US suicides hit an all-time high last year; a main driver is the growing availability of guns

[Daddyo]

I am sure there are many things you believe to be true, which are not.

Typical nothing response. Expected but still cowardly and pathetic.

 

[Daddyo]

You mean their EMPLOYER fired them.
Not the federal government.
As an employer..I have the right to fire people who jeopardize that business.

First responders were fired bud. Last time I ****ing checked they are employed by government.

And your employees have the right to sue you for any side effects caused by the forced vaccine. They should also hold you responsible for any infections proven to have come via work exposure. Since you seem to feel they can force Covid prevention they now open themselves to damages caused by Covid exposure at the workplace.

 

[Daddyo]

How many firearm injuries or deaths in your family, friends, or customers do you have direct knowledge of?

Far less than the DGU’s from that same group.

 

[Daddyo]

And I contend that the easiest way to do that is with a gun. Even an eight year old understands that

And I contend that stepping off the high rise balcony is.

 

[Daddyo]

We have been over this.
I keep asking you to detail what position I have that is not conservative...i.e. small effective government..fiscal responsible etc.
And you fail miserably.

Your support of CRT and vaccine mandates for starters.

Your support for government funded college is not small effective government bud lol.

 

[Daddyo]

BS. Can you recall, redurect or stop the projectile once fired. I am baffled that you cannot understand the concept.

Yes you are baffled. When you control the direction that the projectile is fired you control it. You do understand that fired bullets react very predictably right? They adhere to the laws of physics and are extremely consistent shot to shot. They only deviate from the intended path if they encounter a hard object and even then tend to be predictable.

Directional control is achieved, like it is millions of times each year, by firing the gun in the desired direction.

Understanding the concept of bullet control? Do you? You can’t recall the bullet……ok agreed. You can’t redirect the bullet…..ok agreed. You can’t stop the bullet lol…….again agreed. No shit Sherlock to the above but agreed. However one of the rules for safe gun handling is to always point the gun in a safe direction. This is because in doing so we can control any projectile that leaves our gun be it accidentally or purposely. We absolutely are controlling that fired bullet by controlling its path. A concept you should probably learn.

 

[Daddyo]

There is something wrong with a society that thinks the entire solution to crime is longer and more onerous punishment.

Now it’s clear that you are the problem. And you want my guns lol. 60 plus percent recidivism for violent crime bud lol. Maybe when its you or your mother being victimized you will pull your head from the sand.

I wish you leftists cared as much for innocent citizens as you do for convicted violent criminal.

 

[Daddyo]

Hey, it's ok that you're not very well versed in American gun laws or gun culture. Many people aren't. Not a big deal. There's lots to learn, so take your time and read up on the laws, and maybe browse a gun forum or two. Lots of information there! More knowledgeable people will always be happy to answer your questions. Most gun enthusiasts are happy to assist newbies.

Talk your shit lol. You got me and deserve it.

I have however sold more guns in a month than most folks sell in a lifetime. I have been the responsible party for not one but two FFL’s including owning my own gun shops FFL. I have undergone over a dozen ATF compliance inspections. I kinda know the rules bud.

Again you set me up. I took the bait. Enjoy your victory. I forgot about the CMP simple as that.

 

[Daddyo]

It is liberalism that has caused crime, looting, homelessness and murder. blood is on the hands of liberal DAs and mayors.

Notice how they never acknowledge or rebut your claim? You mentioned several well documented problems and the gun grabbing leftist responds with make up your mind lol.

They decided not to prosecute shoplifting up to 900 bucks and shoplifting crime exploded.

They decided not to bust up riots but to allow the rioters to vent and riots exploded.

They decided that it was better to give Joe the thug a second chance and violent crime exploded.

They decided to allow illegals to remain in our country until their court date and illegal immigration exploded.

They decided to brag about being sanctuary cities and illegal immigrant numbers exploded.

If you looked at most of this country’s problems they are almost all spawned from leftist policies. It’s why as you so correctly pointed out blue run areas filled with blue citizens are no different than a third world shithole.

 

[Daddyo]

Where is the data?
I know you have beliefs (that appear to be wrong), but I don't care about your prejudice. Where is the data?
Of course you could acknowledge that you have been indoctrinated by a line of reasoning that demonizes aliens and drug users and minorities in order to advance the wealth and privilege of the rich Republicans as an alternative explanation.

