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Vaccines and Autism.[W:390]

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Visbek said:
And that's not what NPAFC is. Read it again: "Non-Polio Acute Flaccid Paralysis." It's from diseases unrelated to polio, such as meningitis.

As already noted, the NPAFC cases in India had nothing to do with the polio vaccine.
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Except that it is caused by the vaccine... Aka does not occur if you do no receive the oral vaccination.

This was known since like the 70's after replacing the sv40 containing vaccine.
 
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BmanMcfly said:
It's when you get the vaccine and go paralyzed... A bit like when people get the flu vaccine and the next day they have the flu.

I suppose it's better than when it had the sv40 cancer virus in the shot.
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Actually, it's not like that at all. Try looking at the WHO report, then ask yourself how "non polio" paralysis can result from the polio vaccine.
 
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BmanMcfly said:
Not only are they not addressing the argument, they are only focusing on the good aspects while ignoring all problems, or minimizing them...

Having a nuanced perspective is difficult when talking to people In a black and white world
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Quoted for irony. Look in a mirror. You are fixated on maximising the bad to the exclusion of all else.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Quoted for irony. Look in a mirror. You are fixated on maximising the bad to the exclusion of all else.
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Not entirely, I'm focusing exclusively on the bad to offset for those that refuse to accept ANY of the negatives, so that we can get to the point that we are dealing in reality...

In this case, the only reason that this case of the polio vaccine is better than the factor 8 scandal is because there is some good that's come from it (although India was free from natural cases of polio a year before bill gates stepped in (with a vaccine KNOWN to have this issue)),is that this time was not a death sentence for all those treated.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Actually, it's not like that at all. Try looking at the WHO report, then ask yourself how "non polio" paralysis can result from the polio vaccine.
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Try looking at some of the sources I linked to that show that this paralysis is CAUSED by the oral vaccine... But no, the lancet and the like are just fakers, right?
 
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BmanMcfly said:
Try looking at some of the sources I linked to that show that this paralysis is CAUSED by the oral vaccine... But no, the lancet and the like are just fakers, right?
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Right.

The WHO is a much more credible source. There's a lot of nonsense out there on the web.
 
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Deuce said:
Pot, kettle, etc.
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Maybe, but this is comparing a political statement to a published scientific paper, and the lancet is one of the most well respected medical journals... so, what conclusions can we draw?
 
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BmanMcfly said:
Maybe, but this is comparing a political statement to a published scientific paper, and the lancet is one of the most well respected medical journals... so, what conclusions can we draw?
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probably that The Lancet didn't actually say that the polio vaccine has caused 4,7000 cases of polio in India or anywhere else.

and that vaccines don't really cause autism.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
probably that The Lancet didn't actually say that the polio vaccine has caused 4,7000 cases of polio in India or anywhere else.

and that vaccines don't really cause autism.
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No, there were numerous sources that went over the details...

There's only about 50 papers showing that the reality is not that simple... That ingredients in the vaccines create problems that are indicative of people that have autism.

To look at all the data; it seems that while no single vaccine directly CAUSES autism, but rather that autism results from, to illustrate and save text space if conditions A, B, and C, (arbitrary / unknown) are present when the child has the vaccine that it will go from a sub-clinical issue to being diagnosed as autism.

The fact is, nobody really knows what's causing autism, but in the past 40 years autism increase is somewhere in the range of 2000%. SOMETHING is going on, and there are dozens of studies, not related to wakefield that point in that direction.

Also, side effects are drastically under reported... Look at the cases of parents who have lost their kids after a vaccine when the child has a seizure and loses the ability to talk, an MRI shows blood on the Brain which shows is used as evidence of abuse, and not a side effect.
 
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BmanMcfly said:
No, there were numerous sources that went over the details...

There's only about 50 papers showing that the reality is not that simple... That ingredients in the vaccines create problems that are indicative of people that have autism.

To look at all the data; it seems that while no single vaccine directly CAUSES autism, but rather that autism results from, to illustrate and save text space if conditions A, B, and C, (arbitrary / unknown) are present when the child has the vaccine that it will go from a sub-clinical issue to being diagnosed as autism.

The fact is, nobody really knows what's causing autism, but in the past 40 years autism increase is somewhere in the range of 2000%. SOMETHING is going on, and there are dozens of studies, not related to wakefield that point in that direction.

Also, side effects are drastically under reported... Look at the cases of parents who have lost their kids after a vaccine when the child has a seizure and loses the ability to talk, an MRI shows blood on the Brain which shows is used as evidence of abuse, and not a side effect.
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I have looked at the data, and the fact remains that the Lancet didn't actually say that the polio vaccine has caused 4,7000 cases of polio in India or anywhere else.
 
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BmanMcfly said:
No, there were numerous sources that went over the details...

There's only about 50 papers showing that the reality is not that simple... That ingredients in the vaccines create problems that are indicative of people that have autism.

