below what he inherited from Obama which by the way never got back to pre recession levels of 9.2% with Obama to 6.8% under Trump. Doubt you know what the U6 rate represents

Data really destroys your partisan rhetoric

Describing a continuing trend.

Perhaps you could tell us what of your “policies” you’re talking about .

Data supports my “rhetoric”.

Trump says he built a great economy. Numbers tell a different story.

The average quarterly economic growth under Trump, 2.5 percent, was almost exactly what it was under Obama in the second term, 2.4 percent.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[MTAtech]

This is all anyone needs to know about Trump and Putin:
"This is genius," Trump said. "Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine ... Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that's wonderful."

Regarding leadership, if a killer meteor was headed to Earth, Trump would first claim that it isn’t happening, telling us it’s up to the governors where the meteor would hit to respond and end up telling us not to look up.

Biden, conversely, would muster all available resources to deflect the meteor. Mitch McConnell would go along with Biden, as long as Biden agreed to upper income tax cuts.

 

[Conservative]

Describing a continuing trend.

Perhaps you could tell us what of your “policies” you’re talking about .

Data supports my “rhetoric”.

Trump says he built a great economy. Numbers tell a different story.

The average quarterly economic growth under Trump, 2.5 percent, was almost exactly what it was under Obama in the second term, 2.4 percent.

www.nbcnews.com

I gave you the numbers and the source of the information what you countered with was percentage change showing that you are also mathematically challenged. 2% growth in 14 trillion isn't the same as 2% growth on 19 trillion dollars, dollars matters, employment numbers matter not percentage change. You want to talk percentage change? what was the 2016 GDP percentage growth that Trump inherited? What was in it 2017-2018-2019?

You offer nothing but partisan bs as if being paid or a relative of Biden, which is it?

 

[Conservative]

This is all anyone needs to know about Trump and Putin:
"This is genius," Trump said. "Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine ... Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that's wonderful."

Regarding leadership, if a killer meteor was headed to Earth, Trump would first claim that it isn’t happening, telling us it’s up to the governors where the meteor would hit to respond and end up telling us not to look up.

Biden, conversely, would muster all available resources to deflect the meteor.

Biden economic support 39%, Foreign policy support 42%, overall support 43%. Biden is President not Trump and we are all paying for that incompetence

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Biden Job Approval

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Biden Job Approval

www.realclearpolitics.com

 

[MTAtech]

Biden economic support 39%, Foreign policy support 42%, overall support 43%. Biden is President not Trump and we are all paying for that incompetence

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Biden Job Approval

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Biden Job Approval

www.realclearpolitics.com

From Pew:

Moreover…

America’s Image Abroad Rebounds With Transition From Trump to Biden

A new survey of 16 publics finds a significant uptick in ratings for the U.S., with strong support for Joe Biden and several of his major policy initiatives. But many raise concerns about the health of America’s political system.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[Conservative]

Describing a continuing trend.

Perhaps you could tell us what of your “policies” you’re talking about .

Data supports my “rhetoric”.

Trump says he built a great economy. Numbers tell a different story.

The average quarterly economic growth under Trump, 2.5 percent, was almost exactly what it was under Obama in the second term, 2.4 percent.

www.nbcnews.com

Pretty specific question that deserves an answer

Did Trump policies take Employment from 152 million to 159 million January 2017-February 2020?

Did Trump policies Grow GDP 900 Billion dollars per year, 2017-2019?

Did the U^ go from 9.2% to 6.8% January 2017 to December 2019?

Did Hispanic and African American unemployment achieve historic lows under Trump not Obama?

Was the inflation rate during the entire Trump term 2%? what is it now?

Where are the lies and distortions in that data?

Want to compare Obama? Go for it, How many NEW jobs created? What was the GDP dollar growth per year? what was the U-6 pre recession and when he left office? What are the employment numbers now under Biden?

You keep spounting partisan rhetoric but never answer direct questions, I will be waiting

 

[Conservative]

From Pew:

Moreover…

America’s Image Abroad Rebounds With Transition From Trump to Biden

A new survey of 16 publics finds a significant uptick in ratings for the U.S., with strong support for Joe Biden and several of his major policy initiatives. But many raise concerns about the health of America’s political system.

www.pewresearch.org

Let's see, Obama lost over 60 seats in the House in 2010, want to wager on 2022? Amazing loyalty to the D, how about a response to 790?

 

[MTAtech]

Pretty specific question that deserves an answer

Did Trump policies take Employment from 152 million to 159 million January 2017-February 2020?

Did Trump policies Grow GDP 900 Billion dollars per year, 2017-2019?

Did the U^ go from 9.2% to 6.8% January 2017 to December 2019?

Did Hispanic and African American unemployment achieve historic lows under Trump not Obama?

Was the inflation rate during the entire Trump term 2%? what is it now?

Where are the lies and distortions in that data?

Want to compare Obama? Go for it, How many NEW jobs created? What was the GDP dollar growth per year? what was the U-6 pre recession and when he left office? What are the employment numbers now under Biden?

You keep spounting partisan rhetoric but never answer direct questions, I will be waiting

Herbert Hoover had a great first year. If you were one of his apologists, instead of a Trump apologist, you wouldn’t count the following years.

