Of course the woman has an "inherent right to say no to sex, no to pregnancy, donation of her blood" etc. etc. So DON'T HAVE SEX then you won't get pregnant. Choice is yours. But if you want to have sex, go for it - understanding of course (one would hope) that if you do there's a possibility you could get pregnant.
But don't presume to use abortion as your argument against the logical, biological consequence of the decision you made - unless of course you agree with me that doing so is tacit proof you're using abortion as a convenience.
I don't go for it. If I decide to drive a car and get into an accident, if I'm hurt even in only a small way, I certainly have a right to go to a doctor and get the problem treated. Nobody says, "Those were the risks." You may have to pay some money, but it's just money - your body can be treated and go back to normal.
Actually, you most certainly ARE imposing your morality. We both are. Abortion is a moral decision, however you look at it.
Nope. A person who supports legal choice is supporting individual legal choices for the woman and the doctor.
A person who isn't supporting legal choice is imposing their morality on the body of another person by the force of law, which is backed up by legal physical violence.
"Rape?" Good grief. Your arguments are entirely emotional and utterly irrational; they lack any semblance of logical reasoning or basis in fact. You've misrepresented everything I've said or are incapable of understanding the arguments made; moreover, it's patently obvious you haven't the first clue what your own arguments are, being all over the map emotionally and thoroughly off it logically.
I think we're done with whatever this "discussion" actually is.
No, this isn't an emotional argument. I've been raped - stranger raped - so I objectively understand rape very well. When a person doesn't get your consent to have one of his body parts inside one of the orifices of your body and puts it there anyway and keeps it there until he/she is personally sexually satisfied, that's rape.
But there's another type of rape. It's possible for someone to start to rape you in your sleep and for you to wake up and find that that person's body part is being kept inside your body without your consent for the purpose of eventual personal sexual satisfaction. That's rape, too.
In either case, you have a right, at least in NY, to stop this act of rape, if it is at the stage of serious threat or the stage of already existing penetration. Here, you can use lethal force if necessary, and so can a third party.
When an embryo is attached to the woman's body inside her, you can define it as either part of her body or not. If you emphasize that it is a unique individual, if it did not have her consent to implant, it's raping her - just as a man is if she gave him consent to put a body part in her vagina but not in her anus or mouth, and he put it in the latter over her objections.
Of course, the embryo may be innocent. Well, if it's equal to a person, a legally insane man is innocent, too, but the woman he's threatening to rape doesn't have to ask him, "Excuse me, but are you legally insane?" before doing whatever she has to do to stop him, including the use of lethal force. Ditto for a third party.
We may point out that since the embryo has no mind, the woman isn't being raped, as rape requires an intention. Hey, that's okay because you support the embryo's staying in the woman's body without her consent, your intention, which is to keep an entity by force of law inside a sex organ of a woman until she personally sexually satisfies you by giving birth to a baby.
So now we see that the real rapist in the case is the person willing to use the force of law to coercively control the woman's body till she gives birth to a baby. You of course will pretend that this isn't about sexual intent, but it is. You don't want her to write a novel, give a speech, personify liberty or justice, etc. You want her to be carnally pregnant and carnally push a baby out of her as part of the act of sexual reproduction.
You can't cover up the inherent nature of forcing a woman to continue a physical sexual pregnancy.
