[W:1142] Biden admin launching 'door-to-door' push to vaccinate Americans, sparks major backlash

[Conservative]

Incentive will do nothing but increase costs. To you. You depend on your private doctor, do you not? Explain the difference between dependence on public or private healthcare. Oh, and please also explain how UHC would compromise your 'freedom'. You do understand that in every nation with UHC there is also an expensive private option providing the same level of care by medics who underwent the same training as those in the public sector? Or maybe you don't. Now you do.
No, I suggest your concerns are simply a matter of principle for you, and not realistic objections.

Competition lowers costs and keeps the market in check, you have a very poor understanding of the private sector and no understanding of the actual GOVT costs in our current healthcare system. This is an issue for the U.S. not you. Find it quite interesting how Europeans like you want to give involved in U.S. issues none of which affect you.

This country became the greatest on the face of the earth due to focus on the private sector, small limited central gov't, individual wealth creation that people like you want to destroy simply because you need someone to take care of you and provide parenting that many in the left never got

 

[snakestretcher]

Competition lowers costs and keeps the market in check, you have a very poor understanding of the private sector and no understanding of the actual GOVT costs in our current healthcare system. This is an issue for the U.S. not you. Find it quite interesting how Europeans like you want to give involved in U.S. issues none of which affect you.

This country became the greatest on the face of the earth due to focus on the private sector, small limited central gov't, individual wealth creation that people like you want to destroy simply because you need someone to take care of you and provide parenting that many in the left never got

Oh please! Competition clearly does not lower costs as the jaw-droppingly expensive cost of both your medications and medical insurance proves. The rest of your rant is merely your worthless opinion and nothing more. This is an example of your "greatest on the face of the earth"...

The most expensive health care system in the world

The U.S. spends more on health care than all the other wealthy democracies in the world. But in spite of all that spending, life expectancy in the U.S lags behind that of its peer countries. And ma…

www.hsph.harvard.edu

U.S. Healthcare: Most Expensive and Worst Performing

In a new international ranking, the United Kingdom ranks first, while the U.S. performs poorly across almost all health metrics.

www.theatlantic.com

Why the American Healthcare System Underperforms

A healthcare system with high costs and less favorable outcomes undermines our economy and threatens our long-term fiscal and economic well-being.

www.pgpf.org

Kinda undermines your nationalist rhetoric, don't it?

 

[Conservative]

Oh please! Competition clearly does not lower costs as the jaw-droppingly expensive cost of both your medications and medical insurance proves. The rest of your rant is merely your opinion.

The most expensive health care system in the world

The U.S. spends more on health care than all the other wealthy democracies in the world. But in spite of all that spending, life expectancy in the U.S lags behind that of its peer countries. And ma…

www.hsph.harvard.edu

What is your experience to make that claim? Spent 35 years in the private sector actually competing with other competitors of employees, I see no evidence that you have any idea as to what you are talking about but then again you are a liberal and believe you are an expert on every issue. Biden has no business getting involved in state and local government issues. We got our freedoms from your country and that really pisses you off doesn't it

Have you ever researched the costs involved in our healthcare system and how much of it is regulation and gov't created?

 

[danielpalos]

Oh please! Competition clearly does not lower costs as the jaw-droppingly expensive cost of both your medications and medical insurance proves. The rest of your rant is merely your worthless opinion and nothing more. This is an example of your "greatest on the face of the earth"...

The most expensive health care system in the world

The U.S. spends more on health care than all the other wealthy democracies in the world. But in spite of all that spending, life expectancy in the U.S lags behind that of its peer countries. And ma…

www.hsph.harvard.edu

U.S. Healthcare: Most Expensive and Worst Performing

In a new international ranking, the United Kingdom ranks first, while the U.S. performs poorly across almost all health metrics.

www.theatlantic.com

Why the American Healthcare System Underperforms

A healthcare system with high costs and less favorable outcomes undermines our economy and threatens our long-term fiscal and economic well-being.

www.pgpf.org

Kinda undermines your nationalist rhetoric, don't it?

Would we have this particular problem involving that form of Commerce with equal protection of the laws for unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States. Being able to obtain unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed could mean every adult could purchase health insurance. With that form of full employment of capital resources markets would function more efficiently, and we should have no homeless problem.

