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[W:1103] Netanyahu tells Israel ‘We are at war’ after Hamas launches an unprecedented attack on the country - Live Thread.

jaypatriot said:
What skin do you have in this conflict?
Are you a Muslim? Do you have relatives living in Gaza or the West Bank? Did you lose money in a tech startup run by Israeli technologists and now you're seeking revenge.?
Do you live near a synagogue and hate the fact that Islam is a product of the religion of Abraham and Jesus?
Do you have the same protective feelings toward Armenians, Rohingyas, Uyghurs, Kurds, or Yazidis? If not, why not? They're persecuted people condemned to suffer because of their religion. Or perhaps Palestinians are just another ethnic group on your list you are supposed to pity?
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The genocide of the Rohingya does not excuse the slaughter of Palestinians. Neither does the abuse of the Armenians by the Azeris or the other atrocities you listed.

The U.S. has chosen to include itself in the conflict. That is why it can’t be simply ignored, as you seem to wish.
 
jaypatriot said:
You might be referring to the Western nations grabbing the initiative in the 1930s and forcibly preventing Nazi Germany from re-arming and threatening all of Europe in the latter 1930s.
The analogy could be what the Western powers should do to Iran to prevent that country from continuing to support the proxy forces such as Hamas, Hezbollah, Houti rebels,and its Republican Guard that is harassing oil freighters in the Strait of Hormuz.
There is no international law which says Western powers should destroy Iran's ability to fund more terrorist groups outside of its territory... But it certainly would be a smart thing to do in order to prevent further tensions in the Middle East.
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Given that the Allies did no such thing, as the fact that World War Two, you know, happened , that’s a rather odd narrative.

No, going to war with Iran is not “wise”.
 
Variant said:
Your point is that they've never governed themselves to which I replied that they were not really given the chance.
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They were never given a chance to spend the tens of billions of dollars given to them by Western Europe, the U.S., and the Arabs over the years from 1994 to 2020.
Well boo-hoo. All that money and nothing to show for it.
Whose fault was that?

Where did all the money go? Weapons? Payments to families who sacrificed their sons to become martyrs? Money for weapons and tunnels into Israel?


International Aid to the Palestinians: Between Politicization and Development​


Aug 4, 2022 Omar Shaban
"According to figures compiled by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, aid to Palestinians amounted to more than $40 billion between 1994 and 2020.
Five Arab countries provided the bulk of Arab aid to the Palestinians between 1994 and 2020, totaling some $8.5 billion.
All of these countries are oil- and gas-rich, which not only gives them a central role in ensuring Palestinian well-being, but also enhances their potential to impact the Palestinian cause. The top donor during this period was Saudi Arabia at $4 billion, followed by the UAE ($2.1 billion), Algeria ($908 million), Qatar ($766 million), and Kuwait ($758 million).
The top Arab donor from 1994 to 2020 was Saudi Arabia at $4 billion, followed by the UAE ($2.1 billion), Algeria ($908 million), Qatar ($766 million), and Kuwait ($758 million)."
arabcenterdc.org

International Aid to the Palestinians: Between Politicization and Development

Following the signing of the Oslo Accords between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization in 1993, an international conference was held in Washington to assure the financial solvency of the newly-established Palestinian National Authority (PA). Key goals at the time included financing...
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Ethel2 said:
Really
Is beheading babies considered a war crime? How about shooting innocent unarmed civilians attending a music festival at point blank range-is that a war crime?
Personally, I think there are different levels of war crimes. Leveling buildings (which can be rebuilt) is FAR BELOW the level of murdering babies while the parents watch then murdering the parents too. 1000+ murdered Israelis.
Leveling Gaza City is fine with me, given the circumstances.
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You will not find a post where I support War Crimes
Nor support for Islamic terrorists
I am well aware of the atrocities that Hamas committed
Have no issue with Israel killing Hamas terrorists
Now, what about you and supporting War Crimes?
Razing the city would make Israel a pariah in the ME and many countries that fully support Israel. Many developed countries as well as the US would halt funds/weapons etc.

For those who approve of such crimes, would they step up and do the messy work of mass murder?

Not enough lipstick in the world to put on that pig
 
JANFU said:
You will not find a post where I support War Crimes
Nor support for Islamic terrorists
I am well aware of the atrocities that Hamas committed
Have no issue with Israel killing Hamas terrorists
Now, what about you and supporting War Crimes?
Razing the city would make Israel a pariah in the ME and many countries that fully support Israel. Many developed countries as well as the US would halt funds/weapons etc.

For those who approve of such crimes, would they step up and do the messy work of mass murder?