Must you always go to your crutch, questioning data and tossing out the prejudice claims?

Anyway we have already given you the data several times. Remember the blue area vs red area debate? We provided you maps showing violent crime levels in blue run areas vs red. We also gave you a list of the top ten most dangerous cities, all blue of course.

The indoctrination is all on your side. We aren’t afraid of reality. We don’t care about the skin color or sex of the criminals, just guilt or innocence. We aren’t against immigration just illegal immigration. We don’t demonize drug users just drug users that kill or steal. So make sure you correct your leftist filth mentor next time they try to feed that stupid shit to you. Tell them you actually heard it from a conservative.

 

[Spock]

Typical nothing response. Expected but still cowardly and pathetic.

Do you get in a lot of fist fights in public places?

 

[Spock]

Yes you are baffled. When you control the direction that the projectile is fired you control it.

No one who understands anything ballistics will claim that after a bullet leaves the barrel there is any way to control it. You really should learn about firearms.

You do understand that fired bullets react very predictably right? They adhere to the laws of physics and are extremely consistent shot to shot. They only deviate from the intended path if they encounter a hard object and even then tend to be predictable.

Directional control is achieved, like it is millions of times each year, by firing the gun in the desired direction.

Understanding the concept of bullet control? Do you? You can’t recall the bullet……ok agreed. You can’t redirect the bullet…..ok agreed. You can’t stop the bullet lol…….again agreed. No shit Sherlock to the above but agreed. However one of the rules for safe gun handling is to always point the gun in a safe direction. This is because in doing so we can control any projectile that leaves our gun be it accidentally or purposely. We absolutely are controlling that fired bullet by controlling its path. A concept you should probably learn.

You go to the range to try to develop limited control over the process of delivering a projectile to a target with the understanding that you do not have complete control over that inherently dangerous process, in other words.

 

[Spock]

Now it’s clear that you are the problem. And you want my guns lol. 60 plus percent recidivism for violent crime bud lol. Maybe when its you or your mother being victimized you will pull your head from the sand.

I wish you leftists cared as much for innocent citizens as you do for convicted violent criminal.

It is unfortunate that the gun cult does not understand that the convenience they demand for access to firearms means that lots of firearms are prevalent in society and criminal acts with firearms become more frequent. Your obsession, like that of many others, has produced a society where you now think you need a firearm to protect yourself from the firearms that you indirectly allowed to pass into the hands of criminals. In all likelihood, if you sell firearms long enough, one or more of your firearms will have been used in a crime.

 

[Spock]

Must you always go to your crutch, questioning data and tossing out the prejudice claims?

IOW, don't confuse you with facts??

Anyway we have already given you the data several times. Remember the blue area vs red area debate? We provided you maps showing violent crime levels in blue run areas vs red. We also gave you a list of the top ten most dangerous cities, all blue of course.

The blue vs red are different in many ways-- geography, employment, poverty, drug use, racial make up, taxes, population density, and many others. Which of those are likely factors to influence crime?

The indoctrination is all on your side. We aren’t afraid of reality. We don’t care about the skin color or sex of the criminals, just guilt or innocence. We aren’t against immigration just illegal immigration.

Why would you deny the facts? Most crime is committed by people of color, disproportionate representation of racial groups are imprisoned, you consider asylum refugees to be "illegal immigrants" because it is easier to lump them all together.

We don’t demonize drug users just drug users that kill or steal. So make sure you correct your leftist filth mentor next time they try to feed that stupid shit to you. Tell them you actually heard it from a conservative.

Sure. Rush Limbaugh was a drug addict, maybe you were too. However, I doubt that you have much interest in drug rehab, safe injection or needle exchange programs, or even understand that most drugs are not brought in by "illegal immigrants" but cross the border legally through check points.

 

[jaeger19]

Your support of CRT and vaccine mandates for starters.

Your support for government funded college is not small effective government bud lol.

Define CRT and explain why understanding what it is..isn't conservative.

Explain why allowing employers to decide what employees they hire is not conservative?.

Explain why funding public college and trade school just like we fund public elementary middle school and highschool..
So that the us stays competitive with our foreign competitors ...( which fund public college) is not conservative.

Please explain in detail.

