Veterans can now teach in Florida with no degree. School leaders say it 'lowers the bar'

[Deuce]

What is your position on Desantis opening up teaching opportunities to veterans and their spouses, is it a good idea?

It's a terrible idea to have unqualified teachers.

Someone who has been working at Arby's doesn't suddenly become qualified to teach history because they marry a veteran.

 

[pamak]

Depends on what state you are in. California, for example, does not require it.

Apparently, he erased his comment because I cannot find it. I have a relative who got a teacher degree (after his 4-year degree in math). He had to attend something like a two year program in a university. This was not considered a "post-graduate" program because it led to a credential and not a diploma but this does not mean that it was easy. From what he was telling me, the failure rate was quite significant. Being a good math graduate does not make you a good teacher. I recall that at the end of his program he had to videotape a series of lesson plans and their execution in class for a period of a week. I can find later more details about this requirement but I remember him being quite stressed because of class management issues. And no, he did not have the option to simply choose a good class and teach there. There were requirements of completing teaching hours with disadvantaged students. In the end, he barely passed the test and this was a guy with a GPA higher than 3.5!

 

[JayDubya]

With educated societies hating the GOP, is it any wonder the GOP has come to hate education? If they want to win future elections, they'd be well-served having vets politically indoctrinating kids, rather than teachers setting them up to get college degrees.

Lamenting indoctrination while talking about universities fully corrupted with the woke DEI bullshit? Hilarious.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Actually, pure English dialect as well as accent is found in the American south and Appalachia. The accents and dialects English people speak with today, emerge much much later. Like around the late 19th century

Using actually at the beginning of a statement is a dead giveaway, actually..

 

[Fishking]

If you had any decent ability to understand data/graphs you would see by the information I provided that you conclusion is wrong.

Dude...you're embarrassing yourself now. You couldn't even figure out that the bullet points provided under a link was from the actual link. Slink off.

 

[Fishking]

I am not making an argument that parents are better or worse than teachers... you are.

All I need to do is to show that your conclusion of the data that you provided is incorrect and why.

I, and @Mach and @Grand Mal have been trying to tell you.

Yeah....and you haven't done that, and neither have the others. You're posts are ****ing dumb but you don't have the wherewithal to figure the **** out. How dumb do your posts have to be before you go away.

 

[Fishking]

You didn't refute what I wrote. You're just repeating yourself.

I have....the data literally refutes it. You've been brought down to only a single branch to cling to (class size vs parents focusing on one or few kids), and you're clinging to your last branch for all your worth. You lost the income point because that's just flat out wrong.

But you know what remains? Parents getting better results than public schools, no matter their income levels or education levels. So why the **** is are all of you all over the dicks of public schools, because they are obviously terrible.

 

[Bodi]

Dude...you're embarrassing yourself now. You couldn't even figure out that the bullet points provided under a link was from the actual link. Slink off.

I missed the post. LOL


Yes, they are from a link... what you can't understand is that they are not proving your argument, in fact, it is the opposite.

 

[Bodi]

Yeah....and you haven't done that, and neither have the others. You're posts are ****ing dumb but you don't have the wherewithal to figure the **** out. How dumb do your posts have to be before you go away.

I can leave anytime, having destroyed your argument. But it was not difficult so there is not much honor gained.

It is like a Samurai going after a guy that looks like a Samurai... who pulls out his sword and looks scary but when I approach with a swing, the guy turns out to be a faker and falls over and impales himself on his own sword. I then start laughing my ass off as I go off to drink Sake with a Geisha!!

 

[Parrish]

Both of my sons had retired officers who fast tracked teacher certification. They were wholly unprepared for middle schoolers who dared to ask questions or think outside the box.

 

[Fishking]

I can leave anytime, having destroyed your argument.

Give the post # where you "destroyed my argument". I'd like to see it, because you actually haven't made an argument that deeper than "nuh-uh!" So go ahead and post it. This will be good.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Using actually at the beginning of a statement is a dead giveaway, actually..

It’s true however.

The current “standard British” accent, called “Recieved pronunciation” or “BBC English” arose much later, in the late 19th century. Modern RP English is non-rhotic, but we know for a fact that from the settling of Jamestown to the era of the American civil war, most English was spoken rhotically.

Which standard American English arising in the Northeast, leaving the rural and insular south having English dialected and spoken the closest to original Early Modern English

 

[Mina]

Lamenting indoctrination while talking about universities fully corrupted with the woke DEI bullshit? Hilarious.

I understand diversity, equity, and inclusion are hurtful to the feelings of conservatives. But I think the tendency for highly educated societies to reject Republican politicians can't be explained by way of some universities, recently, giving more focus to those kinds of civil rights considerations.

First, most people with college degrees haven't been in college for quite some time. A great many of them went to college in the 60's through the 90's, before the more recent DEI push. Moreover, that DEI push is muted or non-existent in plenty of colleges even these days... it's more something you see among the most academically elite schools, plus certain liberal arts areas of study. Even these days, most college students will be getting little DEI material -- especially those in business and science tracks. Yet still we have that very strong correlation between the level of education in a society and the society having Democratic voting tendencies.

