Vaccinations before School??

[Helix]

https://vaers.hhs.gov

This is not unscientific internet BS.

if you want to believe anti-vax nonsense, then homeschool. depending on herd immunity while not contributing to it is not ok.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Polio has been eliminated from the United States thanks to widespread polio vaccination in this country. This means that there is no year-round transmission of poliovirus in the United States. Since 1979, no cases of polio have originated in the United States.
https://www.cdc.gov/polio/us/

Now, in other countries, year to date, more people have contracted polio from the vaccine.
2016: cases of wild polio - 33. Cases caused by vaccine - 3.
2017: cases of polio - 15. Cases caused by vaccine - 80.

Something seriously wrong with the vaccine it appears.

Polio Now – GPEI

"Caused by vaccine" is a misrepresention. The oral polio vaccine is a highly weakened strain, given to provoke an immune response. In rare cases the virus mutates in the patient's gut and the new mutated virus is excreted. This is not a risk to a well immunised population, but can be a threat to a poorly/non-immunised one. Treatment is the same as for a wild virus, immunisation protects.
Only 111 cases have been documented worldwide since 1956.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

I absolutely believe vaccinations should be required to send your kid to public school or to any private schools that receive any tax payer funds.

 

[Bodi]

A person who is vulnerable, especially in a place like a school where disease spreads easily and rapidly, will contract disease and will spread it to other unvaccinated kids. It has happened repeatedly, especially in California, home of the "we'll believe literally anything" crowd, and it is utterly disgusting.

You directly harm children--- place their lives at risk--- out of your own ignorance and fear. How do anti vaxxers lie with themselves?

But there are plenty of diseases, especially since people are leaving their kids vulnerable on purpose. But hey, at least Boko Haram agrees with you guys. They've been busily murdering aid workers trying to vaccinate kids in Nigeria.

Would you rather she have died, and killed other people's children as well, by contracting a virulent disease that could have been stopped if only she'd been vaccinated? Adverse reactions are a minimal threat compared to the risks posed by not vaccinating people.

She is partially vaccinated... the vaccine argument is stupid because 96% of the parents vaccinate anyway. And I support vaccinations... just not mandatory ones nor being vaccinated to go to school... but hey... you compared me to terrorists so you must have won this. ****ing pathetic. :lol:

 

[Bodi]

if you want to believe anti-vax nonsense, then homeschool. depending on herd immunity while not contributing to it is not ok.

What about VAERS is anti-vaccination nonsense? :lol:

 

[Helix]

What about VAERS is anti-vaccination nonsense? :lol:

vaccines are safe unless you're allergic to eggs. eventually, most vaccines will be produced in cell culture. this will remove the egg allergy factor.

 

[Bodi]

vaccines are safe unless you're allergic to eggs. eventually, most vaccines will be produced in cell culture. this will remove the egg allergy factor.

Setting aside your Red Herring my kid is not allergic to eggs yet had a severe almost life ending adverse reaction. Go figure. The government is not completely honest.

 

[Bodi]

I absolutely believe vaccinations should be required to send your kid to public school or to any private schools that receive any tax payer funds.

Great. Fascism wins.

 

[Helix]

Setting aside your Red Herring my kid is not allergic to eggs yet had a severe almost life ending adverse reaction. Go figure. The government is not completely honest.

the chances of having a severe reaction to the actual diseases are much greater, as you know from our previous interactions on this topic. i have limited sympathy for antivaxers, and that sympathy ends at the door of the school.

 

[Sweden]

So what. School or grocery shopping we come into contact with sick/diseased people every day. Mandating forced vaccinations is Nazi-like fascism.

Don't be silly. Obligatory vaccination is NOTHING like Naziism. Killing children who might infect others in gas chambers and then cremating their corpses THAT would be "Nazi-like fascism".

 

[holbritter]

"Caused by vaccine" is a misrepresention. The oral polio vaccine is a highly weakened strain, given to provoke an immune response. In rare cases the virus mutates in the patient's gut and the new mutated virus is excreted. This is not a risk to a well immunised population, but can be a threat to a poorly/non-immunised one. Treatment is the same as for a wild virus, immunisation protects.
Only 111 cases have been documented worldwide since 1956.

