• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Vote Pro-Choice - Personally Pro-Life[W:479]

Vote Pro-Choice - Personally Pro-Life

  • I'm a male - that describes me

    Votes: 10 31.3%

  • I'm a female - that describes me

    Votes: 8 25.0%

  • I'm a male - that's impossible

    Votes: 8 25.0%

  • I'm a female - that's impossible

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Lies, lies, and more lies....

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • snot rocket

    Votes: 6 18.8%
  • Total voters
    32
Re: Vote Pro-Choice - Personally Pro-Life

It's hard to understand, because some people don't understand the concept of supporting rights to do something which they personally find distasteful. Whether left or right, they can't imagine that a decent thinking person could disagree with them, and they feel better if they are marching in a group.
 
Re: Vote Pro-Choice - Personally Pro-Life

Dragonfly said:
Why is that so hard for SOME people to understand?
Click to expand...

I get it, actually. If you believe that abortion is the murder of a baby it's sort of hard to be pro-choice about it. The analogy would be like me supporting your right to fire nuns out of cannons, but I just wouldn't do it myself.
 
Re: Vote Pro-Choice - Personally Pro-Life

Cardinal said:
I get it, actually. If you believe that abortion is the murder of a baby it's sort of hard to be pro-choice about it. The analogy would be like me supporting your right to fire nuns out of cannons, but I just wouldn't do it myself.
Click to expand...

Abortions different than shooting a nun out of a cannon though. There's two rights at stake and either way you are going to be trampling on one to protect the rights of the other. I don't think legally you should be able to force someone to keep a living growing human attached to them and feeding off of them for any period of time but I do think ending that life is wrong. Instead of going about it by forcing them to keep the human alive until viability I think we need to work on changing societal views, that and providing incentives for the woman to carry to term.
 
Re: Vote Pro-Choice - Personally Pro-Life

Monserrat said:
Abortions different than shooting a nun out of a cannon though. There's two rights at stake and either way you are going to be trampling on one to protect the rights of the other. I don't think legally you should be able to force someone to keep a living growing human attached to them and feeding off of them for any period of time but I do think ending that life is wrong. Instead of going about it by forcing them to keep the human alive until viability I think we need to work on changing societal views, that and providing incentives for the woman to carry to term.
Click to expand...

I didn't come here to debate abortion. I was just saying that...IF...you believe that abortion is the murder of a baby, then being pro-choice is understandably a hard pill to swallow.
 
Re: Vote Pro-Choice - Personally Pro-Life

Cardinal said:
I get it, actually. If you believe that abortion is the murder of a baby it's sort of hard to be pro-choice about it. The analogy would be like me supporting your right to fire nuns out of cannons, but I just wouldn't do it myself.
Click to expand...

I'd compare it more to living with your girlfriend before marriage. Some people are against it, but it's still legal.
 
Re: Vote Pro-Choice - Personally Pro-Life

rocket88 said:
I'd compare it more to living with your girlfriend before marriage. Some people are against it, but it's still legal.
Click to expand...

I think the level of perceived offense is rather different.

By the way, I don't know if this matters at all, but I'm pro-choice for the record.
 
Re: Vote Pro-Choice - Personally Pro-Life

Cardinal said:
I didn't come here to debate abortion. I was just saying that...IF...you believe that abortion is the murder of a baby, then being pro-choice is understandably a hard pill to swallow.
Click to expand...

and I was just posting the opposing views :shrug:
 
Re: Vote Pro-Choice - Personally Pro-Life

Dragonfly said:
Why is that so hard for SOME people to understand?
Click to expand...
I understand it perfectly. The first describes you position on policy, that there should be a choice, and the second describes the choice you would likely make for yourself.

Thing is, to pro-life, what choice you would make for yourself doesn't matter, because no choice should be available at all. That's what "Pro-Choice - Personally Pro-Life" folks have a hard time understanding.
 
Re: Vote Pro-Choice - Personally Pro-Life

I agree with Jerry. Don't faint, Jerry LOL. The definition of 'prolife' is that you are opposed to legalised abortion. A better phrase might be 'vote pro-choice, personally anti-abortion'.
 
Re: Vote Pro-Choice - Personally Pro-Life

Cardinal said:
I think the level of perceived offense is rather different.

