[W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

[code1211]

re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

There is no such thing as an after birth abortion.

What is the term you prefer that describes the act of ending the life of a person that has already been born in the USA?

 

[code1211]

re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

As I stated it takes a highly trained and skilled Doctor to perform a clinic abortion after 22/24 weeks because the fetus has to be dead before starting contractions or before starting to remove the fetus or fetal material from the womb.

Hospitals are allowed to start contractions or a c-section on a non viable fetus and yes that qualifies as an abortion since it will be born dead.

But if it was by chance the premed/infant is born alive. Then the current law’s born-alive protections, requiring either “measures for life support for the product of such abortion or miscarriage “ or palliative care would given the premed/infant.

You keep talking about law or the current law.

I'm talking about the real world.

 

[Logician Man]

re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

What is the term you prefer that describes the act of ending the life of a person that has already been born in the USA?

One that actually applies as opposed to one that doesn't. ( like the one you're fallaciously using )

 

[code1211]

re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

Zef = Zygote/embro/fetus.

So, then, "zef" is a dehumanizing term that is applied to the little tiny people that have already been born to allow the conscious to be clean.

Thank you!

 

[code1211]

re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

Give me one example of a woman actually aborting that late because she "is having a bad day." Good grief.

Are you seriously asserting that a woman seeking an abortion on the day when the unborn child is crowning is NOT having a bad day?

 

[code1211]

re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

One that actually applies as opposed to one that doesn't. ( like the one you're fallaciously using )

Like the one that actually exists and the one in which born alive babies are killed by the attending physician(s).

I'm not arguing to end the availability of Abortion.

Only that we accept that what it is we are doing is what we are doing.

It's okay for you to lie to me. When you lie to yourself, you are in a bad place.

 

[Scrabaholic]

re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

"human being" and "person" are not exact synonyms. I've given my definition of "person" before, and generally repeating it creates more heat than light.

I have no problem w/ you having a different POV.

 

[Scrabaholic]

re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

It is murder that goes unpunished by law.

Incorrect. Murder, by definition, is an illegal act.

 

[Scrabaholic]

re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

Where do you acknowledge that it is?

Answer my question, which was asked first.

 

[Scrabaholic]

re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

So, then, "zef" is a dehumanizing term that is applied to the little tiny people that have already been born to allow the conscious to be clean.

No, it is an anacronym.

 

[Scrabaholic]

re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

Are you seriously asserting that a woman seeking an abortion on the day when the unborn child is crowning is NOT having a bad day?

Show that this ever happens.

 

[minnie616]

re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

If you mean ever, you are simply wrong.

If you mean in a particular time period of any duration, I am not sure how you intend to prove the negative.

Please pardon this image. It was used to convict Gosnell. "Baby Boy A". This was an "aborted" baby that required additional "care" to assure that he did not survive.

Please note * [image deleted by me]

I said no elective abortions occur past 24 weeks gestation. What Gosnell did was murder since the baby was born alive and then killed. He was not aborted. In fact Gosnell did not even try to abort those past 20 weeks. He induced labor and killed the babies that were born alive.

(I removed the image from your post because it is against forum rules to post or repost such images .)

 

[minnie616]

re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

Not the way the bill is presented by the person who wrote it.

Doesn’t matter since the Born Alive Federal Act overrules any and all state laws.

 

[minnie616]

re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

You keep talking about law or the current law.

I'm talking about the real world.

If criminals break laws They can put them in Jail.

Gosnell broke laws and is now spending the rest of his life in jail.

 

[year2late]

re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

If you mean ever, you are simply wrong.

If you mean in a particular time period of any duration, I am not sure how you intend to prove the negative.

Please pardon this image. It was used to convict Gosnell. "Baby Boy A". This was an "aborted" baby that required additional "care" to assure that he did not survive.

You do understand that Gosnell was convicted of his crimes, right? And did you hear a pushback on that from the pro-choice contingent?

What Gosnell did was against the law. Period. So what is your point? That crimes happen?

Having laws on the books do not prevent all crimes. He received life without parole plus 30 years. Where is the push back on that? There is none.

I am curious....do you support abortion clinic bombings and murdering doctors who perform abortions?

 

[year2late]

re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

Like the one that actually exists and the one in which born alive babies are killed by the attending physician(s).

I'm not arguing to end the availability of Abortion.

Only that we accept that what it is we are doing is what we are doing.

It's okay for you to lie to me. When you lie to yourself, you are in a bad place.

Gosnell is behind bars.

Killing a baby after birth is illegal.

Killing a baby after birth is not abortion.

 

[Angel]

re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

And I'm refuting it. Feel free to do so....it's a debate, that means that if I show you're wrong, you need to show where "I'm" wrong about your position or statements.

You've posted that it's morally acceptable for a woman to have an abortion if her life is endangered by the pregnancy...I just posted that factually, every single pregnancy is exactly that...a threat to her life that cannot be predicted or prevented.

I just posted why your statements are wrong...feel free to refute them.

I showed you the error of your thinking a hundred posts ago, and yet here you're just repeating the same fallacy. Is that what "debate" means to you, repeating talking points after they've been shot down, in the hope no one will notice?

 

[Angel]

re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

Answer my question, which was asked first.

Answer my question, which was asked second. What is this, kindergarten?

 

[Logician Man]

re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

Like the one that actually exists and the one in which born alive babies are killed by the attending physician(s).

I'm not arguing to end the availability of Abortion.

Only that we accept that what it is we are doing is what we are doing.

It's okay for you to lie to me. When you lie to yourself, you are in a bad place.

What did I lie to you about, if anything ?

 

[Wan]

re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

Incorrect. Murder, by definition, is an illegal act.

Laws can be wrong, too. You are supposed to use your own faculties (if you have any) to decide for yourself whether abortion is murder.

I will give you a hint: it is. Abortion is the deliberate killing of a live human. And the deliberate killing of a live human is murder. Therefore, abortion is murder. And note that during the whole thing, I made no reference to laws, and it's because laws are not required to determine whether abortion is murder.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

Laws can be wrong, too. You are supposed to use your own faculties (if you have any) to decide for yourself whether abortion is murder.

I will give you a hint: it is. Abortion is the deliberate killing of a live human. And the deliberate killing of a live human is murder. Therefore, abortion is murder. And note that during the whole thing, I made no reference to laws, and it's because laws are not required to determine whether abortion is murder.

So, IOW, because you have no argument and you have to make believe words mean things that they don't, abortion is not murder.

Thanks for clearing that up!

 

[Wan]

re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

So, IOW, because you have no argument and you have to make believe words mean things that they don't, abortion is not murder.

Thanks for clearing that up!

I am sorry to hear that you failed to see the logic that I have laid out to prove that abortion is murder.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

I am sorry to hear that you failed to see the logic that I have laid out to prove that abortion is murder.

I'm sorry to see that you understand nothing of logic and are compelled to pretend that words mean something they don't.

Sorry as well that you couldn't actually prove that abortion is murder.

Please fail less.

 

[Wan]

re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

I'm sorry to see that you understand nothing of logic and are compelled to pretend that words mean something they don't.

Sorry as well that you couldn't actually prove that abortion is murder.

Please fail less.

I have already explained things in the simplest possible way, if you still don't see the logic then I cannot help you.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

I have already explained things in the simplest possible way, if you still don't see the logic then I cannot help you.

No, you haven't. To assert that you did is to lie.

Oh, well. Looks like my observations were spot on.