And 80 of those within the past 11 months. Like I said, something is seriously wrong with the vaccine they are using.

It's not a misrepresentation. I'll used the correct term if you like : Vaccine-derived polioviruses.

 

[Fledermaus]

True. The Constitutional right kicks in earlier.

Where in the Constitution is the right to spead disease?

 

[zyzygy]

Vaccines didn't stop polio... clean sanitation and better hygiene did.

Wrong. I was one of the first children in the UK to get the polio vaccine. I saw children in leg braces and iron lungs. You don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Great. Fascism wins.

Fascism? Such a warped worldview.

 

[Bodi]

Don't be silly. Obligatory vaccination is NOTHING like Naziism. Killing children who might infect others in gas chambers and then cremating their corpses THAT would be "Nazi-like fascism".

It is Nazi like fascism to force injections into people's bodies.

 

[Sweden]

It is Nazi like fascism to force injections into people's bodies.

In the couple of months I spent in NZ in the 60s I got to love Kiwis - a bit like Aussies but without the hangups and chippyness. In fact I like them so much I would oblige them to be vaccinated against deadly diseases, even though that means enough of them will survive to dominate the game of Rugby for the next few hundred years.

 

[Bodi]

In the couple of months I spent in NZ in the 60s I got to love Kiwis - a bit like Aussies but without the hangups and chippyness. In fact I like them so much I would oblige them to be vaccinated against deadly diseases, even though that means enough of them will survive to dominate the game of Rugby for the next few hundred years.

The only reasons the Kiwis win at rugby is because Amerivans don't care about it...

 

[Sweden]

Wrong. I was one of the first children in the UK to get the polio vaccine. I saw children in leg braces and iron lungs. You don't know what you are talking about.

I was in my late teens and three into the RN when I got the polio vaccine - and very grateful I was too. Like you I had seen many children in leg braces.

 

[Sweden]

Vaccines didn't stop polio... clean sanitation and better hygiene did.

Wp says there were 350,000 cases of polio in 1988 and 37 in 2016. And you think that's all down to soap and water? Find another lost cause to fight for - this one is just getting silly.

 

[zyzygy]

Wp says there were 350,000 cases of polio in 1988 and 37 in 2016. And you think that's all down to soap and water? Find another lost cause to fight for - this one is just getting silly.

He's not serious.

 

[AGENT J]

That is the problem. The law is based on safety, health, facts and science. But it interferes with the protection of citizens by the Constitution in a totally general formulation. Otherwise, it's fine, if the government compensates for harm from the forced vaccination.

No it doesn't because there is no force, you are still free not to vaccinate. Have a nice day! lol

 

[jaeger19]

According to the Massachusetts Legislature, children must be vaccinated against diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, measles, and poliomyelitis before entering school unless there is some endangering reason to the child why they cannot have the vaccination. Many believe this should continue to stay a law, but in the past 20 years, this has been a question if this should stay a law as more and more parents are against vaccinating their children.

What are your thoughts?

The state should not dictate the medical decisions that you make. If you choose to not vaccinate you do not put other children at risk that are vaccinated
Face it.. if it NOT vaccinating put kids at seriously risk.. then there should be NO exception for children that cannot be vaccinated for safety reasons.

 

[jaeger19]

No one ever said vaccinations always work. No vaccinations are 100% and that claim is never made. All those things are considered. They've been the case since the 60's and the communicable disease rates and deaths in school age children has been drastically reduced.

It's the 'prevalence' of immunization that reduces the risks to public health, not the complete compliance.

If complete compliance is not what reduces the risk to public health.. then why does the law require complete compliance then?

 

[jaeger19]

vaccines are safe unless you're allergic to eggs. eventually, most vaccines will be produced in cell culture. this will remove the egg allergy factor.

Not true. SOME vaccines are safe unless you are allergic to eggs. Just because a vaccine is produced does not make it safe. Vaccines are not inherently safe.

 

[Lursa]

If complete compliance is not what reduces the risk to public health.. then why does the law require complete compliance then?

Complete compliance would reduce the risk to public health...further. But it's not possible, not all children can be vaccinated and diseases do not circulate only in schools.

But the more compliance there is, the more the risk is reduced.