US State Dept. :The US officially has withdrawn as mediator in the Ukraine war.

[anatta]

will no longer “fly around the world at the drop of a hat to mediate meetings. She added that these negotiations are “now between the two parties,” adding, “now is the time that they need to present and develop concrete ideas about how this conflict is going to end.”

“It’s going to be up to them,” Bruce said.

There goes that Peace Prize for Trump. Putin and Z both got a lot of killing left in them. Summer warms up the offensives
( Russia gains are slowing but still gains.) The leaders both want to war it out

 

[Tigerace117]

You may laugh at all the Russian dead like Putin does but many Russians are not happy about losing their husbands and sons in a hopeless and useless war of choice.. Or maybe you think they are?

Your claims about Russian dead aren’t even remotely true, as has been established across multiple threads at this point.

 

[MamboDervish]

You refusing to accept the reality that large portions of Ukraine become swamp for much of the year,

Not in March. No - I'm not refusing to accept any reality. You are. Here's the reality. For nearly three years the Russians didn't need any donkeys - not to get through swamps, nor anything else. THIS is why Russia had to resort to using farm animals to keep their troops in the field -> -> ->

Ukraine destroyed 3,000 Russian tanks in past year, US commander tells lawmakers

Gen. Christopher Cavoli, the commander of U.S. European Command, gave lawmakers an update on the war and the current battlefield situation Thursday during a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing.

defensescoop.com

Stop embarrassing yourself. You're making me feel like I'm battering a child.

because it’s inconvenient for your narrative.....can’t actually change the facts.

No - you're in the swamp with the donkeys because the truth is inconvenient for your narrative.

Russian Army’s Use of Donkeys in Ukraine Underscores a Staggering Equipment Shortage - The Moscow Times

Russian soldiers appear to be using horses and donkeys to transport supplies to and from the front lines in Ukraine as high losses and insufficient production have created acute equipment shortages.

www.themoscowtimes.com

Russia deploys donkeys, camels in Ukraine amid resupply struggles

Russian forces are using donkeys, camels and horses to transport supplies and deploy troops in Ukraine amid equipment shortages.

www.newsweek.com

Russia forced to use donkeys to bring ammunition to troops in Ukraine

A solider claimed Russia’s defence ministry was supplying donkeys to directly to troops

www.independent.co.uk

Give it up. Nobody buys the bullshit you're peddling.

 

[iguanaman]

Your claims about Russian dead aren’t even remotely true, as has been established across multiple threads at this point.

So no Russians have died in Ukraine at all? All those video's of hundreds of Russians killed before our eyes are fake? This is the first video war and there is no hiding your losses anymore. Ukraine has destroyed over 10,000 Russian tanks alone. That is most of their Soviet stockpile.

How Has Ukraine Destroyed Nearly 10,000 Russian Tanks? The Answer: Drones​

Russia’s tank arsenal is disintegrating faster than it can be rebuilt. Ukraine has managed to cripple Moscow’s armored forces with industry that, just three years ago, barely existed.

https://united24media.com/war-in-uk...ly-10000-russian-tanks-the-answer-drones-5073

 

[Tigerace117]

Not in March. No - I'm not refusing to accept any reality. You are. Here's the reality. For nearly three years the Russians didn't need any donkeys - not to get through swamps, nor anything else. THIS is why Russia had to resort to using farm animals to keep their troops in the field -> -> ->

Ukraine destroyed 3,000 Russian tanks in past year, US commander tells lawmakers

Gen. Christopher Cavoli, the commander of U.S. European Command, gave lawmakers an update on the war and the current battlefield situation Thursday during a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing.

defensescoop.com

Stop embarrassing yourself. You're making me feel like I'm battering a child.

No - you're in the swamp with the donkeys because the truth is inconvenient for your narrative.

Russian Army’s Use of Donkeys in Ukraine Underscores a Staggering Equipment Shortage - The Moscow Times

Russian soldiers appear to be using horses and donkeys to transport supplies to and from the front lines in Ukraine as high losses and insufficient production have created acute equipment shortages.

www.themoscowtimes.com

Russia deploys donkeys, camels in Ukraine amid resupply struggles

Russian forces are using donkeys, camels and horses to transport supplies and deploy troops in Ukraine amid equipment shortages.

www.newsweek.com

Russia forced to use donkeys to bring ammunition to troops in Ukraine

A solider claimed Russia’s defence ministry was supplying donkeys to directly to troops

www.independent.co.uk

Give it up. Nobody buys the bullshit you're peddling.

You screaming “no no no! I won’t believe it! I won’t!” can’t actually change the marshy conditions Ukraine has devolved into for literal centuries, effecting everyone up to and including Napoleon, Hitler, and Charles XII

And the Russians were hindered by the marshy conditions in the early days of the war, which makes your sputtering even more hilarious.