By the way, I don't know if this matters at all, but I'm pro-choice for the record.
Click to expand...

True, it is different, but I think it's similar in certain ways.

I am personally pro-life, but I believe that it's not the business of the government to tell you how to live.
 
Re: Vote Pro-Choice - Personally Pro-Life

Jerry said:
I understand it perfectly. The first describes you position on policy, that there should be a choice, and the second describes the choice you would likely make for yourself.

Thing is, to pro-life, what choice you would make for yourself doesn't matter, because no choice should be available at all. That's what "Pro-Choice - Personally Pro-Life" folks have a hard time understanding.
Click to expand...

I do understand that about pro-life people. What I dont understand is how they can minimize and disrespect women's basic rights so much when they do so.

Well, I can....many just look at women who get pregnant and are prepared to be as sluts or loose women that deserve to be punished with the consequences of their actions. Which is even more sickening and disrespectful.
 
Re: Vote Pro-Choice - Personally Pro-Life

Lursa said:
I do understand that about pro-life people. What I dont understand is how they can minimize and disrespect women's basic rights so much when they do so.

Well, I can....many just look at women who get pregnant and are prepared to be as sluts or loose women that deserve to be punished with the consequences of their actions. Which is even more sickening and disrespectful.
Click to expand...
When you don't think someone should have a right, that right is easy to disrespect, just like pro-choice disrespect the unborn's right to life.
 
Re: Vote Pro-Choice - Personally Pro-Life

Jerry said:
When you don't think someone should have a right, that right is easy to disrespect, just like pro-choice disrespect the unborn's right to life.
Click to expand...

Yes, it's very insulting to think that so many people put the unborn ahead of women.

I guess women still do have some ground to cover before they are treated as more than broodmares, 2nd class citizens. Thankfully SCOTUS has ruled in our favor at least.
 
Re: Vote Pro-Choice - Personally Pro-Life

Monserrat said:
Abortions different than shooting a nun out of a cannon though. There's two rights at stake and either way you are going to be trampling on one to protect the rights of the other. I don't think legally you should be able to force someone to keep a living growing human attached to them and feeding off of them for any period of time but I do think ending that life is wrong. Instead of going about it by forcing them to keep the human alive until viability I think we need to work on changing societal views, that and providing incentives for the woman to carry to term.
Click to expand...

this is the fact some will never admit
 
Re: Vote Pro-Choice - Personally Pro-Life

Lursa said:
It was about a woman's right to privacy, specifically between her and her doctor but thank you for proving my point.
Click to expand...
That's a fairly desperate and pathetic attempt to recover from a threat which was never there.
 
Re: Vote Pro-Choice - Personally Pro-Life

Jerry said:
That's a fairly desperate and pathetic attempt to recover from a threat which was never there.
Click to expand...

But it worked :)
 
Re: Vote Pro-Choice - Personally Pro-Life

Cardinal said:
I didn't come here to debate abortion. I was just saying that...IF...you believe that abortion is the murder of a baby, then being pro-choice is understandably a hard pill to swallow.
Click to expand...

I don't think it is - a lot of people side with pro-choice but opt for abortions and support pro-choice rulings in private (well - secret - rather).
 
Re: Vote Pro-Choice - Personally Pro-Life

AGENT J said:
this is the fact some will never admit
Click to expand...

I know and you really can't get anywhere in the debate if you can't at least acknowledge that there is more than one side, that there's at least some validity to the basic positions taken in both.
 
Re: Vote Pro-Choice - Personally Pro-Life

It's really as simple as this train of thought:

"I personally would never have an abortion, but I don't feel it's my place to make that decision for other people."

or

"I'd personally never ask/wish for my girlfriend/wife/date to abort our pregnancy, but I don't feel it's my place to make that decision for other people."

or

"I personally think it's wrong to abort a pregnancy, but I understand that there are some situations where others might feel differently."


A large part of "CHOICE" can be, and certainly is, choosing to actually have the baby.
 
Re: Vote Pro-Choice - Personally Pro-Life

Aunt Spiker said:
I don't think it is - a lot of people side with pro-choice but opt for abortions and support pro-choice rulings in private (well - secret - rather).
Click to expand...

But that's what choice is...right?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom