'US missiles' hit Pakistan school

[Infinite Chaos]

Missiles thought to have been fired by the US have killed at least seven students of a religious school in north-western Pakistan, witnesses say.
The school, in North Waziristan, is close to the residence of a fugitive Taleban leader, Jalaluddin Haqqani, witnesses told the BBC Urdu Service.

At least two missiles, reportedly fired by pilotless US drones, hit the school early on Thursday.

The Pakistani army is investigating the incident. The US has made no comment.

The latest missile attack comes hours after the Pakistani parliament unanimously adopted a resolution calling on the government to defend its sovereignty and expel foreign fighters from the region.

--snip--

At least six people were injured in the attack. It is still not clear whether there were any foreign fighters among the dead students.

Local people have said that most of the injured were local students at the seminary.

The residential complex of Jalaluddin Haqqani had been targeted by a previous missile attack, in which more than 10 people had been killed or injured.

North Waziristan is known as a haven for Taleban and al-Qaeda fighters seeking sanctuary from fighting in Afghanistan.

Foreign fighters from Uzbekistan, Afghanistan and the Middle East are all thought to be based there.

Story here: BBC

There have been posts like this before, there have been protests by Pakistan about this before but I'm beginning to think the Pakistanis aren't complaining as vociferously as if they really didn't want the al-Qaeda and Taleban fighters dealt with. These US strikes are doing the Pakistanis job for them and solving one major territorial problem in the long term.

Initial sovereign concern has slipped into quiet acceptance that Pakistan - and not because Pakistan can't shoot the drones down.. but this will only last if the victims of the air-strikes continue to be terrorists and not innocent Pakistani villagers.

 

[Jake Blues]

The Pakistani government can claim they are against it ,plausable deniability. The problem is they aren't fooling the tribals in Waziristan.They know the Government is nodding and winking to the US government.

I don't know how effective it is(the missile strikes from far away).I hope we are not killing too many civilians.That will only turn more people against us.This is where they get the pool of suicide bombers from.

 

[Captain America]

If a school or seminary was known to be the spawning/training grounds for future terrorists, as many in Pakistan are known to be, would it be wrong to nip these little terrorists in the bud?

Just askin'...

 

[Infinite Chaos]

If --

If they've become terrorists you might have grounds for air strikes. If they are being "groomed" and are innocent then you simply play into the hands of al-Qaeda and create the grounds for more martyrs.

It's about being 110% in your intelligence.

 

[dirtpoorchris]

If a school or seminary was known to be the spawning/training grounds for future terrorists, as many in Pakistan are known to be, would it be wrong to kill these little terrorists?

Just askin'...

Please don't sugar up the spoonful of medicine.

 

[shiznit770]

There have been posts like this before, there have been protests by Pakistan about this before but I'm beginning to think the Pakistanis aren't complaining as vociferously as if they really didn't want the al-Qaeda and Taleban fighters dealt with. These US strikes are doing the Pakistanis job for them and solving one major territorial problem in the long term.

Initial sovereign concern has slipped into quiet acceptance that Pakistan - and not because Pakistan can't shoot the drones down.. but this will only last if the victims of the air-strikes continue to be terrorists and not innocent Pakistani villagers.

If they've become terrorists you might have grounds for air strikes. If they are being "groomed" and are innocent then you simply play into the hands of al-Qaeda and create the grounds for more martyrs.

If a school or seminary was known to be the spawning/training grounds for future terrorists, as many in Pakistan are known to be, would it be wrong to nip these little terrorists in the bud?

I don't know how effective it is(the missile strikes from far away).I hope we are not killing too many civilians.That will only turn more people against us.This is where they get the pool of suicide bombers from.

The apathy for loss of civilian life is amazing here. How is our justification for killing civilians any different than a terrorist attack that kills 1 guilty party and 50 civilians? Both sides claim they are doing it for revenge and self-preservation.

 

[kaya'08]

If a school or seminary was known to be the spawning/training grounds for future terrorists, as many in Pakistan are known to be, would it be wrong to nip these little terrorists in the bud?

Just askin'...

:shock:

You must be winding us up....there kids, or does that not matter? There children, they have no "minds of there own" if you will (of course they do but to a certain extent; i mean there children. Easily influenced). I mean, i think you know the response to this. No, they shouldnt. And plus, its a war crime but as usual people will forgive the US and move on. They should be rehabilitated, and there teachers killed.

 

[kaya'08]

And plus, its a war crime but as usual people will forgive the US and move on. They should be rehabilitated, and there teachers killed.

Bombing schools, that is.

 

[Vader]

Bombing schools, that is.

Not when terrorists are hiding weapons inside them.

 

[Vader]

The apathy for loss of civilian life is amazing here. How is our justification for killing civilians any different than a terrorist attack that kills 1 guilty party and 50 civilians? Both sides claim they are doing it for revenge and self-preservation.

The loss of civilian life is the fault of the terrorist assholes who hide weapons in civilian homes, schools, shopping areas ... ect.

If people do not like it, they can stop supporting terrorism and kick the terrorists out of their country.