Especially since you can’t bear to face up to the fact the US made extensive use of donkeys in Afghanistan, for that matter.

The constant defeats and setbacks the Ukrainians continue to face— like being chased out of the tiny handful of Kursk they still clung to— likewise can’t be changed by your blind denial of reality.

 

[Tigerace117]

So no Russians have died in Ukraine at all? All those video's of hundreds of Russians killed before our eyes are fake? This is the first video war and there is no hiding your losses anymore. Ukraine has destroyed over 10,000 Russian tanks alone. That is most of their Soviet stockpile.

How Has Ukraine Destroyed Nearly 10,000 Russian Tanks? The Answer: Drones​

Russia’s tank arsenal is disintegrating faster than it can be rebuilt. Ukraine has managed to cripple Moscow’s armored forces with industry that, just three years ago, barely existed.

https://united24media.com/war-in-uk...ly-10000-russian-tanks-the-answer-drones-5073

You claimed Russian tanks could be “easily” destroyed by machine guns, dude. You also claimed Russia doesn’t have field hospitals and every single Russian WIA was actually dead.

Therefore, your claims about Russian losses are laughable.

 

[MamboDervish]

You screaming “no no no! I won’t believe it! I won’t!” can’t actually change the marshy conditions Ukraine has devolved into for literal centuries, effecting everyone up to and including Napoleon, Hitler, and Charles XII

And the Russians were hindered by the marshy conditions in the early days of the war, which makes your sputtering even more hilarious.

Especially since you can’t bear to face up to the fact the US made extensive use of donkeys in Afghanistan, for that matter.

The constant defeats and setbacks the Ukrainians continue to face— like being chased out of the tiny handful of Kursk they still clung to— likewise can’t be changed by your blind denial of reality.

" ... forced to use" " ... resupply struggles.." "Underscores Staggering Equipment Losses"

I can only assume it was too much trouble for you to read those links. Why bother .... right? They didn't fit your feeble narrative.

 

[Tigerace117]

" ... forced to use" " ... resupply struggles.." "Underscores Staggering Equipment Losses"

I can only assume it was too much trouble for you to read those links. Why bother .... right? They didn't fit your feeble narrative.

Denying the reality of the rasputisa renders your links worthless to begin with.

Western claims about enemy losses have always been laughably inflated going all the way to Vietnam.

The continuing Ukrainian defeats demonstrate how feeble your claims remain.

 

[MamboDervish]

Denying the reality of the rasputisa renders your links worthless to begin with.

Western claims about enemy losses have always been laughably inflated going all the way to Vietnam.

This will be my last post, because I feel sorry for you. I guess you believe that it took Russia three years to figure out that donkeys worked better to move huge amounts of ammo and resupplies than track vehicles in March. Your brainwashing is beyond anything I need waste any more time on.

The continuing Ukrainian defeats demonstrate how feeble your claims remain.

Changing the subject of Russia's desperation in using farm animals won't prop up your sagging bullshit. It's already bounced off the ground.

Blah ... blah ... blah .... blah ... blah ....

G'bye

 

[Tigerace117]

This will be my last post, because I feel sorry for you. I guess you believe that it took Russia three years to figure out that donkeys worked better to move huge amounts of ammo and resupplies than track vehicles in March. Your brainwashing is beyond anything I need waste any more time on.

Changing the subject of Russia's desperation in using farm animals won't prop up your sagging bullshit. It's already bounced off the ground.

Blah ... blah ... blah .... blah ... blah ....

G'bye

It took America twenty years to figure out its efforts in Afghanistan were hopeless, which, once again, makes your posturing rather silly.

As already mentioned, America made extensive use of donkeys in Afghanistan, but American apologists simply can’t bear to face up to reality....as per...always.

 

[iguanaman]

It took America twenty years to figure out its efforts in Afghanistan were hopeless, which, once again, makes your posturing rather silly.

As already mentioned, America made extensive use of donkeys in Afghanistan, but American apologists simply can’t bear to face up to reality....as per...always.

We were in Afghanistan to keep jihadists at bay and while we were there we tried real hard to create a real country where there was none and got burned for trying. It happens and at least the people got what they wanted and we are not trying to enslave them like Russia does. We did not force migrate Americans to live in Afghanistan like Putin did with Russians in Crimea.

Ten years since its annexation, Crimea serves as a grim warning to any Ukrainian lands that fall under Russian occupation

On the peninsular itself, life has changed profoundly. The “land of milk and honey” promised to the population of Crimea at the time of annexation has not materialised. International sanctions, high prices and increasing uncertainty have left the mainstay of the economy, tourism, in the doldrums. And the democratic freedoms that existed under Ukraine have disappeared, not only for the Ukrainian and Tatar populations, but for the Russians too.

