US Police arrest Florida pastor

Fiddytree · Sep 12, 2013

Jones would have been all-but-forgotten had they not arrested him again. If a bunch of folks in the Middle East actually raise hell, because of what some guy did with an immensely small congregation, then they are the ones with issues, not us. You don't give into childish behavior, just to appease the child. If the child wants to kill its own or others in its walls because of something like this, then they deserve a strict presence by their governments.

X Factor · Sep 12, 2013

Serenity said:
Agreed that he has a constitutional right to free speech...

And really, if Jones wants to continue to make it all about him on every anniversay of the 9/11 tragedy (because this is not the first time he has said he is going to burn a Quran on the anniversary of 9/11), why doesn't he just burn a Quran? I mean he should stop talking about it every year and just get it over with. Show us he's not wasting everybody's time. At least hold a match up to a Quran, get a crazed look in his eyes and wave his arms around like one of the extremist lunatics you see in the ME, dance around a little, spit a little and then do it. Burn baby burn!

Instead he's a coward and a ***** who talks the talk but won't walk the walk. He wants to make it all about him on 9/11 and take focus away from the victims. A religious nutjob who is no different to the WBC and those he condemns. Here's a thought, next year when he goes down the same path - he should be able to burn as many as he likes. The media shouldn't give him the platform that he so desperately desires and should instead just focus on commemorating the anniversary of the attack and honor the victims and survivors without the nutjobs getting the media attention.

I agree totally. If the guy didn't get the attention, he'd just fade away. He's like a real life troll.

Aunt Spiker · Sep 12, 2013

Higgins86 said:
No I was fine with the dangers that is why I signed up when I was 16. What I didn't like was taking bullets because of bull**** from back home which had nothing to do with my mission and got in the way of the job I was supposed to be doing. Yes Common sense great word common sense, common sense would be not to let a uneducated fool incite hate and endanger countless lives. Glad you and your husband are ok with that though and of course I imagine you will be willing to pick up a rifle and protect those embassy workers who get attacked on their way to work....Thought not.

You're still excusing their actions, and refusing to place the blame for their actions on them.

I'm sorry - but I can't stomach the idea of just stepping aside and going 'okay - here - take whatever you want' to anyone for any reason just because they're more unhinged.

X Factor · Sep 12, 2013

Higgins86 said:
Its not the muslims in the US that are the issue

But US law is and like it or not, Jones is in the US bound by our laws no matter how horrific as you apparently believe them to be.

Higgins86 · Sep 12, 2013

Aunt Spiker said:
You're still excusing their actions, and refusing to place the blame for their actions on them.

I'm sorry - but I can't stomach the idea of just stepping aside and going 'okay - here - take whatever you want' to anyone for any reason just because they're more unhinged.

im not excusing their actions at all you misunderstanding me. I don't give a flying **** about extremist Muslims and their rights but I do care about the Collation forces still in Afghan who's job would get even more dangerous and harder than it already is. It isn't about the extremist Muslims its about getting our lads home and supporting them the best we can from home and if that means this idiot doesn't get to burn 3000 books then so be it.

Fiddytree · Sep 12, 2013

Higgins86 said:
No victim act from me I'm just telling you how it is. Its easy to sit on a computer and talk about your rights and no backing down etc. But the fact is you are not the one in the firing line, stopping people like this pastor protects Americans worldwide and not just soldiers either.

And the public would be paying the price as a result of constant appeasement of foreign overreaction. One may disagree on whether or not each administration went too far in adapting to international terrorism, but the Bush and Obama administrations have been very clear that they do not want to dramatically alter the United States in order to combat its enemies.

X Factor · Sep 12, 2013

Aunt Spiker said:
You're still excusing their actions, and refusing to place the blame for their actions on them.

I'm sorry - but I can't stomach the idea of just stepping aside and going 'okay - here - take whatever you want' to anyone for any reason just because they're more unhinged.

Yeah, think of the message that would send. What other Constitutional rights could they (I mean the violent nut jobs specifically) get us to "sacrifice"? Behavior that is rewarded is repeated, so if we reward the nutjobs by carving out special protective laws just for their preferred texts, how else are we going to allow ourselves to be coerced?

Peter King · Sep 12, 2013

Ray410 said:
How easily Obama gave Islam control over America. Absolutely disgusting cowardice by our leaders.

Let us see, Florida:

Senate of Florida: 26 republicans versus 14 democrats

Congress of Florida: 76 republicans versus 44 democrats

Governor of Florida: Republican

Polk county:

first district republican commissioner

second district republican commissioner

third district republican commissioner

fourth district republican commissioner

fifth district republican commissioner

Sheriff is also a republican

But who is blamed for his arrest? Of course, Obama is to blame. Not the government of Florida with all them republican leading the state or the Polk county government in which all 5 commissioners are republicans and where the sheriff is also a republican. Even if the arrest warrant would have been signed (and it is not of course, just making a point here) by all 76 republican congressman, 26 republican senators, the republican governor, all 5 republican commissioners of Polk county, the republican sheriff, all the republican members of congress of the USA, all republican senators of the USA, George W. Bush, Herman Cain, Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, Mike Huckabee, Bobby Jindall, Paul Rand, Marco Rubio, Paul Ryan, Rick Santorum, Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, John Huntsman, Michelle Bachman, Rick Perry and miss Alaska herself Sarah Palin had given it stamp of approval, I bet you all the conservatives would be belly aching in choir, with Fox News screaming and shouting at the top of their voices, that it was all the fault of Barack Obama.