 

[snakestretcher]

What is your experience to make that claim? Spent 35 years in the private sector actually competing with other competitors of employees, I see no evidence that you have any idea as to what you are talking about but then again you are a liberal and believe you are an expert on every issue. Biden has no business getting involved in state and local government issues. We got our freedoms from your country and that really pisses you off doesn't it

Have you ever researched the costs involved in our healthcare system and how much of it is regulation and gov't created?

Unlike you my career was spent in healthcare in the field of cervical cytopathology, so I'm well aware of which nation spends what and which performs best and which doesn't. The nation which routinely tops the charts for quality of healthcare is France with her excellent UHC. Please continue with your pathetic nationalistic rants if it makes you feel better. It still won't help you win an argument you're clearly losing.
Actually you got your 'freedoms' by adopting our constitution and bill of rights which, in turn, were inspired by the Magna Carta. You should be embarrassed by a foreigner schooling you.

Magna Carta and the U.S. Constitution - Magna Carta: Muse and Mentor | Exhibitions - Library of Congress

Magna Carta exercised a strong influence both on the United States Constitution and on the constitutions of the various states. However, its influence was shaped by what eighteenth-century Americans believed Magna Carta to signify.

www.loc.gov

 

[ElChupacabra]

Oh please! Competition clearly does not lower costs as the jaw-droppingly expensive cost of both your medications and medical insurance proves. The rest of your rant is merely your worthless opinion and nothing more. This is an example of your "greatest on the face of the earth"...

The most expensive health care system in the world

The U.S. spends more on health care than all the other wealthy democracies in the world. But in spite of all that spending, life expectancy in the U.S lags behind that of its peer countries. And ma…

www.hsph.harvard.edu

U.S. Healthcare: Most Expensive and Worst Performing

In a new international ranking, the United Kingdom ranks first, while the U.S. performs poorly across almost all health metrics.

www.theatlantic.com

Why the American Healthcare System Underperforms

A healthcare system with high costs and less favorable outcomes undermines our economy and threatens our long-term fiscal and economic well-being.

www.pgpf.org

Kinda undermines your nationalist rhetoric, don't it?

The irony being that competition for generic medications has been a big fight in the US, where companies try to eliminate the competition for cheap drugs Americans are traveling to Mexico and Canada to obtain. The medical industry profits from the healthcare status quo, and there's going to be no financial incentive to change that. The for profit model with insurance companies as the gate keepers to care will continue to keep things expensive, and limit access to healthcare which in turn drives the costs up due to the uninsured receiving healthcare via hospital emergency rooms. It's a boatload of dumb, and anyone remotely concerned about "results" would think this absurdly expensive and inefficient way to manage healthcare needs to be changed.

 

[Conservative]

Unlike you my career was spent in healthcare in the field of cervical cytopathology, so I'm well aware of which nation spends what and which performs best and which doesn't. The nation which routinely tops the charts for quality of healthcare is France with her excellent UHC. Please continue with your pathetic nationalistic rants if it makes you feel better. It still won't help you win an argument you're clearly losing.
Actually you got your 'freedoms' by adopting our constitution and bill of rights which, in turn, were inspired by the Magna Carta. You should be embarrassed by a foreigner schooling you.

Magna Carta and the U.S. Constitution - Magna Carta: Muse and Mentor | Exhibitions - Library of Congress

Magna Carta exercised a strong influence both on the United States Constitution and on the constitutions of the various states. However, its influence was shaped by what eighteenth-century Americans believed Magna Carta to signify.

www.loc.gov

No apparently you don't because you have no idea what control the FDA has over drugs, what control the gov't has over doctors, no control over the malpractice lawsuits, how many years and how much investment is required for new drugs or equipment on the market. You are a wage slave with no understanding of private business and costs.

 

[ElChupacabra]

What is your experience to make that claim? Spent 35 years in the private sector actually competing with other competitors of employees, I see no evidence that you have any idea as to what you are talking about but then again you are a liberal and believe you are an expert on every issue. Biden has no business getting involved in state and local government issues. We got our freedoms from your country and that really pisses you off doesn't it

Have you ever researched the costs involved in our healthcare system and how much of it is regulation and gov't created?