The security of Crimea is also under threat as at no time since 2014. Ukrainian rockets and drones have destroyed about 20% of the Russian Navy’s Black Sea Fleet, including the flagship Moskva. And the Kerch bridge – the symbol of Putin’s triumph – has been subject to repeated attacks.

Eradicating non-Russian identity​

Putin swore to safeguard the different national traditions that existed in Crimea when he launched the annexation. These promises were broken immediately and have continued to be broken ever since.

Ukrainian and Tatar languages have been suppressed, political activists arrested and any expression of cultural identity other than Russian is forbidden. The national body of the Crimean Tatars, the Mejlis, has been suppressed and all other representative institutions are a sham, as those in Russia itself.

Religious persecution against the Ukrainians and the Tatars, which is actively assisted by the Russian Orthodox Church, is also an essential part of the Russification policies.

https://theconversation.com/ten-yea...nds-that-fall-under-russian-occupation-226270

 

[Tigerace117]

We were in Afghanistan to keep jihadists at bay and while we were there we tried real hard to create a real country where there was none and got burned for trying. It happens and at least the people got what they wanted and we are not trying to enslave them like Russia does. We did not force migrate Americans to live in Afghanistan like Putin did with Russians in Crimea.

Ten years since its annexation, Crimea serves as a grim warning to any Ukrainian lands that fall under Russian occupation

On the peninsular itself, life has changed profoundly. The “land of milk and honey” promised to the population of Crimea at the time of annexation has not materialised. International sanctions, high prices and increasing uncertainty have left the mainstay of the economy, tourism, in the doldrums. And the democratic freedoms that existed under Ukraine have disappeared, not only for the Ukrainian and Tatar populations, but for the Russians too.

The security of Crimea is also under threat as at no time since 2014. Ukrainian rockets and drones have destroyed about 20% of the Russian Navy’s Black Sea Fleet, including the flagship Moskva. And the Kerch bridge – the symbol of Putin’s triumph – has been subject to repeated attacks.

Eradicating non-Russian identity​

Putin swore to safeguard the different national traditions that existed in Crimea when he launched the annexation. These promises were broken immediately and have continued to be broken ever since.

Ukrainian and Tatar languages have been suppressed, political activists arrested and any expression of cultural identity other than Russian is forbidden. The national body of the Crimean Tatars, the Mejlis, has been suppressed and all other representative institutions are a sham, as those in Russia itself.

Religious persecution against the Ukrainians and the Tatars, which is actively assisted by the Russian Orthodox Church, is also an essential part of the Russification policies.

https://theconversation.com/ten-yea...nds-that-fall-under-russian-occupation-226270

The US was in Afghanistan to set up a compliant puppet state, as usual, and as it turned out, that was precisely how the Afghans wound up seeing it, which is why said state didn’t last a day on its own.

Crimea has had strong secessionist sentiments since the 1990s. The West, as usual, refusing to accept votes when the people in question vote for the “wrong” outcome can’t actually change that fact.

America still honors the Confederacy for fighting to defend actual slavery.

America got 90 plus percent of its country by forcibly migrating Americans in, so that’s clearly not true.

 

[MamboDervish]

The US was in Afghanistan to set up a compliant puppet state, as usual, and as it turned out, that was precisely how the Afghans wound up seeing it, which is why said state didn’t last a day on its own.

Crimea has had strong secessionist sentiments since the 1990s. The West, as usual, refusing to accept votes when the people in question vote for the “wrong” outcome can’t actually change that fact.

America still honors the Confederacy for fighting to defend actual slavery.

America got 90 plus percent of its country by forcibly migrating Americans in, so that’s clearly not true.

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I'm sure you have at least 10 more levels to your pile .... right?

 

[Tigerace117]

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I'm sure you have at least 10 more levels to your pile .... right?

Gee, so much for that being your “last post”

Way to humiliate yourself and prove me right....again.

 

[MamboDervish]

Gee, so much for that being your “last post”

Way to humiliate yourself and prove me right....again.

That was your last failed argument - about Russians using donkeys in those intractable swamps. Did you forget already?

Now you've ventured into an entirely new and different line of bullshit. Capiche?

 

[Tigerace117]

That was your last failed argument - about Russians using donkeys in those intractable swamps. Did you forget already?

Now you've ventured into an entirely new and different line of bullshit. Capiche?

Post number two since you claimed “this will be my last post”.

You certainly seem to have forgotten what you claimed

There was no “failure”. You simply blindly denied the terrain conditions which have existed in Ukraine for literal centuries, and pretending that consists an “argument”.