Captain Adverse · Sep 12, 2013

Higgins86 said:
No I was fine with the dangers that is why I signed up when I was 16. What I didn't like was taking bullets because of bull**** from back home which had nothing to do with my mission and got in the way of the job I was supposed to be doing. Yes Common sense great word common sense, common sense would be not to let a uneducated fool incite hate and endanger countless lives. Glad you and your husband are ok with that though and of course I imagine you will be willing to pick up a rifle and protect those embassy workers who get attacked on their way to work....Thought not.

I'm sorry to say, while I appreciate your service and respect your viewpoint IMO I think your position is wrong.

First, being in a hostile environment means exactly that...you are going to be facing danger. Unknown enemies are going to be taking pot-shots at you whenever they can. It is not the duty of those you left behind at home to "protect" you by curbing their own freedoms; it is your job to protect yourself and your squadmates, their job to protect themselves and you, and your officer's and nco's jobs to look out for everyone within mission parameters.

Second, the people you are facing need no excuses to shoot at you. I mean, did each one pop up and state "I'm shooting you because someone drew a picture of Mohammed!", or "I'm shooting you because someone just burned a Quoran!"...? No, they were shooting at you because they want you GONE!

Third, you were in Afghanistan. I'm sure you are aware of the history of that part of the world. The hill tribes have been shooting at everyone including each other for as long as missile weapons have existed. Right now several are unified against western troops, just as they were unified against Russian troops, and against British Raj troops, and against the Moguls, Persians, Alexander...Again, they definitely need no special excuse to shoot at foreign soldiers stationed there.

Why should people back home be limited in their freedoms simply because you think it might make people already hostile somehow "less" hostile? The only way that would happen is to LEAVE Afghanistan entirely (which in my opinion is the better option).

Fiddytree · Sep 12, 2013

X Factor said:
Yeah, think of the message that would send. What other Constitutional rights could they (I mean the violent nut jobs specifically) get us to "sacrifice"? Behavior that is rewarded is repeated, so if we reward the nutjobs by carving out special protective laws just for their preferred texts, how else are we going to allow ourselves to be coerced?

The problem I have with it is it gives foreigners control over our lives. We apparently can not control what they get outraged at, and if we are supposed to just bend to their will each time they may get offended at something someone does, somewhere, we have to ask ourselves who the hell our government represents.

X Factor · Sep 12, 2013

Higgins86 said:
im not excusing their actions at all you misunderstanding me. I don't give a flying **** about extremist Muslims and their rights but I do care about the Collation forces still in Afghan who's job would get even more dangerous and harder than it already is. It isn't about the extremist Muslims its about getting our lads home and supporting them the best we can from home and if that means this idiot doesn't get to burn 3000 books then so be it.

You are excusing their actions when you dismiss them and make it a point of saying how they just don't concern you. You made a comment about the US becoming isolationists, the more I read and see, the more I'm beginning to think it's a good idea, especially if it means you all stop believing you have some moral standing to tell us we should "sacrifice" our Constitutional rights. Where do we draw the line (or do we ever)?

Higgins86 · Sep 12, 2013

Fiddytree said:
And the public would be paying the price as a result of constant appeasement of foreign overreaction. One may disagree on whether or not each administration went too far in adapting to international terrorism, but the Bush and Obama administrations have been very clear that they do not want to dramatically alter the United States in order to combat its enemies.

what it comes down to for me is that we are so much better than they are in every way. If they want to act like animals, disrespect other religions, murder people based on beliefs etc then let them. Countries like America/Britain/France/Canada etc are so much better than that so lets not stoop to their level.

Higgins86 · Sep 12, 2013

X Factor said:
You are excusing their actions when you dismiss them and make it a point of saying how they just don't concern you. You made a comment about the US becoming isolationists, the more I read and see, the more I'm beginning to think it's a good idea, especially if it means you all stop believing you have some standing to tell we should "sacrifice" our Constitutional rights.

We wouldn't have a say if it didn't effect us but as I have pointed out it directly effects our soldiers on the frontlines and it effects us because we our your allies. Can't have your cake and eat it my friend.

Fiddytree · Sep 12, 2013

Higgins86 said:
what it comes down to for me is that we are so much better than they are in every way. If they want to act like animals, disrespect other religions, murder people based on beliefs etc then let them. Countries like America/Britain/France/Canada etc are so much better than that so lets not stoop to their level.

Then why bother locking up someone who barely anyone cares about, just because a group around the world snoops in and starts blowing it out of proportion?

Higgins86 · Sep 12, 2013

Captain Adverse said:
I'm sorry to say, while I appreciate your service and respect your viewpoint IMO I think your position is wrong.

