[W:1127] Justice Department says classified documents at Mar-a-Lago were likely ‘concealed and removed’ to block investigation

[Conservative]

I ask you once again... do you have some point?

Why not try an honest answer?

If you cannot see the point then you are truly a waste of time, why are you here? Biden performance is no where near what Trump generated and the American people are worse off today than they were with him in the WH in spite of his terrible personality and rhetoric. Policies and results matter

 

[Michael Cole]

If you cannot see the point then you are truly a waste of time, why are you here?

Justice Department says classified documents at Mar-a-Lago were likely ‘concealed and removed’ to block investigation​

Biden performance is no where near what Trump generated and the American people are worse off today than they were with him in the WH in spite of his terrible personality and rhetoric. Policies and results matter

Spooky shit.

 

[RealityNow]

Trump is too stupid to know, even Declassified Top Secret Documents does not belong in the hands of citizens, but fact is, he never declassifed those documents. HE STOLE THEM.

On top of stealing them... it will be uncovered exacly what he did with those from the empty folder, and any trade or sell of them or using them to try and cut personal deals for himself, "will be discovered"..

I hope they find everyone who is involved... and give them the highest penalty for "Treasonous Acts Against America".

• We don't need a war to be taking place, before a person is charged with Treason, and we need to understand that.

• People should find out who holds the licensing agreement trump profits from and boycott them and any companies they are involved with.
  • Ethic clauses in those agreements, should have "caused cancellation of those licensing agreement when he was first impeached"

 

[Fearandloathing]

Uh... are you kidding? Massive voter fraud. Tons of evidence for it. Deep state!! Hillary should be re-instated as POTUS for four years and then Biden should take back over.

Russian votes shouldn't count!!

(Why do I feel like making up a fake electoral slate right now or calling some Secretaries of State and demanding that they find more Hillary votes? I dunno. I'm just riding the wave, man.)

"Massive voter fraud."

Can you show is the "tons of evidence?"

I live in Canada and maybe I missed it, but the last I heard NO STATE has been able to document any voter fraud.

I'm pretty sure I'm correct since no Republican in recent memory has told the truth.


It will be totally fine if all you have are some quotes and a web site, I'm an experienced researcher but my efforts have not produced a single thread of evidence to support any voter fraud.

Now, if you don't supply that?

We will all know you're a liar and have zero credibility. So get it up friend, lets see the goodies.....

 

[Ambig]

Yes, the Trump economy gave us less than 2% inflation and 158.9 million employed.

There's no such thing as a Trump economy. It is an unthoughtful stance... to argue economics as if the Head Chief makes the economy as he likes it.

But here is some data for you to chew on:

Dow during Trump's administration: 19,173
Dow during Biden's administration: 36,231

Ipso facto and all.

The Biden economy gave us 9% inflation and 158.7 million employed two years after the pandemic occurred.

Yes, the TrumpCession, we call it. Destroyed the economy for the Dems to clean up, as seems to happen so often.

Americans are happy as hell to have jobs, especially after the last administration put the job market in the crapper, with Trump setting the record for most jobs lost, ever.

Biden's incompetence gave us a stimulus program on top of a returning job market and recovering economy creating the 2021 inflation

I don't think you are an economist. Just a tribalist trying to prove his Great Leader was the best of all Great Leaders.

Sorry, but that's my honest view of it.

 

[Ambig]

So what do we know about Trump from this? He likes to **** hot chicks, including porn stars, and he cheats on his wives and girlfriends throughout his life. This is something you'd care about if it wasn't Trump in the crosshairs?

Yes. Not all of us are tribalists, you know.

 

[Ambig]

Financial Progress Still Eluding Americans

Americans' belief that they are making financial progress has yet to recover after falling last year, with 41% saying they are better off than a year ago.

news.gallup.com

Again... do you have some point you'd like to make??

 

[Ambig]

Not so quick to respond when data and links are provided, are you? Now let's see if you have the maturity to admit being wrong

So you don't have a point??

 

[Conservative]

There's no such thing as a Trump economy. It is an unthoughtful stance... to argue economics as if the Head Chief makes the economy as he likes it.

But here is some data for you to chew on:

Dow during Trump's administration: 19,173
Dow during Biden's administration: 36,231

Ipso facto and all.

you are posting pandemic results

 

[What if...?]

How did Trump lock you out of work? Under what authority? Are you this civics challenged? Your state and city controlled the pandemic response, Trump's was to get us the vaccine and reimbursement of Covid expenses.

My industry shut down. First. Live entertainment.

Trump could have had his Apollo moment with Covid.

He chose to preen and divide us instead.

Further I paid $400 extra for my electric motorcycle due to his tariffs on China.

Which proves his idiocy again as he thought China paid them and not American consumers. You didn’t bitch about that inflation, did you?

 

[Conservative]

Again... do you have some point you'd like to make??

made it you ignored it

 

[Ambig]

If you cannot see the point then you are truly a waste of time

If you can't state your point, why are you here?

Biden performance is no where near what Trump generated and the American people are worse off today than they were with him in the WH in spite of his terrible personality and rhetoric. Policies and results matter

Americans are WAY better off now than during Trump's time. What are you talking about?

 

[Ambig]

"Massive voter fraud."

Can you show is the "tons of evidence?"

I live in Canada and maybe I missed it, but the last I heard NO STATE has been able to document any voter fraud.

I'm pretty sure I'm correct since no Republican in recent memory has told the truth.


It will be totally fine if all you have are some quotes and a web site, I'm an experienced researcher but my efforts have not produced a single thread of evidence to support any voter fraud.

Now, if you don't supply that?

We will all know you're a liar and have zero credibility. So get it up friend, lets see the goodies.....