 

[Rich2018]

And how will you know what doors have an " illegal firearm.".

I've already been through this - what evidence do police normally have for a search warrant ?

And infrastructure to do so means the police force to go door to door..the prosecution to prosecute those that didn't comply..

So the problem is that you don't know what "infrastructure" means
Maybe you had better learn what big words mean before embarrassing yourself attempting to use them ?

...the detention centers or prison camps to house those that refuse to comply.

They're called prisons, and they're not infrastructure either.

Facility to store the firearms until they can be destroyed

Just how many firearms do you think law enforcement would stockpile, before destroying them ?
Not enough to warrant building additional storage units.

The record keeping etc.

Do you really think law enforcement has warehouses full of filing cabinets ?
Might need more filing cabinets though
And if the odd police station needs a building extension to house additional records - I guess that comes with having the largest proportion of people incarcerated in any democratic country. It's not infrastructure either Btw.

 

[jaeger19]

It is unfortunate that the gun cult does not understand that the convenience they demand for access to firearms means that lots of firearms are prevalent in society and criminal acts with firearms become more frequent. Your obsession, like that of many others, has produced a society where you now think you need a firearm to protect yourself from the firearms that you indirectly allowed to pass into the hands of criminals. In all likelihood, if you sell firearms long enough, one or more of your firearms will have been used in a crime.

Except the data disproves your premise.
You have been given many examples that as the number of guns has increased...crime has gone down in this country.
That comparing say new xealand and the uk..New zealand with more guns has a lower homicide rate.

That idaho with more guns has a lower homicide rate than nys.

There simply is no consistent correlation that more guns equals more crime.

And even more crime with a gun is not correlated.

You've made up a boogeyman that doesn't exist.

 

[Spock]

Except the data disproves your premise.
You have been given many examples that as the number of guns has increased...crime has gone down in this country.
That comparing say new xealand and the uk..New zealand with more guns has a lower homicide rate.

That idaho with more guns has a lower homicide rate than nys.

There simply is no consistent correlation that more guns equals more crime.

And even more crime with a gun is not correlated.

You've made up a boogeyman that doesn't exist.

You have difficulty understanding the inadequacy of your own statistics and, worse, you have no interest in learning. This has all been discussed and refuted previously.

 

[jaeger19]

I've already been through this - what evidence do police normally have for a search warrant ?



So the problem is that you don't know what "infrastructure" means
Maybe you had better learn what big words mean before embarrassing yourself attempting to use them ?



They're called prisons, and they're not infrastructure either.



Just how many firearms do you think law enforcement would stockpile, before destroying them ?
Not enough to warrant building additional storage units.



Do you really think law enforcement has warehouses full of filing cabinets ?
Might need more filing cabinets though
And if the odd police station needs a building extension to house additional records - I guess that comes with having the largest proportion of people incarcerated in any democratic country. It's not infrastructure either Btw.

1. And that requires a lot of infrastructure to pay for confidential informants..to catalogue..surveillance e etc.
2. I understand it just fine.. you don't understand what infrastructure is.
3. Prisons are infrastructure.
4. Millions.. they would be needed as evidence for trial.
5. They have huge computer systems and data bases that have to be maintained by IT personnel. They need a whole host of personnel to input that data. And to manipulate that data ..for example search warrants.
6. Yes..building facilities to house records is infrastructure.

 

[jaeger19]

You have difficulty understanding the inadequacy of your own statistics and, worse, you have no interest in learning. This has all been discussed and refuted previously.

You have been given the opportunity to refute the data and you failed miserably.

Your latest attempt was to try and say " well your data is due to other variables.."
And then fail to realize YOUR data was subject to those same variables!. Lmao.

You still cannot even support why " gun deaths/mortality" should be considered a valid measure of safety.
Since there are areas with higher " gun death rates " ..
But actually lower homicide rates.

Face it..its why you anti gunners use " gun death" as a statistic...because if you use say murder rates...the data doesn't support you.

It's also why you include suicide in those rates to inflate your numbers to make it appear that people,are unsafe because of firearms when suicide does not threaten others as actual murder does.

 

[jaeger19]

First responders were fired bud. Last time I ****ing checked they are employed by government.

And your employees have the right to sue you for any side effects caused by the forced vaccine. They should also hold you responsible for any infections proven to have come via work exposure. Since you seem to feel they can force Covid prevention they now open themselves to damages caused by Covid exposure at the workplace.