 

[Red_Dave]

The loss of civilian life is the fault of the terrorist assholes who hide weapons in civilian homes, schools, shopping areas ... ect.

If people do not like it, they can stop supporting terrorism and kick the terrorists out of their country.

You expect them to stick their necks out for those that are bombing their schools?

 

[moe]

Not when terrorists are hiding weapons inside them.

In the American Revolution the British saw the Minute Men as terrorists. We see them as hero's. All in the perception. Many of these people have lived under oppressive regimes and warlords and the US is seen as supporting that system and what we see as terrorists they see as freedom fighters.

Our mistake is thinking the whole world wants to be just like us. They don't. They do not think like us. Do not believe like us etc. The do not want our culture our values our political system our religion. They only thing they share with us is they want to live in peace with Justice. But they want their form of justice. Not somebody else's.

Everything is propaganda with ulterior motives. Our or any other Government does not really care about these people. We are not fighting for their rights we are fighting for our own interests.

There are genocides happening all over the world. Innocent men and women chained in hell holes etc. Dictators that make Saddam look like a choir boy. There are nor there will be any US paratroopers falling from the sky or M1 Abrams roaring across the borders to save them.

In the past the US has supported brutal regimes. Marcos Somoza. The Shah of Iran's secret police Savak were known for torture and murder. That had much to do with the installment of Ayatollah Kohomeini's regime. Our policies actually have created the current situation in Iran.

Moe

 

[dirtpoorchris]

In the American Revolution the British saw the Minute Men as terrorists. We see them as hero's. All in the perception. Many of these people have lived under oppressive regimes and warlords and the US is seen as supporting that system and what we see as terrorists they see as freedom fighters.

Our mistake is thinking the whole world wants to be just like us. They don't. They do not think like us. Do not believe like us etc. The do not want our culture our values our political system our religion. They only thing they share with us is they want to live in peace with Justice. But they want their form of justice. Not somebody else's.

Everything is propaganda with ulterior motives. Our or any other Government does not really care about these people. We are not fighting for their rights we are fighting for our own interests.

There are genocides happening all over the world. Innocent men and women chained in hell holes etc. Dictators that make Saddam look like a choir boy. There are nor there will be any US paratroopers falling from the sky or M1 Abrams roaring across the borders to save them.

In the past the US has supported brutal regimes. Marcos Somoza. The Shah of Iran's secret police Savak were known for torture and murder. That had much to do with the installment of Ayatollah Kohomeini's regime. Our policies actually have created the current situation in Iran.

Moe

Imagine if the British then had the media and hollywood control that we have now. Minute-men would have been portrayed as the biggest terrorist in the world and a coalition of Britian and their buddies would have came to smush um.

 

[Vader]

You expect them to stick their necks out for those that are bombing their schools?

I expect them to resist the terrorists who want to hide weapons in their schools, hospitals, and civilian homes.

The terrorists are the real enemy there. If we do not bomb them, the terrorists will do there what they do in the Iraqi exclusion zones.

This cannot be allowed.

 

[kaya'08]

Not when terrorists are hiding weapons inside them.

But in this paticular case, where there bombs inside the school?

 

[moe]

I expect them to resist the terrorists who want to hide weapons in their schools, hospitals, and civilian homes.

The terrorists are the real enemy there. If we do not bomb them, the terrorists will do there what they do in the Iraqi exclusion zones.

This cannot be allowed.

Viet Nam, The lesson not learned. Bombing the crap out of North Viet Nam only pissed them off even more and only strengthend their resolve to fight us tooth and nail to the bitter end.

The more you bomb the more new terrorists you make

Moe

 

[Vader]

Viet Nam, The lesson not learned. Bombing the crap out of North Viet Nam only pissed them off even more and only strengthend their resolve to fight us tooth and nail to the bitter end.

The more you bomb the more new terrorists you make

Moe

We aren't making terrorists. The Islamic brainwashing machine in those nations does that without help from us.

Also .... the region of Pakistan we're hitting is a lawless tribal hellhole region where Al Quack is hiding its sorry terrorist leadership.

If the people in that area have an objection, they can kick Al Qauck and the Taliban (Sounds like an Arab toliet paper brand name) out of the area. Then the US will not drop bombs on that area anymore.

Why do we have to bomb it? We have to bomb it because terrorists and thier scum-sucking buddies are hiding out there.

No terrorists = no problem.

Period.

 

[Vader]

But in this paticular case, where there bombs inside the school?

Contrary to the liberal propganda machine and the terrorist rhetoric floating around; the USA DOES NOT choose targets randomly. If it got hit with US bombs, there was a VALID reason for doing so.

Those targets are chosen by trained military members who are relying on military (not Bush/Cheney) intelligence sources.

If there were no ties to terrorists or terrorism or even Islamic extremeists, those sites would not have been hit.

Do not blame US for things that happen because terrorists are hinding among civilians.

The people of these cities should be stamping out the terrorists instead of helping them. If not for the Islam-o-nazi brainwashing that occurs in those areas, the people probably would stomp the terrorists out.