Not enough lipstick in the world to put on that pig
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Sure. Feel free to call it war crimes if that floats your boat.
As I wrote, war crimes are not all created equal. Beheading babies while the parents watch and shooting unarmed civilians at point blank range is quite a bit more serious than leveling buildings. And I don't give a rats ass if you agree. If the terrorists lined up at the border and presented themselves for arrest leveling buildings would not be necessary. I don't see anyone lining up........
 
The last thing Israel needs is another intifada
 
 
 
Ethel2 said:
Sure. Feel free to call it war crimes if that floats your boat.
As I wrote, war crimes are not all created equal. Beheading babies while the parents watch and shooting unarmed civilians at point blank range is quite a bit more serious than leveling buildings. And I don't give a rats ass if you agree. If the terrorists lined up at the border and presented themselves for arrest leveling buildings would not be necessary. I don't see anyone lining up........
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You sound angry
 
Tigerace117 said:
Gee, the deaths of millions of Soviet civilians, to name just one example.
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Given the position of Soviet civilians in the Ukraine war, I'm feeling less and less concern for them. At any rate, there doesn't appear to have been any benefit of international law in the WWII eastern front. Nor in the Ukraine war.
 
Apparently the US government is speaking with the Israeli government to try to arrange safe passage for the residents of Gaza. I have no idea where they would go-maybe into Egypt. Great move if it happens! Those that choose to remain should have their food, water, electricity, fuel, and internet service eliminated. No need for a ground invasion at all. Surrender will be happen in just a few days because the water will run out. Then the buildings in Gaza can be leveled without killing a lot of innocent people.
 
JANFU said:
You sound angry
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You should be angry too.
When I get angry I get focused, cold, and calculating. Hopefully some of what I am proposing is adopted by the IDF.
 
JANFU said:
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US forces will eventually go in to rescue US citizens and anyone else they can save. The tunnel system must be infiltrated and destroyed. There will be heavy casualties for the rescuers. Iran and Lebanon risk being leveled if they interfere.
 
Ethel2 said:
You should be angry too.
When I get angry I get focused, cold, and calculating. Hopefully some of what I am proposing is adopted by the IDF.
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I am
 
coyote505 said:
Given the position of Soviet civilians in the Ukraine war, I'm feeling less and less concern for them. At any rate, there doesn't appear to have been any benefit of international law in the WWII eastern front. Nor in the Ukraine war.
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There haven’t been Soviet citizens for thirty years, so that’s an awfully silly argument.

Especially since I was pointing out that the Eastern Front is what happens when you ignore international law.
 
Linc said:
US forces will eventually go in to rescue US citizens and anyone else they can save. The tunnel system must be infiltrated and destroyed. There will be heavy casualties for the rescuers. Iran and Lebanon risk being leveled if they interfere.
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Possibly but under Israeli control
 
Ethel2 said:
Sure. Feel free to call it war crimes if that floats your boat.
As I wrote, war crimes are not all created equal. Beheading babies while the parents watch and shooting unarmed civilians at point blank range is quite a bit more serious than leveling buildings. And I don't give a rats ass if you agree. If the terrorists lined up at the border and presented themselves for arrest leveling buildings would not be necessary. I don't see anyone lining up........
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Gee, given how many children would die from your “force them all out into the desert” plan…..
 
Linc said:
US forces will eventually go in to rescue US citizens and anyone else they can save. The tunnel system must be infiltrated and destroyed. There will be heavy casualties for the rescuers. Iran and Lebanon risk being leveled if they interfere.
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I'm sure there wll be international "lawyers" objecting to any use of poison gas for that purpose. However, plain old gasoline should work just as well, it enough of it is dumped into the tunnels, allowed to sit a while, and then lit.
 
Ethel2 said:
Apparently the US government is speaking with the Israeli government to try to arrange safe passage for the residents of Gaza. I have no idea where they would go-maybe into Egypt. Great move if it happens! Those that choose to remain should have their food, water, electricity, fuel, and internet service eliminated. No need for a ground invasion at all. Surrender will be happen in just a few days because the water will run out. Then the buildings in Gaza can be leveled without killing a lot of innocent people.
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www.theglobeandmail.com

U.S. says it is talking to Israel about safe passage for Gaza civilians

Gaza’s Health Ministry said at least 830 Palestinians were killed and up to 4,250 wounded in Israeli air strikes on the blockaded enclave since Saturday
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Israel was warned by Egypt, ignored it
Initially denied receiving the warnings
Now confirm they were warned
 
 
Tigerace117 said:
Gee, given how many children would die from your “force them all out into the desert” plan…..
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There are over 1000 dead Israelis now.
How many of them were children or babies?
 
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