1. By their employers BUD.
Why should their employers have to deal with increased liability and cost because of tgeir behavior.
2. My employees can choose to work elsewhere.
And yes..my workers comp does cover work place exposures...hence why vaccination is important in order to reduce my costs. Not to mention the healthcare costs for employees..and the cost of overtime etc to cover employees out due to illness.
My employees getting covid is a HUGE cost to me..
It increases my liability if they give a patient covid..
It increases my workers comp if they get covid from the workplace.
It increases my costs for healthcare if they get sick and need tge doctor or medications or be hospitalized
It increases my costs in overtime..and lost revenue when they are out sick.

 

[Daddyo]

You must mean "want" because no one NEEDS a firearm, really.

What does "infringed" mean?

The vast majority of COVID patients survive. Does that mean that we ignore the problem?

How many millions? I doubt that number.

Millions of cars are parked on the street daily, does that mean that accidents are of no concern?

What device is associated with more than 100,000 deaths and injuries yearly in the USA?

No I said need. Your lack of comprehension is your problem not mine. Your childish troll like games are noted.

Look it up. Not going to play your stupid bullshit games. Your position was destroyed an no amount of deflecting or game playing will fix it.

Don’t ignore it. But don’t take away everyone’s right because some die from it. The point!

There are around 13 Billion rounds sold in the US annually. That’s 13,000 million. Must I complete the math for you?

With millions of round being fired with so few incidents it’s hardly a problem. Control is being achieved highly effectively.

Vehicles kill 43,000 and injure 2.5 million. 290
Million cars vs 450 million guns.

 

[jaeger19]

No one who understands anything ballistics will claim that after a bullet leaves the barrel there is any way to control it. You really should learn about firearms.

You go to the range to try to develop limited control over the process of delivering a projectile to a target with the understanding that you do not have complete control over that inherently dangerous process, in other words.

Bingo..
You said it..
"You go to the range to try to develop limited control over the PROCESS of delivering a projectile to a target with the understanding that you do not have complete control over that inherently dangerous PROCESS.".

So you just admitted that it's NOT the firearm that's inherently dangerous..
it's the PROCESS of firing it..that's inherently dangerous.

And of course there are tons of government regulations governing the process of firing a firearm.
Since THATS what's inherently dangerous..
NOT the firearm itself.

" GAME SET AND MATCH" lol.

Now let's move from this inane discussion to why I should care if " guns are designed to kill". Lmao.

 

[Spock]

No I said need. Your lack of comprehension is your problem not mine. Your childish troll like games are noted.

Look it up. Not going to play your stupid bullshit games. Your position was destroyed an no amount of deflecting or game playing will fix it.

Don’t ignore it. But don’t take away everyone’s right because some die from it. The point!

There are around 13 Billion rounds sold in the US annually. That’s 13,000 million. Must I complete the math for you?

With millions of round being fired with so few incidents it’s hardly a problem. Control is being achieved highly effectively.

Vehicles kill 43,000 and injure 2.5 million. 290
Million cars vs 450 million guns.

You seem a bit desperate. Calm down.
This is a discussion about firearms as a contributing factor to successful suicide. Re-focus and get back to me.
Your firearm fantasies are a concern to me, as they should be to other thoughtful Americans, but they are not the reason for this discussion.

 

[Rich2018]

1. And that requires a lot of infrastructure to pay for confidential informants..to catalogue..surveillance e etc.

Really ?
By your calculations - just how much ?

And payments to informants is not infrastructure, or any aspect of police operations.

2. I understand it just fine.. you don't understand what infrastructure is.

Nope, you just proved (above) that you don't know what the word means.

3. Prisons are infrastructure.

No they're not.

4. Millions.. they would be needed as evidence for trial.

And then be destroyed. No extra storage facilities required.

5. They have huge computer systems and data bases that have to be maintained by IT personnel.

How much data can those existing IT systems handle ?
How much spare capacity do they have ?
If you don't know, then you don't know what you're talking about do you ?

They need a whole host of personnel to input that data. And to manipulate that data ..for example search warrants.

No more than they currently have.

6. Yes..building facilities to house records is infrastructure.

No it's not
More evidence that you don't know what the word "infrastructure" means.