Again ... a side effect of over islamification.

:doh

 

[moe]

Those targets are chosen by trained military members who are relying on military (not Bush/Cheney) intelligence sources.

If there were no ties to terrorists or terrorism or even Islamic extremeists, those sites would not have been hit.

Do not blame US for things that happen because terrorists are hinding among civilians.

Gulf War's Friendly Fire Tally Triples; Pentagon: 35 Died In Accidental Attacks | Article from The Washington Post | HighBeam Research
The Pentagon disclosed yesterday that 35 of the 148 American servicemen and women who perished on the battlefield in the Persian Gulf War were killed inadvertently by their comrades, an extraordinary proportion by historical standards and more than three times the number previously acknowledged.

"Friendly fire," or accidental attacks on U.S. troops by other U.S. troops, also accounted for 72 of 467 Americans wounded in action, according to a summary released of a comprehensive assessment by the military services. Senior officers who briefed reporters yesterday withheld nearly all details of the 28 friendly fire incidents, including the names of the casualties, their specific
units below ...

This is from a May 2003 article.

Surveys pointing to high civilian death toll in Iraq | csmonitor.com
The combination of cluster-bomb use, inaccurate artillery fire at Iraqi troops concentrated near civilian areas, and street fighting in towns throughout Iraq means that the number of civilian deaths might be as high as 10,000, say two researchers from two different teams who asked not to be identified until the evidence was clearer.?

And you do not think that this kind of action does not create more terrorists,
I am no dove but I see what people mean about you now.

Moe

 

[Vader]

This is from a May 2003 article.
And you do not think that this kind of action does not create more terrorists,
I am no dove but I see what people mean about you now.

Accidents happen. It is sad and everybody involved in sorry about what happened.

99.9% of attacks on terrorists and their butt buddies are ON TARGET.

If the terrorists were not operating in the area, it probably would never have been hit... accidentally or otherwise.

Also ... in regards to what the liberals say about me... WHO CARES.

I don't and you shouldn't either.

If you cannot think for yourself, you need to stop posting here.

Be wise ... do not let them think for you.

 

[moe]

Also ... in regards to what the liberals say about me... WHO CARES.

I don't and you shouldn't either.

If you cannot think for yourself, you need to stop posting here.

Be wise ... do not let them think for you.

It is war and in war there is collateral damage I agree. A very sad fact but it is true. And I am not a liberal nor do liberals do my thinking for me. You do not seem to realize or care that there are Muslim victims involved this mess to. They never meant us any harm but because of politics and fanaticism they have lost their homes lively hoods family members. You just do not seem to really care. That is what disturbs me about you. Your kill em all and let God sort em out attitude. Which actually brings us down to the same animal level of the terrorists.

Moe

 

[Vader]

It is war and in war there is collateral damage I agree. A very sad fact but it is true. And I am not a liberal nor do liberals do my thinking for me. You do not seem to realize or care that there are Muslim victims involved this mess to. They never meant us any harm but because of politics and fanaticism they have lost their homes lively hoods family members. You just do not seem to really care. That is what disturbs me about you. Your kill em all and let God sort em out attitude. Which actually brings us down to the same animal level of the terrorists.

Moe

Actually, I do care. I am sorry for them and I wish their government had the balls to kick the terrorists out.

I am sorry for the innocents... I truly am. I happen to be a realist and I know from experience that more often then not those claiming to be totally innocent are not totally innocent.

This is one of the main reasons why I press the issue of terrorists being allowed to stay in civilian areas. Palestine has an issue with this and so does Lebanon.

For that reason, I have always favored forcefully removing Hezballah and Hamas. Those groups cause massive needless casualties just by being in civilian areas.

Iran is to blame for Hizballah's actions. Hamas is to blame for their own actions. Both have blood on their hands; both hide in civilian areas.

Then the alleged "innocent victims" are dressing up like these terrorist assholes.

This is unacceptable to me. If they want to be preceived as a victim, they need to distance themselves from the terrorists who made them victims.

This situation could be completely eliminated if the terrorists were forced out of Palestine and Lebanon.

Until the people are willing to make a stand against the terrorists, they will continue to be in the line of fire.

It's disturbing, sad, and complete waste of life... which these people seem to choose. They could rid themselves of the terrorists and live in peace but they choose not to do so.

It's just nuts.

Moreover, I do apologize for thinking you were liberal. You are clearly too intelligent for that to be true.

Best Regards,

Vader.

 

[moe]

I am sorry for the innocents... I truly am. I happen to be a realist and I know from experience that more often then not those claiming to be totally innocent are not totally innocent.

And perhaps I misunderstood you also. Your above post shows that am mistaken about you and so I to apologize for that mistake.

Moe

 

[Vader]

And perhaps I misunderstood you also. Your above post shows that am mistaken about you and so I to apologize for that mistake.

Moe

No worries.

I realize I make a horrible first impression.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

The apathy for loss of civilian life is amazing here.

You quoted me, would you mind explaining for me where you see my "apathy" and how would you want me to report this or record my reaction? Just curious..