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Yes .. let's pretend that rap music isn't offensive .. unless you're a black American listening to it, where the language is more internal or tribal. Get real dude ..yes you seem too based on the hilarious failed response you made
dont need to your triggered deranged strawman is meaningless to the topic LAMO
quick post another failed triggered strawman!!!
Is this guy racist? Using the actual definition of racism - discriminating against a race because he/she feels they are not equal? Seems to be the case, and that's completely subjective. The broader and more holistic focus should be on the limitations of free speech rights (holistic) as opposed to a specific case (subjective and specific)Really? You think so? I think the word you are looking for is racist.
So you're telling me if you moved into a Black majority neighborhood and one of your Black neighbors setup a loud speaker motion triggered system. So every time you leave your house a splotlight highlights you, a big neon sign lights up saying "KILL YOURSELF " and a loud speaker blared "Whitey alert! Whitey alert! The Whitey has left his house; all POC are advised to take cover to avoid being shot." If that happened, you think that should just be allowed to continue indefinitely with no consequences?
His "message" is directly targeted at a specific, individual family and is obviously intended as nothing but intimidation and harassment at that level. That isn't free political speech.Yes .. let's pretend that rap music isn't offensive .. unless you're a black American listening to it, where the language is more internal or tribal. Get real dude ..
This neighbor is a douche .. yet .. his message is centric on First Amendment rights and it's a beautiful thing we can do -- something no other country in the world can do.
Rap music is racist? Many people are so laser focused on what is / isn't racism, and what it boils down to is .. I disagree with you on black / brown people and/or what your saying is bad.And, there we have it folks. Our first racist comment.
He didn't walk up to this guy, call him the n-word then walk away. Explain how shining a spotlight onto someone else's home like that is "free speech."The broader and more holistic focus should be on the limitations of free speech rights (holistic) as opposed to a specific case (subjective and specific)
Who mentioned listening to music besides you, oh thats right NOBODY LMAO get real dude your retarded strawman completely fails. Get real dudeYes .. let's pretend that rap music isn't offensive .. unless you're a black American listening to it, where the language is more internal or tribal. Get real dude ..
This neighbor is a douche .. yet .. his message is centric on First Amendment rights and it's a beautiful thing we can do -- something no other country in the world can do.
I'm still seeing subjective vs. objective language. It's objective to say, these neighbors have broken no laws, it's subjective to say what they are doing is offensive and douchbag-ish. What should the outcome be and how will that apply to other related scenarios / outcomes?His "message" is directly targeted at a specific, individual family and is obviously intended as nothing but intimidation and harassment at that level. That isn't free political speech.
Yes .. because the music, which called out "nigger" and other language was suppressed. C'mon man. Really? Do you agree or disagree that much of rap music includes lyrics with racial terms like "nigger?" Black Americans can call black Americans that .. and any other use is racist. Get a grip.Who mentioned listening to music besides you, oh thats right NOBODY LMAO get real dude your retarded strawman completely fails. Get real dude
Post another one!!
Figures YOU would go in that directionIs this a douchebag thing to do .. absolutely. I've had these type of neighbors who are obnoxious and don't care about being quiet. While First Amendment rights can lead to offensive language / encounters, my question would be .. Is this individual playing rap music lyrics, which tend to include these types of lyrics?
Yes .. I support First Amendment rights to free speech, and sometimes, I don't agree with the message.Figures YOU would go in that direction
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Whataboutism gives a clue to its meaning in its name. It is not merely the changing of a subject to deflect away from an earlier subject as a political strategy; it’s essentially a reversal of accusation, arguing that an opponent is guilty of an offense just as egregious or worse than what the original party was accused of doing, however unconnected the offenses may be.and how will that apply to other related scenarios / outcomes?
"music"?Yes .. because the music, which called out "nigger" and other language was suppressed. C'mon man. Really? Do you agree or disagree that much of rap music includes lyrics with racial terms like "nigger?" Black Americans can call black Americans that .. and any other use is racist. Get a grip.
It is objective that he is intruding upon his neighbor's right to be free and secure in enjoying his own property.I'm still seeing subjective vs. objective language. It's objective to say, these neighbors have broken no laws, it's subjective to say what they are doing is offensive and douchbag-ish. What should the outcome be and how will that apply to other related scenarios / outcomes?
Think holistically instead of individual scenario as this WILL determine the final outcome on limitation of saying whatever we want to .. regardless if it's offensive or not. Today it may be .. "we don't want people to play offensive rap music from the black community ... with strobe lights and other offensive things ..." tomorrow .. it will continue to transform into .. we can't say bad or offensive things about X (e.g. politicians, groups, outcomes, etc.).
Choose your poison .. and to be clear... this neighbor is a douche and taking things to the extreme, and on the flip side .. offensive language / actions are a good thing for free speech.
No Whataboustism included .. Do you support offensive language or not as free speech regardless if you don't agree with it? Obvious, there are limits and those have been established.Whataboutism gives a clue to its meaning in its name. It is not merely the changing of a subject to deflect away from an earlier subject as a political strategy; it’s essentially a reversal of accusation, arguing that an opponent is guilty of an offense just as egregious or worse than what the original party was accused of doing, however unconnected the offenses may be.