You might want to read my message more closely. 2016 election.

 

[Kushinator]

So you don't have a point??

Of course not! Keep in mind, you are engaging the least respected member on this debate site. This person is actually trying to justify theft of classified/sensitive/secret documents by cherry-picking economic data points and ignoring anything that doesn't shine a positive light on his dear leader. Tribalism at this point is an understatement... these folks are cultists.

 

[Peacenik]

Justice Department says classified documents at Mar-a-Lago were likely 'concealed and removed' to block investigation

More than 320 classified documents have now been recovered from Mar-a-Lago, the Justice Department said

www.cnn.com

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Well, well, well.

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After discussion with some of my real-life friends (yes, we do have them - don't we?), my friends & I came to the general conclusion that the decision to prosecute Mr. Trump would come down to what DOJ believes Trump was going to do with the documents:

- Why did he take them?

- What was his motivation?

- Why those specific documents?

- Was there nefarious intent?

One friend in particular was promoting that it seemed many of the documents in Trump's possession were specifically sought-out (and taken), possibly implying nefarious intent. And, the discussion flowed from that.

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To that I've penned above, I find this new development from DOJ troubling. DOJ is claiming a selection of documents was segregated from the main cache subpoenaed in the storage room that Trump was told to return, and then were secreted-away. Many of this secreted cache were of the very highest National Security Classifications - including 'Top Secret' & 'SCI'. They were found after the first subpoenaed recovery, during the performance of the subsequent search under warrant. I think it might be worth noting that after the initial subpoenaed recovery, Trumps' lawyers signed an affidavit declaring all items taken were now returned.

I strongly believe in law & order, and while I detest obstruction-of-justice as much as any crime, those that defend criminals' actions often seem to attempt to portray process-crimes as less than fully criminal. The thought seems to be the government doesn't have adequate evidence to prevail in the primary crime, so it resorts to a secondary process-crime. I can understand the thrust of that argument, too-a-point.

But if Trump tried to segregate and secret-away specific documents that DOJ & the judge had ordered him to return, then my view of this case is going to change quite a bit.

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Here's the DOJ Filing:

(linked through the article)

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/22272789/doj-response-to-trump-special-master.pdf

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Here's a photo of the documents that the government claims were removed from the main cache of documents:

(Exhibit F in the Filing)

It doesn't matter what the intent was. The law was broken. This is serious stuff. Throw the book at him. If the court goes light on him it sends the wrong message. This is a high profile case. The public needs to see that we take this stuff seriously. This is not a parking ticket.

 

[Ambig]

you are posting pandemic results

Yeah, the Trumpdemic, we call it.

 

[Ambig]

made it you ignored it

you can't make a point by dumping cites on me.

have courage. speak your truth. yourself.

 

[Conservative]

My industry shut down. First. Live entertainment.

Trump could have had his Apollo moment with Covid.

He chose to preen and divide us instead.

Further I paid $400 extra for my electric motorcycle due to his tariffs on China.

Which proves his idiocy again as he thought China paid them and not American consumers. You didn’t bitch about that inflation, did you?

so sorry about that but why are you blaming Trump? Apollo moment? There is no comparison, Management 101 you cannot have responsibility without authority, sorry but you are looking for someone to blame, it shouldn't be the President. I got my first shot January 6, 2021 so thank you President Trump even though Abbott got the vaccine delivered to the state.

You really are a malcontent always looking for someone to blame for choices you made, who forced you to buy an electric motorcycle? Green energy is a choice and comes with costs, costs that you think someone else should bear. Still waiting for why your high state and local taxes should be fully deductible from your federal return giving you an advantage over Red states

 

[Conservative]

you can't make a point by dumping cites on me.

have courage. speak your truth. yourself.

I have spoken the truth, policies and results matter more than rhetoric and personality, I was better off as were most Americans under Trump, sorry you cannot see that as you are blinded by hatred that did no harm to you

 

[Conservative]

Yeah, the Trumpdemic, we call it.

That is what I expect the left to call it never accepting responsibility for anything and always being civics challenged.

 

[Conservative]

It doesn't matter what the intent was. The law was broken. This is serious stuff. Throw the book at him. If the court goes light on him it sends the wrong message. This is a high profile case. The public needs to see that we take this stuff seriously. This is not a parking ticket.

So does that cure your TDS and how does that make your life better?

 

[Ambig]

Of course not! Keep in mind, you are engaging the least respected member on this debate site.

Whew!! Thank you for that information. I was getting a little worried.

This person is actually trying to justify theft of classified/sensitive/secret documents by cherry-picking economic data points and ignoring anything that doesn't shine a positive light on his dear leader.

Proof that Trump is the Enemy of the American People.

Look what he's done to the most frail-minded among us.

Seriously. I am flabbergasted that he could make Americans believe there was election fraud simply by claiming that there was election fraud.

Scary stuff.

Tribalism at this point is an understatement... these folks are cultists.

Yeah, I was trying to be polite. I've got better stuff once I get the flavor of the forum.

 

[Fearandloathing]

You might want to read my message more closely. 2016 election.

Did you not say there is "tons of evidence"?

If not I apologize for the error, but if you did you ****ing well own it

 

[Ambig]

It doesn't matter what the intent was. The law was broken. This is serious stuff. Throw the book at him. If the court goes light on him it sends the wrong message. This is a high profile case. The public needs to see that we take this stuff seriously. This is not a parking ticket.

The rest of the world needs to know. If we do nothing to a guy as corrupt as Trump, the whole world will suffer, I think.

 

[Ambig]

I was better off as were most Americans under Trump, sorry you cannot see that as you are blinded by hatred that did no harm to you

No American was better off under Trump. Only a deluded tribalist would think so. I'm sorry.