I think we don't need to resort to conspiracy theories about DEI brainwashing to explain what we're seeing. I think it's a natural consequences of the increasingly anti-intellectual, anti-science stance of the GOP.

For example, consider the question of climate change. There's a very strong correlation between educational level and how likely someone is to embrace the expert consensus on the topic of climate change (i.e., that human greenhouse gas emissions are driving global warming at well above the historical rate and that this is going to be a major environmental problem). Among those with only a high school education, there is a lot of denialism, among people with college educations, there's less, among those from elite colleges or relevant subject area educations, there's less still, and among those with relevant post-graduate education, such denialism is nearly non-existent.

So, with the GOP effectively taking a stance that's contrary to what educated people believe on an issue critically important to human civilization, is it any wonder educated societies are moving away from them?

 

[Fishking]

Here is data that actually compares the two systems and it does not look good at all for anything that you have been saying... and backs up my claims.

Homeschool Demographics

The best demographic data we have on the homeschooling population is collected by the National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) through its National Household Education Surveys Program (NHES)…

responsiblehomeschooling.org

Did you even read your link? There is nothing in there about performance. It only showed different demographics composing homeschooling, public schools, and other schools. Pathetic.

 

[Bodi]

Did you even read your link? There is nothing in there about performance. It only showed different demographics composing homeschooling, public schools, and other schools. Pathetic.

*sigh*

 

[Bodi]

Did you even read your link? There is nothing in there about performance. It only showed different demographics composing homeschooling, public schools, and other schools. Pathetic.

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[soap box]

I came across this video, and it reminded me of this thread, two points -

1. He's able to convey an explanation of why a substantive understanding must be employed by a teacher. He's good at Math but there is something much, much more important; he can explain it so that you can understand it. That's the difference between a specialist and a teacher.

2. Teaching is a social science that has developed intricate methods and practices based on research.

Define "unqualified"

 

[Davin]

Why is a college degree required to teach elementary school lessons? What is the point of that?

You're kidding right? There is more to teaching than just being a veteran and if you cannot see that than you are dumber than a pile of rocks.

 

[Fishking]

*sigh*

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Yup...I looked at all of those charts. Not a single one shows homeschools vs public school performance. Also, none of those number comparisons are extremely imbalanced from the other.

 

[Fishking]

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Let's continue to be slaves to these amazing public schools!

The State of Global Literacy | IMSE

While global literacy rates have been trending up over the last decade, there are still many underlying issues. Learn what's causing them and what can be done.

journal.imse.com

And while you might think that the United States is at the forefront of literacy and education, it ranks 125th for literacy rate among all countries.

 

[Bodi]

I looked at all of those charts. Not a single one shows homeschools vs public school performance.

That is because that is not what they were comparing...

This is one of those instances when trying to compare straight up is a mistake... that is because it is like trying to argue who the greatest scorer was in NBA history. Most say MJ. But he scored less than Kareem. But Kareem played more seasons than MJ and K Malone... but Malone played a different position than LeBron... who has the ball more often... but along comes Steph and the emergence of the game change with the 3 Pointer.

See where this is going?

It is why your assertion is stupid.

 

[Bodi]

Let's continue to be slaves to these amazing public schools!

The State of Global Literacy | IMSE

While global literacy rates have been trending up over the last decade, there are still many underlying issues. Learn what's causing them and what can be done.

journal.imse.com

And while you might think that the United States is at the forefront of literacy and education, it ranks 125th for literacy rate among all countries.

Countries with the Best Educational Systems - 2021 Best Countries Report*​

1. The United States
2. The United Kingdom
3. Germany
4. Canada
5. France
6. Switzerland
7. Japan
8. Australia
9. Sweden
10. The Netherlands

Education Rankings by Country 2025

Discover population, economy, health, and more with the most comprehensive global statistics at your fingertips.

worldpopulationreview.com

 

[AGENT J]

FLordia
Gov. Ron DeSantis

enough said, by title its an absolutely stupid idea

HOPEFULLY, there's way more to it

like they are allowed to teach reading or the alphabet if they are qualified and pass psych and background check to work with kids

 

[HangLow]

When America was a rising superpower there was no credentialing requirements for teachers.

After credentialing American education took a nosedive.

In most cases these arbitrary standards like degrees make professions worse and not better. Back in 1940 you couldn’t get into most colleges without knowing Latin or Greek, now they affirmative action in half their admissions. The colleges literally use credentialing just to gatekeep professions for political loyalty. It has nothing to do with quality of education.

more of your sad bigoted bullshit...
-peace

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[Fishking]

Countries with the Best Educational Systems - 2021 Best Countries Report*​

1. The United States
2. The United Kingdom
3. Germany
4. Canada
5. France
6. Switzerland
7. Japan
8. Australia
9. Sweden
10. The Netherlands

Education Rankings by Country 2025

Discover population, economy, health, and more with the most comprehensive global statistics at your fingertips.

worldpopulationreview.com

Yeah....ranking 125th in reading is totally the best. I can't believe your provided survey data as a rebuttal to actual performance data. You continue to demonstrate you're wholly unable to assess the proper data or even understand the data present either by myself your what you provide. Pathetic.