The tactic behind whataboutism has been around for a long time. Rhetoricians generally consider it to be a form of tu quoque, which means "you too" in Latin and involves charging your accuser with whatever it is you've just been accused of rather than refuting the truth of the accusation made against you. Tu quoque is considered to be a logical fallacy, because whether or not the original accuser is likewise guilty of an offense has no bearing on the truth value of the original accusation.
What about 'whataboutism'?
If everyone is guilty of something, is no one guilty of anything?www.merriam-webster.com
Perhaps .. because local law enforcement has said he's not broken any laws? I don't .. maybe?It is objective that he is intruding upon his neighbor's right to be free and secure in enjoying his own property.
How do you come to your claim that this guy has broken no law ? Noise and nuisance ordinances are a thing, at the very least.
Here in PA this could easily be dealt with
Disorderly Conduct in Pennsylvania
In Pennsylvania, disorderly conduct can include making obscene gestures, screaming, and urinating in public. Generally, disorderly conduct laws criminalize behavior that is likely to upset, anger, or annoy others. However, Pennsylvania's disorderly conduct law is not intended to criminalize any behavior that is irritating or obnoxious, but only behavior that disrupts the peace and quiet of the community. Pennsylvania also has laws against disrupting meetings and rioting
Dont know what the laws are in VA nothing being done seems super shady if the story is accurate . .It is objective that he is intruding upon his neighbor's right to be free and secure in enjoying his own property.
How do you come to your claim that this guy has broken no law ? Noise and nuisance ordinances are a thing, at the very least.
you are free to find it ironic, in PA this fits and it should, it would also be harassment which it also should be"Disorderly conduct' laws are getting struck down and gutted all over the country as "catch all" ordinances which basically affect poor people and people of color in selective prosecutions, so I find your quoting a disorderly conduct law here in this topic pretty ironic.
In this Virginia Beach case I don't see anything that the homeowner is doing to be criminal, however I'm pretty sure the victims of his verbal attacks could find relief in a civil court in front of a jury, and very likely win a sizable punitive judgment as well. In a civil case all that needs to be proven is a perponderance of evidence that this man is not allowing his neighbors to enjoy their home and property without constant malicious harassment.
Local law enforcement too often is ignorant of the law, or highly selective in enforcement.Perhaps .. because local law enforcement has said he's not broken any laws? I don't .. maybe?
Regardless .. if this douche is violating those ordinances, shouldn't the conversation be on that instead of his douche-bagness of engaging groups of people he apparently doesn't care for. Note .. we don't know WHY is he is doing this .. people are just focused on the subjective nature of race.
Okay .. free speech and offensive behavior aside .. what has this guy done wrong?Local law enforcement too often is ignorant of the law, or highly selective in enforcement.
This guy isn't engaging groups of people. He's targeting a specific family, and it seems obvious his intent is harassment. The poster who suggested a civil complaint as perhaps the best course is probably right.
Reminds me of the movie "Pacific Heights", only with a Klan flavor enhancer.Police have been called multiple times and state that no laws are being broken. The neighbor has been publically identified as an unemployed 47 yo living with his mother. Wonder what his next gig will be?
Shocking Virginia Beach video shows John Eskildsen taunting neighbours
A Virginia Beach man, identified as John Eskildsen, has reportedly harassed neighbours with a motion sensor that triggers 'racial slurs and monkey noises'.www.hitc.com
Okay .. free speech and offensive behavior aside .. what has this guy done wrong?
In Virginia, it’s illegal to spotlight deer. I guess neighbors is ok?Virginia Beach Man Taunts Neighbors With Epithets, Cameras and Spotlights
yes you seem too based on the hilarious failed response you made 😂 dont need to your triggered deranged strawman is meaningless to the topic LAMO quick post another failed triggered strawman!!! 🍿 Yes .. let's pretend that rap music isn't offensive .. unless you're a black American listening...debatepolitics.com
so i found VA law on harassment and disorderly conduct
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HARASSMENT: DEFINED
Harassment, as it is generally understood, is repeated and aggressive action that annoys or intimidates a person or group of people, thereby causing anxiety or fear. Looking at criminal law in the Commonwealth of Virginia, the five most common statutes that punish harassing behavior that crosses the line into criminal activity are phone harassment laws, computer harassment laws, obscene harassment laws, threat harassment laws, and privacy intrusion laws.
--Obscene Harassment
Definition: “Use of profane, threatening, or indecent language over public airways or by other methods.” You are not allowed to threaten or harass anyone via any method—including but not limited to CB radio, video chat, and telephone (whether it’s a smart phone or not).
Disorderly Conduct
A Virginia Disorderly Conduct charge under §18.2-415(A) occurs when a person intentionally or recklessly causes public inconvenience, annoyance, or harm by engaging in conduct that has a direct tendency to cause acts of violence by the person at whom the conduct is directed.
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how did the police determine this is a non issue?
seems shady to me. like i said in PA this guy would be in legal trouble for sure
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