To look at all the data; it seems that while no single vaccine directly CAUSES autism, but rather that autism results from, to illustrate and save text space if conditions A, B, and C, (arbitrary / unknown) are present when the child has the vaccine that it will go from a sub-clinical issue to being diagnosed as autism.

The fact is, nobody really knows what's causing autism, but in the past 40 years autism increase is somewhere in the range of 2000%. SOMETHING is going on, and there are dozens of studies, not related to wakefield that point in that direction.

Also, side effects are drastically under reported... Look at the cases of parents who have lost their kids after a vaccine when the child has a seizure and loses the ability to talk, an MRI shows blood on the Brain which shows is used as evidence of abuse, and not a side effect.
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An anti-vaxxer....

Why am I not surprised
 
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Fledermaus said:
An anti-vaxxer....

Why am I not surprised
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Dittohead not! said:
Right.

The WHO is a much more credible source. There's a lot of nonsense out there on the web.
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Like this post? ;)

I agree... there is a lot of misinformation out there though.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Like this post? ;)

I agree... there is a lot of misinformation out there though.
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Not that the who is an unreliable source, but, you can't disregard the dozens of other studies either.

Especially if it means disregarding some well respected medical journals.
 
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The Simple fact of the Matter is that Forcing a Child to be Penetrated by an Alien Object is Fascist.

There are no two ways about that.

Especially since, assuming an outbreak originated from non-Immunized children/adults, one can simply and easily institute higher quality or continious rounds of vaccines to the consenting parties. Likely to those older, so as to dilute ANY (not to say I agree, I'm talking Morals. 30-40% of Medical studies are absolute Boon-Doggle, on both sides of the fence.) possible side affects, autism or otherwise.

If a Parent does not want his/her Child Forcibly penetrated, that is God Damn well within their Parental Rights, not even on a Constitutional level but on a Humane one.

I, to be honest, would get my child vaccinated on a spread out schedule. Or the normal one, but he would be vaccinated. But with my goddamn Consent.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
I have looked at the data, and the fact remains that the Lancet didn't actually say that the polio vaccine has caused 4,7000 cases of polio in India or anywhere else.
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Just to add fuel to the fire.

Plus I'm bored and for some god damn reason can't sleep x.x

Heavy use of equations impedes communication among biologists

Partially irrelevant but while I'm digging up quotes I figure, why the hell not. Lol xP

http://www2.psych.ubc.ca/~henrich/pdfs/WeirdPeople.pdf

And one back on topic for ish and gikkles

http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/183/6/498.abstract
 
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Buddha C said:
The Simple fact of the Matter is that Forcing a Child to be Penetrated by an Alien Object is Fascist.

There are no two ways about that.

Especially since, assuming an outbreak originated from non-Immunized children/adults, one can simply and easily institute higher quality or continious rounds of vaccines to the consenting parties. Likely to those older, so as to dilute ANY (not to say I agree, I'm talking Morals. 30-40% of Medical studies are absolute Boon-Doggle, on both sides of the fence.) possible side affects, autism or otherwise.

If a Parent does not want his/her Child Forcibly penetrated, that is God Damn well within their Parental Rights, not even on a Constitutional level but on a Humane one.

I, to be honest, would get my child vaccinated on a spread out schedule. Or the normal one, but he would be vaccinated. But with my goddamn Consent.
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What medical research leads you to decide the spread out schedule is better?

Vaccines do not cause autism. That whole idea was based on data fabricated by a man manufacturing a competing product.
 
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Deuce said:
What medical research leads you to decide the spread out schedule is better?

Vaccines do not cause autism. That whole idea was based on data fabricated by a man manufacturing a competing product.
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Oh I know it was Fabricated.

But if anything is too much, Aluminum or what have you, I'd prefer it spread out.

Either way, it doesn't much matter to me. If I get an Autistic kid, truth be told, I'm dumping him. You can call it evil or eugenic, I wouldn't care. I would not take care of it. But I do believe penetrating a child with an alien object without a parent's consent is wrong. Heh, talk about Licentious, eh?
 
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Buddha C said:
Oh I know it was Fabricated.

But if anything is too much, Aluminum or what have you, I'd prefer it spread out.

Either way, it doesn't much matter to me. If I get an Autistic kid, truth be told, I'm dumping him. You can call it evil or eugenic, I wouldn't care. I would not take care of it. But I do believe penetrating a child with an alien object without a parent's consent is wrong. Heh, talk about Licentious, eh?
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If you knew the link between vaccines and autism was bull****, you wouldn't have mentioned it. Therefore I can only conclude you have been deluded like all the other anti vaxxers.
 
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Deuce said:
If you knew the link between vaccines and autism was bull****, you wouldn't have mentioned it. Therefore I can only conclude you have been deluded like all the other anti vaxxers.
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You'd have made an incorrect assumption (ass outta you and me? :P).

I go by the policy of "Better safe than sorry".

If there's data that says spreading out vaccines decreases the efficacy of them, I would not spread the schedule out for my children. I have yet to see any such research.
 
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