 

[Conservative]

Herbert Hoover had a great first year. If you were one of his apologists, instead of a Trump apologist, you wouldn’t count the following years.

Why does Biden deserve 2 more years of Democrat Control of Congress, isn't over 8% inflation enough for you or do you want every American dependent on the taxpayers? Have you spent any time listening to Biden in public? Reassuring? Didn't think so but loyalty to the D gives us the disaster we have now

Amazing how Trump results are distorted and really never discussed, why is that? Apologize for Trump? Not me, I never liked Trump but voted for his policies and got the results that warranted by 2020 support as well, policies that helped MOST Americans except for Blue State Democrats who deducted their high state and local taxes from their federal return

 

[MTAtech]

Why does Biden deserve 2 more years of Democrat Control of Congress, isn't over 8% inflation enough for you or do you want every American dependent on the taxpayers? Have you spent any time listening to Biden in public? Reassuring? Didn't think so but loyalty to the D gives us the disaster we have now

Amazing how Trump results are distorted and really never discussed, why is that? Apologize for Trump? Not me, I never liked Trump but voted for his policies and got the results that warranted by 2020 support as well, policies that helped MOST Americans except for Blue State Democrats who deducted their high state and local taxes from their federal return

The idea that inflation, which is happening worldwide, is somehow Biden’s fault is idiotic. Inflation is higher in Britain under conservative rule.

Why does Biden deserve two more years of Democratic control in Congress? We only have to look at the landmark bills that were passed, including infrastructure, which was a running joke under Trump, that never got it together.Then, there is codifying abortion rights, that have been eroded in right wing states. Then, there is getting more reasonable judges on the federal courts, to balance the shills and incompetent judges Trump nominated and McConnell pushed through.

If Republicans take any house of Congress, there will preoccupy themselves with the retribution tour — hearings on BLM and Hunter Biden, instead of governing. Voters deserve better.

 

[Conservative]

The idea that inflation, which is happening worldwide, is somehow Biden’s fault is idiotic.

Why does Biden deserve two more years of Democratic control in Congress? We only have to look at the landmark bills that were passed, including infrastructure, which was a running joke under Trump, that never got it together.Then, there is codifying abortion rights, that have been eroded in right wing states. Then, there is getting more reasonable judges on the federal courts, to balance the shills and incompetent judges Trump nominated and McConnell pushed through.

If Republicans take any house of Congress, there will preoccupy themselves with the retribution tour — hearings on BLM and Hunter Biden, instead of governing. Voters deserve better.

You are a true cultist and waste of time always making excuses for poor performance. There was no worldwide inflation in 2021 and typical liberal economics of buying votes on top of a recovering economy and returning job market fueled the inflation and Biden's now 39% approval ratings. The public sees and feels the results liberals like you ignore reality and buy the rhetoric. Why do you never post data and context

 

[ElChupacabra]

Trump has the worst economic record of any modern US president going all the way back to Hoover

Well no, because the pandemic year didn't count. I mean the GDP growth under Carter was great if you snip the right data set and ignore others.

 

[TomFitz]

I gave you the numbers and the source of the information what you countered with was percentage change showing that you are also mathematically challenged. 2% growth in 14 trillion isn't the same as 2% growth on 19 trillion dollars, dollars matters, employment numbers matter not percentage change. You want to talk percentage change? what was the 2016 GDP percentage growth that Trump inherited? What was in it 2017-2018-2019?

You offer nothing but partisan bs as if being paid or a relative of Biden, which is it?

That information was provided. The rate of growth hardly budged.

That’s easy to docuement, as I already did. I can give you dozens of other sources.

Trump got a free ride on the economy.

I asked you to document the “policies” you credit with the imaginary growth you claim.

Predictably, you didn’t name a single one. BTW, empty generalizations don’t count, even though they’re one of your specialities.

 

[Peter]

So sorry that a supposed mature individual resorts to name calling against a person that has no personal involvement with. This is truly a health issue and needs to be addressed. Interesting how almost 2 years later such hatred exists that diverts from what we are all paying for today, Biden incompetence and results.

Yes because Republicans are all so mild-mannered and meek.
They certainly wouldn't have been even slightly rude to Obama, they wouldn't even dream of bringing up his Kenyan heritage.
They would dream of such a thing.

 

[TomFitz]

The idea that inflation, which is happening worldwide, is somehow Biden’s fault is idiotic. Inflation is higher in Britain under conservative rule.

Why does Biden deserve two more years of Democratic control in Congress? We only have to look at the landmark bills that were passed, including infrastructure, which was a running joke under Trump, that never got it together.Then, there is codifying abortion rights, that have been eroded in right wing states. Then, there is getting more reasonable judges on the federal courts, to balance the shills and incompetent judges Trump nominated and McConnell pushed through.

If Republicans take any house of Congress, there will preoccupy themselves with the retribution tour — hearings on BLM and Hunter Biden, instead of governing. Voters deserve better.

The GOP hasn’t had anything close to resembling a policy agenda in over a decade.

It had no party platform at all in 2020.

Earlier this year, McConnell announced that the GOP had not legislative agenda this year either.

 

[MTAtech]

Well no, because the pandemic year didn't count. I mean the GDP growth under Carter was great if you snip the right data set and ignore others.

In fact, Carter had 16% GDP growth. Remember the Carter boom? Neither do I.