Which is relevant to the discussion about healthcare, how?

 

[danielpalos]

The irony being that competition for generic medications has been a big fight in the US, where companies try to eliminate the competition for cheap drugs Americans are traveling to Mexico and Canada to obtain. The medical industry profits from the healthcare status quo, and there's going to be no financial incentive to change that. The for profit model with insurance companies as the gate keepers to care will continue to keep things expensive, and limit access to healthcare which in turn drives the costs up due to the uninsured receiving healthcare via hospital emergency rooms. It's a boatload of dumb, and anyone remotely concerned about "results" would think this absurdly expensive and inefficient way to manage healthcare needs to be changed.

Why not have the public sector purchase the patent via eminent domain to lower drug costs to generic prices to the consumer?

 

[snakestretcher]

No apparently you don't because you have no idea what control the FDA has over drugs, what control the gov't has over doctors, no control over the malpractice lawsuits, how many years and how much investment is required for new drugs or equipment on the market. You are a wage slave with no understanding of private business and costs.

What "control"? If you mean professional oversight over the safety of your drugs, why is that a problem? You want your medications unregulated? Doctors, by the way, also have governing bodies (The Medical Board), and government oversight to protect YOU against malpractise or negligence-or would you prefer they were also left to their own devices, unsupervised?

 

[ElChupacabra]

Why not have the public sector purchase the patent via eminent domain to lower drug costs to generic prices to the consumer?

Patents usually take a long time to get access to, and I'm not sure what the monetary value of it would be.

 

[danielpalos]

Patents usually take a long time to get access to, and I'm not sure what the monetary value of it would be.

Something for real economists to evaluate? What "drug" firm would not benefit from a lump sum payment over longitudinal payments from individual consumers?

 

[ElChupacabra]

Something for real economists to evaluate? What "drug" firm would not benefit from a lump sum payment over longitudinal payments from individual consumers?

I'm not sure about the method you're proposing, so I don't have an informed opinion on how viable that would be. Just as a guess, I imagine drug companies would propose valuations on potential profits astronomically high, which would make something like what you're proposing cost prohibitive across the board.

 

[danielpalos]

I'm not sure about the method you're proposing, so I don't have an informed opinion on how viable that would be. Just as a guess, I imagine drug companies would propose valuations on potential profits astronomically high, which would make something like what you're proposing cost prohibitive across the board.

It is not like we don't have historical data and why wouldn't they accept some discount for the convenience of a lump sum?

 

[ElChupacabra]

It is not like we don't have historical data and why wouldn't they accept some discount for the convenience of a lump sum?

Not sure. This isn't a topic I'm well versed on, so I can't answer your questions.

 

[Conservative]

What "control"? If you mean professional oversight over the safety of your drugs, why is that a problem? You want your medications unregulated? Doctors, by the way, also have governing bodies (The Medical Board), and government oversight to protect YOU against malpractise or negligence-or would you prefer they were also left to their own devices, unsupervised?

Not a problem at all but costs as it takes about 7 years to get a drug approved here in this country. This isn't England, the people here will decide whether or not to support UHC, I do not as I believe it is my responsibility to take care of myself and my family, always did. I also understand people like you who don't understand that responsibility and prefer someone else paying for your healthcare

 

[jakiejakester]

Competition lowers costs and keeps the market in check, you have a very poor understanding of the private sector and no understanding of the actual GOVT costs in our current healthcare system. This is an issue for the U.S. not you. Find it quite interesting how Europeans like you want to give involved in U.S. issues none of which affect you.

This country became the greatest on the face of the earth due to focus on the private sector, small limited central gov't, individual wealth creation that people like you want to destroy simply because you need someone to take care of you and provide parenting that many in the left never got

It's awkward that you belittle someone from outside the US who has an opinion about whatever, i.e. healthcare yet YOU ACT AS IF YOU'RE AN EXPERT IN UHC IN ENGLAND AND CANADA! You think you know what UHC is like in those countries and all of Europe and you believe you have credibility but in the same post you attack someone who is not American for in your mind he knows shit about us. If that's true then your analysis of UHC in England and Canada means you know shit too...