First, being in a hostile environment means exactly that...you are going to be facing danger. Unknown enemies are going to be taking pot-shots at you whenever they can. It is not the duty of those you left behind at home to "protect" you by curbing their own freedoms; it is your job to protect yourself and you squadmates, their job to protect themselves and you, and your officer's and nco's jobs to look out for everyone within mission parameters.

Second, the people you are facing need no excuses to shoot at you. I mean, did each one pop up and state "I'm shooting you because someone drew a picture of Mohammed!", or "I'm shooting you because someone just burned a Quoran!"...? No, they were shooting at you because they want you GONE!

Third, you were in Afghanistan. I'm sure you are aware of the history of that part of the world. The hill tribes have been shooting at everyone including each other for as long as missile weapons have existed. Right now several are unified against western troops, just as they were unified against Russian troops, and against British Raj troops, and against the Moguls, Persians, Alexander...Again, they definitely need no special excuse to shoot at foreign soldiers stationed there.

Why should people back home be limited in their freedoms simply because you think it might make people already hostile somehow "less" hostile? The only way that would happen is to LEAVE Afghanistan entirely (which in my opinion is the better option).

No its wasn't insurgents shooting at us it was regular people who turned to the insurgents who had before that had been very co-operative however they turned violent because of this particular story and the pictures showing British troops torturing local prisoners. Yes you expect to be shot at in a hostile environment but you don't expect your own country to make the situation worse which was the point I was trying to make.

( I was in basra Iraq not afghan sorry might of been confusing).

Higgins86 · Sep 12, 2013

Fiddytree said:
Then why bother locking up someone who barely anyone cares about, just because a group around the world snoops in and starts blowing it out of proportion?

its the 21st century he doesn't need the press its called youtube.

DiAnna · Sep 12, 2013

Higgins86 said:
We wouldn't have a say if it didn't effect us but as I have pointed out it directly effects our soldiers on the frontlines and it effects us because we our your allies. Can't have your cake and eat it my friend.

As I've already said, you can criticize America and our constitution until you are blue in the face. We will not give up our constitutional rights to please murderous enemies who already want us dead... nor will we give them up because you want us to.

X Factor · Sep 12, 2013

Higgins86 said:
what it comes down to for me is that we are so much better than they are in every way. If they want to act like animals, disrespect other religions, murder people based on beliefs etc then let them. Countries like America/Britain/France/Canada etc are so much better than that so lets not stoop to their level.

"Let them?" Are you fvcking kidding? You're ok with them doing all that stuff but flip your wig over a couple burned books? We may have English in common but we truly speak a different language.

Fiddytree · Sep 12, 2013

Higgins86 said:
its the 21st century he doesn't need the press its called youtube.

There is nothing less civilized than mob justice.

X Factor · Sep 12, 2013

Higgins86 said:
We wouldn't have a say if it didn't effect us but as I have pointed out it directly effects our soldiers on the frontlines and it effects us because we our your allies. Can't have your cake and eat it my friend.

You actually don't have a say anyway. What other Constitutional rights would you like to see us "sacrifice" so as not to offend your sensibilities?

Higgins86 · Sep 12, 2013

DiAnna said:
As I've already said, you can criticize America and our constitution until you are blue in the face. We will not give up our constitutional rights to please murderous enemies who already want us dead... nor will we give them up because you want us to.

Then pull back your forces...Your not this backwater country from the 1700's anymore your the most powerful country in the world by your own making but yet you seem to get confused by how certain actions by your citizens can directly effect your troops and allied troops in combat? You can't just say what you want anymore your the big kid in the playground which is something your government understands fully.

Fiddytree · Sep 12, 2013

Higgins86 said:
Then pull back your forces...Your not this backwater country from the 1700's anymore your the most powerful country in the world by your own making but yet you seem to get confused by how certain actions by your citizens can directly effect your troops and allied troops in combat? You can't just say what you want anymore your the big kid in the playground which is something your government understands fully.

Then by all means, we should start asking for their governments to jail every single person that rails against Americans in a demonstration. Then, at home, we should start looting and becoming dogs because of a youtube video.

DiAnna · Sep 12, 2013

Higgins86 said:
Then pull back your forces...Your not this backwater country from the 1700's anymore your the most powerful country in the world by your own making but yet you seem to get confused by how certain actions by your citizens can directly effect your troops and allied troops in combat? You can't just say what you want anymore your the big kid in the playground which is something your government understands fully.

I tire of you telling us what we and our government should do. Tell Cameron to take it up with Obama. This one-way whinefest now bores me.

Higgins86 · Sep 12, 2013

X Factor said:
You actually don't have a say anyway. What other Constitutional rights would you like to see us "sacrifice" so as not to offend your sensibilities?

well none of us have a say because this a debate forum and I am merely offering my opinion not trying to enforce anything. Trust me if had that kind of power I would tear the Webster dictionary up and make you speak the Queens English

Beaudreaux · Sep 12, 2013

DiAnna said:
As I've already said, you can criticize America and our constitution until you are blue in the face. We will not give up our constitutional rights to please murderous enemies who already want us dead... nor will we give them up because you want us to.

Damn right!!!!

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