As usual, you being unable to cope with the facts contradicting the propaganda you cling to so desperately doesn’t actually change said facts.

 

[MamboDervish]

Post number two since you claimed “this will be my last post”.

You certainly seem to have forgotten what you claimed

There was no “failure”. You simply blindly denied the terrain conditions which have existed in Ukraine for literal centuries, and pretending that consists an “argument”.

As usual, you being unable to cope with the facts contradicting the propaganda you cling to so desperately doesn’t actually change said facts.

Sorry, but I've already move on to your next load horseshit propaganda regurgitation. Try to keep up.

Talk about being hornswoggled, you think that people being handed a ballot by Russian troops bearing guns, and asking for their vote, actually expresses the will of the Ukrainians being asked to choose? What the **** have you been smoking?

 

[Tigerace117]

Sorry, but I've already move on to your next load horseshit propaganda regurgitation. Try to keep up.

Talk about being hornswoggled, you think that people being handed a ballot by Russian troops bearing guns, and asking for their vote, actually expresses the will of the Ukrainians being asked to choose? What the **** have you been smoking?

Post number three since you claimed it would be your “last post”. You still have yet to actually debunk any of what I pointed out, of course.

Gee dude, such votes under American occupation in places like Iraq were always accepted as being legitimate, so the posturing is throughly hilarious.

Especially since Crimea has had active secessionist sentiment since the 1990s.....long before the Russians occupied the place.

 

[MamboDervish]

Post number three since you claimed it would be your “last post”. You still have yet to actually debunk any of what I pointed out, of course.

Gee dude, such votes under American occupation in places like Iraq were always accepted as being legitimate, so the posturing is throughly hilarious.

Oh, PUH-LEEEEZE .... spare us all the ignorant bullshit. No American military ever went door to door asking Iraqis to vote about anything. Those elections were administered in public polling places by the Iraqis themselves. Is this your individual psychopathology - turning history into a pretzel at every turn, just to serve your masters on every subject? I can see this argument will be wrapping up even faster than your last failure.

Especially since Crimea has had active secessionist sentiment since the 1990s.....long before the Russians occupied the place.

 

[Tigerace117]

Oh, PUH-LEEEEZE .... spare us all the ignorant bullshit. No American military ever went door to door asking Iraqis to vote about anything. Those elections were administered in public polling places by the Iraqis themselves. Is this your individual psychopathology - turning history into a pretzel at every turn, just to serve your masters on every subject? I can see this argument will be wrapping up even faster than your last failure.

American troops went door to door killing Iraqi civilians though, yes. You think people forget about things like that? Especially when none of the troops went to jail for it?

You think the Iraqis ignored the torture of innocent civilians?

You think they ignored the air strikes on innocent civilians?

The pretense that anything other than parties subservient to the occupiers could win the elections is a laughable joke, in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Which is a big part of why the regime in Afghanistan collapsed so quickly the nanosecond America said it was leaving.

The locals, as it turned out, never saw those “elections” as anything other than a rubber stamp for the foreigners controlling their country.

But way to establish your claim that that was your “last post” was complete nonsense.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Oh, PUH-LEEEEZE .... spare us all the ignorant bullshit. No American military ever went door to door asking Iraqis to vote about anything. Those elections were administered in public polling places by the Iraqis themselves. Is this your individual psychopathology - turning history into a pretzel at every turn, just to serve your masters on every subject? I can see this argument will be wrapping up even faster than your last failure.

Not only stridently anti-American, but also a gish-gallop historical revisionist.

 

[Tigerace117]

Not only stridently anti-American, but also a gish-gallop historical revisionist.

Historical revisionism? Gee, you mean like how Ukraine tries to present devoted fascists and Nazi collaborators like Stepan Bandera as “heroes”?

As usual, blind denial can’t change the facts.

 

[iguanaman]

The contradiction between claims of astronomous deaths and absence of a Russian collapse is mind boggling

I agree. There is no doubt that Putin's disregard for human life of even his own people is mind boggling. Modern warfare is not compatible with Stalin's "Victory at any price" mindset. Charging Ukrainian positions over and over in meat waves with horrendous losses just is not an effective way to gain ground. Hoping Ukrainians will run out of ammo is not a military tactic it is madness.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Somewhere Putin is smiling.

Smiling or not, this is not our mess to deal with. Let the EU deal with it since it was them who produced the catalyst for it.

 

[ElChupacabra]

This might be a good opportunity for China and India to step in and try to broker a peace deal. This obviously is above Donald’s paygrade.

So are his negotiation assessment skills since he said he would have a deal in 24 hours. Remind me again, did he campaign on negotiating peace in Ukraine or a minerals deal because I don't remember the latter being the one I kept hearing about.