In a recent interview on the podcast Ladies Like Us, rapper T.I. was asked if he has broached the topic of sex with his two daughters. In response, he declared that he had not only had “the conversation” with his 18-year-old daughter, Deyjah, but that they “have yearly trips to the gynecologist to check her hymen.”
What T.I. is referring to is known as a “virginity test” — a gynecological procedure intended to determine whether a woman has had vaginal intercourse — and it’s not as uncommon as you might think. The procedure involves a medical professional inserting their fingers or a speculum into a woman’s vagina to inspect her hymen, a thin piece of tissue at the opening. The assumption is that if the hymen is intact, the woman is still a virgin; if it’s torn, she’s not.
And yet, the tests still aren’t obsolete — even in the United States. For an investigation into virginity testing, Marie Claire and the Fuller Project interviewed dozens of women and medical professionals, and discovered that the procedure is still being carried out across the country, often in religious communities where parents ask doctors to perform the procedure to determine whether or not a woman is eligible for marriage. Furthermore, the investigation found that the U.S. has no laws banning the procedure, nor guidelines from major medical associations “to help physicians and nurses navigate the ethical and legal minefield that is virginity testing.”
When doctors legitimize virginity by conducting fake tests for it, they arguably uphold one of the oldest lies used to control women: that whether or not a woman has had sexual intercourse determines worth.”
Is there actually a Dad that wants to know? :2sick1:I don't think there is a gynecologist in America who'd tell a dad his daughter had lost her hymen.
Is there actually a Dad that wants to know? :2sick1:
I'm sorry, who?T.I. does. And he's a creepy misogynist.
I'm sorry, who?
You realize that men are also commanded (and expected) to be virgins prior to marriage? There's just no test for it.Can any christian here defend this shameful practice of no worth that has only the purpose of continuing the superstitious belief of christian men's superiority and ownership of women?
Textbook perfect solution fallacy.No medical procedure exists that can accurately determine if a woman—or a man, for that matter—is a virgin.
Textbook perfect solution fallacy.
You realize that men are also commanded (and expected) to be virgins prior to marriage? There's just no test for it.
As for why virginity is important: knock yourself out. :coffeepap
Christianity is a bizzare religion with many weird ideas. Some are harmless and of no concern. But others like this one are harmful, treating woman as objects valued for their virginity. Can any christian here defend this shameful practice of no worth that has only the purpose of continuing the superstitious belief of christian men's superiority and ownership of women?
You realize that men are also commanded (and expected) to be virgins prior to marriage?
A rap music artist concerned about their daughter's virginity.
Okay then...:lamo
the procedure is still being carried out across the country, often in religious communities where parents ask doctors to perform the procedure to determine whether or not a woman is eligible for marriage.
I don't think there is a gynecologist in America who'd tell a dad his daughter had lost her hymen.
You realize that men are also commanded (and expected) to be virgins prior to marriage? There's just no test for it.
As for why virginity is important: knock yourself out. :coffeepap
I'm sorry, who?
Christianity is a bizzare religion with many weird ideas. Some are harmless and of no concern. But others like this one are harmful, treating woman as objects valued for their virginity. Can any christian here defend this shameful practice of no worth that has only the purpose of continuing the superstitious belief of christian men's superiority and ownership of women?
It's a mad world.
You might as well argue that since tests for cancer, AIDS, and STDs admit a known percentage of false negatives and false positives, sometimes with grave consequences, we ought to avoid testing for cancer, AIDS, and STDs.Its worse than useless if in fact you can have false results either way. There is no way to preclude a jog in the park a year ago from damaging a hymen. There is no way to ensure a sex act leads to a rupture.
Has he said this?Of course, he doesn't care if his son has sex, which is just a sexist double standard.
You might as well argue that since tests for cancer, AIDS, and STDs admit a known percentage of false negatives and false positives, sometimes with grave consequences, we ought to avoid testing for cancer, AIDS, and STDs.
For the argument to have merit, you have to quantify how often false positives and false negatives occur, and whether they can be detected in other ways.
Now... I'm not necessarily arguing in favour of virginity testing in an era where premarital sex isn't prohibited by law. It strikes me as a breach of privacy and trust. But if you're going to argue against it, you're going to have to rely on something other than "It returns false positives and false negatives in some indeterminate percentage of cases."--which is true of literally every medical diagnostic known to man.
Why is it that the worth of women hinges on our ****ability, but that doesn't apply to the men who are judging us?
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