 

[jakiejakester]

We got our freedoms from your country and that really pisses you off doesn't it

You didn't actually write this? You believe your own rant and attack? Why would anyone alive today who lives in England be pissed off because of a war that ended in 1783?

Your post has the trappings of jingoism - you actually believe that you're better than anyone who lives in the UK is less than you are? Your posts read that way.

Your post is at the same "smart" level as when Trump wanted a sitting US judge of Mexican descent to recuse himself because he was Mexican and that would prejudice Trump's case. SMART like your belief that someone on this board from England resents the US for beating that in 2 wars more than 200 years ago and shows how little you know about England. Except for Canada, the US has not stronger ally and whose people have great admiration for Americans as most Americans do for Brits...except you and others who write jingoism posts.

 

[Deuce]

Competition lowers costs and keeps the market in check, you have a very poor understanding of the private sector and no understanding of the actual GOVT costs in our current healthcare system. This is an issue for the U.S. not you. Find it quite interesting how Europeans like you want to give involved in U.S. issues none of which affect you.

This country became the greatest on the face of the earth due to focus on the private sector, small limited central gov't, individual wealth creation that people like you want to destroy simply because you need someone to take care of you and provide parenting that many in the left never got

It doesn't work for healthcare, because healthcare fundamentally is not a free market and never can be.

Every single country with UHC has a less costly system. Your claim flies in the face of literally every single example.

 

[Deuce]

Not a problem at all but costs as it takes about 7 years to get a drug approved here in this country. This isn't England, the people here will decide whether or not to support UHC, I do not as I believe it is my responsibility to take care of myself and my family, always did. I also understand people like you who don't understand that responsibility and prefer someone else paying for your healthcare

Hahaha this guy thinks the UK isn't a democracy.

 

[Conservative]

It doesn't work for healthcare, because healthcare fundamentally is not a free market and never can be.

Every single country with UHC has a less costly system. Your claim flies in the face of literally every single example.

Every single country has taxes funding their healthcare programs, taxes you don't see because you refuse to look, Why would you ever support giving the Federal Gov't more taxpayer money after what they did with SS and Medicare for year? You buy rhetoric because you want to believe the rhetoric whereas facts don't matter. There isn't a federal gov't run program that ever cost what it was supposed to cost, do what it was supposed to do, solve a problem and go away. That is reality that people want to ignore all because it is easier having someone else pay for your healthcare through taxes

 

[Conservative]

Hahaha this guy thinks the UK isn't a democracy.

Hahaha, this guy thinks the gov't is efficient and the money they spend doesn't come from taxes

 

[danielpalos]

It doesn't work for healthcare, because healthcare fundamentally is not a free market and never can be.

Every single country with UHC has a less costly system. Your claim flies in the face of literally every single example.

What if, Government solved simple poverty on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States and unemployment compensation was enough to cover some basic form of health insurance? More full employment of those capital resources should enable markets to be more efficient.

 

[MTAtech]

You didn't actually write this? You believe your own rant and attack? Why would anyone alive today who lives in England be pissed off because of a war that ended in 1783?

Your post has the trappings of jingoism - you actually believe that you're better than anyone who lives in the UK is less than you are? Your posts read that way.

Your post is at the same "smart" level as when Trump wanted a sitting US judge of Mexican descent to recuse himself because he was Mexican and that would prejudice Trump's case. SMART like your belief that someone on this board from England resents the US for beating that in 2 wars more than 200 years ago and shows how little you know about England. Except for Canada, the US has not stronger ally and whose people have great admiration for Americans as most Americans do for Brits...except you and others who write jingoism posts.

Not to mention that British troops and American troops fought together against the Nazis. My father served in a joint U.S./British camp in North Africa.

 

[Deuce]

Hahaha, this guy thinks the gov't is efficient and the money they spend doesn't come from taxes

UHC, in every single instance, costs less and covers more of the population. It is therefore, by definition, more efficient than our healthcare system.

I don’t care that the money comes from taxes. If the two options are “live in my house paying $2000/month to Wells Fargo” and “live in the same house paying $1500/month in taxes and also some strangers get to live in houses who weren’t able to live in before,” tell me what grand moral claim you’re making that says the first choice is better. I’m ready to hear it.