Right, because if a veteran could go to any doctor that would be bad.The whole VA scandal should clue even the most brain dead American of just how bad Single Payer would be for the average American.
Saw this earlier....almost puked. I had 2 friends commit suicide while being over prescribed with pain killers and anti depressants while waiting on operations. I had another commit suicide because he was too embarrassed to ask for help for PTSD for fear of being stigmatized.
That would be like equal treatment and we all know that some people are more equal than others...To fix the VA congress should require all federally elected officials, cabinet positions, and other high federal positions and their families be required to us the VA as their sole healthcare provider. Then have them added to the bottom of the backlog list.
Right, because if a veteran could go to any doctor that would be bad.
Funny that it works well in other places.Thats the thing about Nationalized Healthcare, the small detail Sanders and his supporters leave out of their grand scheme to provide healthcare as a " right "
You say that as if the government is something imposed on us by some aliens. I remind you of Lincoln's words: "a government of the people, by the people and for the people" which translates in you, your brother, parents, cousins, friends, neighbors etc being the government by your will. When they fail it is YOUR fault no one else's.The Govt is never held to account legally or otherwise for it's unprecedented levels of corruption and mismanagement
Why? By making people healthier?The Left sees Single payer as the answer, as societal evolution but it would destroy what's left of this Nation.
And how is that relevant to what we are discussing?
Wow, just disgusting.VA Secretary Disneyland-wait time comparison draws ire
Veterans affairs secretary Disneyland comparison criticized - CNNPolitics.com
" Veterans Affairs Secretary Bob McDonald downplayed Monday the time it takes for veterans to receive medical treatment by comparing the "experience" of waiting for health care to Disneyland guests waiting for a ride.
"When you go to Disney, do they measure the number of hours you wait in line? Or what's important?" McDonald told reporters at a Christian Science Monitor breakfast in Washington. "What's important is what's your satisfaction with the experience?"
Hey McDonald, what if the waits so long you never get on the ride ?
307,000 vets may have died awaiting VA care, report says - CNNPolitics.com
The whole VA scandal should clue even the most brain dead American of just how bad Single Payer would be for the average American. Has ANYONE been held accountable for the VA scandal yet ?
Nope.
When it comes to long wait times at the VA, it's the American taxpayers being taken for a ride...VA Secretary Disneyland-wait time comparison draws ire
Veterans affairs secretary Disneyland comparison criticized - CNNPolitics.com
" Veterans Affairs Secretary Bob McDonald downplayed Monday the time it takes for veterans to receive medical treatment by comparing the "experience" of waiting for health care to Disneyland guests waiting for a ride.
"When you go to Disney, do they measure the number of hours you wait in line? Or what's important?" McDonald told reporters at a Christian Science Monitor breakfast in Washington. "What's important is what's your satisfaction with the experience?"
Hey McDonald, what if the waits so long you never get on the ride ?
307,000 vets may have died awaiting VA care, report says - CNNPolitics.com
The whole VA scandal should clue even the most brain dead American of just how bad Single Payer would be for the average American. Has ANYONE been held accountable for the VA scandal yet ?
Nope.
VA Secretary Disneyland-wait time comparison draws ire
Veterans affairs secretary Disneyland comparison criticized - CNNPolitics.com
" Veterans Affairs Secretary Bob McDonald downplayed Monday the time it takes for veterans to receive medical treatment by comparing the "experience" of waiting for health care to Disneyland guests waiting for a ride.
"When you go to Disney, do they measure the number of hours you wait in line? Or what's important?" McDonald told reporters at a Christian Science Monitor breakfast in Washington. "What's important is what's your satisfaction with the experience?"
Hey McDonald, what if the waits so long you never get on the ride ?
307,000 vets may have died awaiting VA care, report says - CNNPolitics.com
The whole VA scandal should clue even the most brain dead American of just how bad Single Payer would be for the average American. Has ANYONE been held accountable for the VA scandal yet ?
Nope.
