US launches questioning of ex-POW Bergdahl

[Navy Pride]

I hope they throw the book at this traitor.

US launches questioning of ex-POW Bergdahl

 

[APACHERAT]

 

[Top Cat]

I hope they throw the book at this traitor.

US launches questioning of ex-POW Bergdahl

Perhaps you should start a poll?

 

[Gladiator]

I hope they throw the book at this traitor.

US launches questioning of ex-POW Bergdahl

Just ask Bergdahl trick questions, so he can be charged with perjury, and avoid the difficult question of AWOL vs Desertion.

Should Bergdahl have anticipated that he would not be able to return to his base, in a few days?

The Taliban had not been holding US soldiers as prisoners, before Bergdahl. Should he have anticipated that the US Army would spend such considerable resources, just because he walked off base for a few days?

I don't think he had any idea what he was getting into, disregarding his personal difficulties as a Taliban prisoner.

Bergdahl should have anticipated being killed, but it was not a known practice of the Taliban to kidnap or imprison. The instances of kidnapping were kept secret, what few there were.


"Rohde's kidnapping was kept quiet by much of the world's media following a request from the New York Times not to publicize the abduction. At least 40 news agencies were reported to know about the kidnapping, but observed the media blackout.[SUP][9][/SUP] A few outlets did briefly report the news. It was first reported by Pajhwok Afghan News in November 2008, citing two Afghan officials on the day after the abduction.[SUP][10][/SUP] Al Jazeera[SUP][4][/SUP] and the Italian news agency Adnkronos initially reported the kidnapping, as did the right-wing blogs Little Green Footballs, The Jawa Report and Dan Cleary, Political Insomniac. In March 2009 Michael Yon "just did a small item because it was pretty much out there." Other bloggers and agencies were contacted by the Times and agreed to take their pieces down.[SUP][11][/SUP] Yon kept information subsequent to his initial report quiet "upon request from related parties."[SUP][12][/SUP] Greg Mitchell, the editor of Editor & Publisher, described it as "the most amazing press blackout on a major event that I have ever seen."[SUP][9][/SUP] The Times's executive editor, Bill Keller, stated: "From the early days of this ordeal, the prevailing view among David's family, experts in kidnapping cases, officials of several government and others we consulted was that going public could increase the danger. We decided to respect that advice ... and a number of other news organizations that learned of David's plight have done the same. We are enormously grateful for their support."[SUP][13"


[/SUP]Kidnapping of David Rohde - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


"Alan Hayling of Renegade Pictures said that no governments were involved in the negotiations and at no time was a rescue mission planned. Instead Channel 4 found Westerners who know the region well to recruit tribal contacts, traditional men who are in conflict with the al-Qa'eda and Taliban fighters who have moved in to the region in the past few years, to plead for Langan's release.

Hayling said: "These are men who uphold traditions. They were able to argue that Sean should be released under tribal law because he had been invited in as a guest."

He said in the endgame Langan's family directed a negotiator in Pakistan who cannot be named for his safety. He said the last stage was "very, very hairy", and succeeded due to the negotiator who he called a "hero" with nerves of steel."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...an-Langan-tells-of-Taliban-kidnap-ordeal.html






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[Buck Ewer]

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We have this funny little thing here in this country called Due process...
Ever heard of it?
I guess when your favorite tool is a hammer everything begins to look like a nail... when you favorite tool is a gun , everything begins to look like a target.
You really ought to try to get over that.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

We have this funny little thing here in this country called Due process...
Ever heard of it?
I guess when your favorite tool is a hammer everything begins to look like a nail... when you favorite tool is a gun , everything begins to look like a target.
You really ought to try to get over that.

Due process apparently doesn't exist in the minds of some people :/

 

[shrubnose]

I hope they throw the book at this traitor.

US launches questioning of ex-POW Bergdahl

Before, or after a fair trial?

Fill us in. :roll:

 

[cpwill]

1. Bergdahl is almost certainly guilty of desertion.
2. He also is responsible for good men who died trying to save him.
3. He has also suffered probably more than the US justice system would be able to dish out. Put him on trial, find him guilty, partly commute his sentence due to Time Served. jmho.

