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[W:1][W:11][W:368] Russia invades Ukraine: Live Thread

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jpn said:
They have no chance of holding on to anything Russia chooses to capture, despite amazing Ukrainian bravery. They have no air power, no sea control, and limited resupply. This will be over in days. Alas.
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I disagree. But I guess we will see how it plays out.
 
TearItAllDown said:
I'm pretty sure when all this has played out the Ukraine will regret their involvement with the US starting with the coup in 2014. All they had to do is be neutral and all this could have been avoided. But, they listened to all the political lies for 8 years and now they will realize that they were just a pawn in a much larger game.
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Here are your pom poms.

The cheer is:

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donhughesmusic said:
Let's say Putin does succeed in toppling the Ukrainian government... does he then go into Poland or any of the Baltic States to try and reconstitute a new Soviet Union? If so, that is NATO and the world is at war again.
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Never. He's not insane.
 
jpn said:
Keep your heads down and minimize casualties while giving up ground grudgingly. The end is certain, it's just a matter of time, and just a matter of the number of casualties you're willing to accept--military and civilian.
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I think Putin is just sitting in his office drinking coffee and just deciding how many people he wants to murder and how much land he wants to take.
 
Napoleon said:
Obviously not. They’re still putzing around in the West while Kyiv is undefended.
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You should learn how to say that you don't know. It's not hard.
 
Allan said:
We'll know in about 20 minutes what the North American markets do. Asia markets were lower overnight from -2% to almost -5%. European between -3% and -5%.

I think to some degree investors have already baked this war into their portfolios so we're not going to see a really crazy drop today.
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The market is dropping similar to what happened in Asia and Europe. +/- 3% down. If it's any consolation the Russian markets lost a third of their value overnight. Putin's buddies are going to have to sell some yachts and airplanes.
 
Ikari said:
The bad news for Russia is that their stock market is crashing and the ruble has plunged to record lows.
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What happened after Crimea?
 
jpn said:
Or maybe they are choosing to not take pointless casualties.
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I don’t know what that’s supposed to mean in the context of leaving the entire Eastern half of their country, including their Capitol, undefended. What is more pointless about that than the Donbas?
 
This crashing Russian economy may very well start an internal revolution.

Being poor doesn't cause people to rebel. But becoming poor does.
 
CaughtInThe said:
You should learn how to say that you don't know. It's not hard.
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If you're ever lost in a strange city, don't ask him for a helping hand. He'll confidently give you directions to the town dump.
 
Yakshi said:
If you're ever lost in a strange city, don't ask him for a helping hand. He'll confidently give you directions to the town dump.
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On purpose. Because you don’t solicit opinions about new military strategy and act like shifting the goal posts to 1930s military strategy demands is a refutation.
 
jpn said:
They have no chance of holding on to anything Russia chooses to capture, despite amazing Ukrainian bravery. They have no air power, no sea control, and limited resupply. This will be over in days. Alas.
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It is a shame too, while many on this forum have for years called for ukraine buying expensive american gear, I advocated them rebuilding their old soviet gear with the help of poland bulgaria and hungary. The soviet union left ukraine enough gear to actually have a solid chance against the russians, but that gear does no good when you claim you have 1200 tanks but only 100 of them actually work, or you claim you have 1500 let's say combat aircraft but only 7 fighter jets can actually fly.

In many ways tech does not win the fight, discipline and training and numbers do, and even with older soviet gear outdated compared to what the russians have, ukraine if it had kept that gear functional could have bridged the gap through training discipline and doctrine. Instead they let everything go to waste and the vast majority of their aircraft and armor was either non functional in storage or non functional in an airfield or motorpool.

Some javelin and stinger missiles were never going to save them, they had every means already that they let rot, and they had allies in nato willing to help who had access to the parts needed to repair their broken rotting away soviet gear. Ukraine has no one but themselves to blame for this by choosing to leave themselves mostly defenseless even years after crimea was annexed.
 
poweRob said:
This crashing Russian economy may very well start an internal revolution.

Being poor doesn't cause people to rebel. But becoming poor does.
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Putin asked the head of his national security services if he had the support of the people for an action in Ukraine.

The guy couldn't stop stuttering.
 
CaughtInThe said:
I think Putin is just sitting in his office drinking coffee and just deciding how many people he wants to murder and how much land he wants to take.
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Check out this gaslight...
www.themoscowtimes.com

Russia Hopes to 'Cleanse' Ukraine of 'Nazis,' Says Putin's Spokesman - The Moscow Times

Vladimir Putin’s press secretary Dmitry Peskov has told journalists that Russia hopes to “cleanse [Ukraine] of Nazis” hours after Russian forces attacked the country after months of rising tensions.
www.themoscowtimes.com www.themoscowtimes.com
 
jpn said:
Never. He's not insane.
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Your assumption that one must be insane to advance Russian aggression into Poland is very... unaware, shall I say.

Putin has far greater capabilities to accomplish this than we have abilities to stop him. Seek out some of my posts from last week for edification on the subject.
 
poweRob said:
This crashing Russian economy may very well start an internal revolution.

Being poor doesn't cause people to rebel. But becoming poor does.
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Well something needs to happen in Russia. Putin is running around thinking himself some tsar and of the Russian people ain't happy with that, then the Russian people will need to do something about it.
 
Yakshi said:
If you tried to do it on purpose, he'd end up where he wanted to go.
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I doubt it. Anyone posing dumb demands like the precise latitude and longitude Ukraine should concentrate all of its forces in a 3-front war like nobody learned anything in WW2 should just stay home.
 
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