Thats the thing about Nationalized Healthcare, the small detail Sanders and his supporters leave out of their grand scheme to provide healthcare as a " right "
The Govt is never held to account legally or otherwise for it's unprecedented levels of corruption and mismanagement
The Left sees Single payer as the answer, as societal evolution but it would destroy what's left of this Nation. Reason being is no matter how poorly it was run, no matter how many people died due to Govt incompetence, corruption and mismanagement, no matter how much economic damage it did or how fiscally unsustainable it became, they would still be out there claiming it was a " resounding success "
Govt officials and bureaucrats would be protected from prosecution or even losing their jobs just like at the VA. But instead of your Father or Grandfather or Uncle ( which is bad enough ) being neglected it would be your Son, your Daughter, your wife
As usual much of what you say is not correct.
Yeah, every time I go the the VA I think Disney. :roll: I like it when my doctors are dressed like Snow White or Goofy.
He is a hell of a lot closer to correct than your simple one line snark.
Do you deal with the VA?
Have you ever had to jump through the hoops of bureaucracy, and the attitudes of the lazy azzed people who work at the VA?
Do you realize that people in the VA actually pat themselves on the back, and actually get bonuses for providing sub standard health care?
And how is that relevant to what we are discussing?
He is a hell of a lot closer to correct than your simple one line snark. Do you deal with the VA? Have you ever had to jump through the hoops of bureaucracy, and the attitudes of the lazy azzed people who work at the VA? Do you realize that people in the VA actually pat themselves on the back, and actually get bonuses for providing sub standard health care?
I deal with the VA- 60% disability. I've NEVER had a long wait, NEVER jumped through a hoop, NEVER got any 'attitude' from the VA. I get better treatment from the VA than ANY private sector doctor and I used the private sector for decades after I left the Infantry. You don't understand the corporate model bonus- even a failing corporation gives bonuses- a tax dodge type of deferred salary.
While I don't know any dead vets who had 'year long waits' I've known quite a few drunks and heavy smokers who don't get priority treatment because drinking and smoking are not considered service related injuries. I know vets who never suffered as much as a paper cut and didn't do a full 20 not being given a high priority so they do have long wait times- but blame Congress as much as anyone- only so much money is given to the VA for doctors, services and clinic workers- they triage the money- Group 1 vets getting getting priority.
I have ZERO complaints about my treatment in the VA clinic, but then again I can compare it to the treament I got through the private sector and I am ever so glad I finally went to the VA to be evaluated...eace
Single payer will be the new VA system where you will have doctors hired at the cheapest salaries, and bureaucrats determining if it's worth fighting off stage 3 and 4 cancers.
When they get back logged, they will dope you up for a year or so before they seriously consider the operation that you needed the year before.
I deal with the VA- 60% disability. I've NEVER had a long wait, NEVER jumped through a hoop, NEVER got any 'attitude' from the VA. I get better treatment from the VA than ANY private sector doctor and I used the private sector for decades after I left the Infantry. You don't understand the corporate model bonus- even a failing corporation gives bonuses- a tax dodge type of deferred salary.
While I don't know any dead vets who had 'year long waits' I've known quite a few drunks and heavy smokers who don't get priority treatment because drinking and smoking are not considered service related injuries. I know vets who never suffered as much as a paper cut and didn't do a full 20 not being given a high priority so they do have long wait times- but blame Congress as much as anyone- only so much money is given to the VA for doctors, services and clinic workers- they triage the money- Group 1 vets getting getting priority.
I have ZERO complaints about my treatment in the VA clinic, but then again I can compare it to the treament I got through the private sector and I am ever so glad I finally went to the VA to be evaluated...eace
This is all a bull**** argument.
If we were not so prone to using our Military resources more often than we do not, the VA system would not be such a disaster. Said another way, politicians love to send the troops to whatever conflict and pay the military industrial complex a fortune for the latest and greatest equipment... but those same politicians could not care any less about the soldiers who come home (and their families who end up appealing to charitable organizations to do what the VA and our government should have done for them.)
The VA is always going to be a problem because of the bureaucracy of a government ran operation that is a given, but it is going to end up exponentially worse because of how much we task them to deal with from all the wars and conflicts we will not quit fighting.
The argument about "single payer" is a diversion from a very ugly truth about this nation's willingness to go fight somewhere but ignore on our own team whom is harmed in the process.
Great! You live in Oklahoma with a population of what? Try coming to the Hampton roads area and see if you have the same enjoyable experience, or any other large city. I see it every freaking day with all my ex/retired military friends. It's a fooking miracle if you can get a Sikh doctor to write in clear enough English for the pharmacy not to hand you birth control pills.
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