 

[Gladiator]

2. He also is responsible for good men who died trying to save him.
jmho.

How could Bergdahl have had any idea that his walking off base, as he, and other soldiers, had done before, would this time, create tragedy?

 

[Navy Pride]

Perhaps you should start a poll?

Why? I already know how you would vote.

 

[Navy Pride]

How could Bergdahl have had any idea that his walking off base, as he, and other soldiers, had done before, would this time, create tragedy?

Its hard to fathom that people like you are supporting this traitor......he left notes, he shipped all his clothes home...What more does it take to convince you lefties?

 

[Redress]

Its hard to fathom that people like you are supporting this traitor......he left notes, he shipped all his clothes home...What more does it take to convince you lefties?

Then the investigation should find enough evidence to prosecute. I am in no rush myself, and prefer to have justuce done, so I will wait for the investigation and, if any, trial to be done.

 

[Navy Pride]

Then the investigation should find enough evidence to prosecute. I am in no rush myself, and prefer to have justuce done, so I will wait for the investigation and, if any, trial to be done.

Of course your not........Your a typical bleeding heart liberal who would love to see this guy get off.........Tell me something if this was Hitler and we had to try him would you feel the same way......The evidence is monumental against this scumbag..........I know we agree on Redress but as a Veteran I am surprised and ashamed of you. I will probably be dinged for this post but so be it.

 

[Navy Pride]

Before, or after a fair trial?

Fill us in. :roll:

Of course my left wing friend after one then hang his ass......He is a traitor and arguably by his traitorous actions caused the death of one comrade.

You lefties crack me up.

 

[Navy Pride]

1. Bergdahl is almost certainly guilty of desertion.
2. He also is responsible for good men who died trying to save him.
3. He has also suffered probably more than the US justice system would be able to dish out. Put him on trial, find him guilty, partly commute his sentence due to Time Served. jmho.

CP If they do that I wonder what you tell the families of the men who dies looking for him...........I would agree with you if it was not for that.

 

[cpwill]

CP If they do that I wonder what you tell the families of the men who dies looking for him...........I would agree with you if it was not for that.

I would tell them what happened to that guy, and explain to them that the guy who abandoned that FOB is no longer.... "there"...

 

[braindrain]

How could Bergdahl have had any idea that his walking off base, as he, and other soldiers, had done before, would this time, create tragedy?

Where are you getting this whole he planned to return bit. Everything I have seen says he never planned to return. Plus there is also the whole he reportadedly went looking for the TB. I find it hard to believe he planned to return. Sounds more like what you want to believe rather than what the evidence shows.

My personal opinion is the guy is a dirtbag deserter and should be dishonorably discharged after spending a fair amount of time in jail and lose all the benefits that come with serving.

 

[Navy Pride]

I would tell them what happened to that guy, and explain to them that the guy who abandoned that FOB is no longer.... "there"...

CP we mostly agree on every issue but we part company on this one I am sad to say...I think that is what Hillary or Obama would tell their families. Don't know if you ever had someone close to you murdered or raped..........I have and the guy is still on death row waiting to be executed..There is no closure for me and her family until this scumbag pays the ultimate price for his crimes.

 

[Redress]

Of course your not........Your a typical bleeding heart liberal who would love to see this guy get off.........Tell me something if this was Hitler and we had to try him would you feel the same way......The evidence is monumental against this scumbag..........I know we agree on Redress but as a Veteran I am surprised and ashamed of you. I will probably be dinged for this post but so be it.

NP, I want justice. That means that the right decision is arrived at. I really could care less what the right decision is, only that it is right. That you want to predecide is a failing on your part, and all your spin and trying to make **** up about others won't change that.

 

[shrubnose]

Of course my left wing friend after one then hang his ass......He is a traitor and arguably by his traitorous actions caused the death of one comrade.

You lefties crack me up

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This is exactly the kind of anti-constitutional response that I expected from you.

You lived down to my expectations.

I doubt that any possible trial of this man will be conducted in a manner that pleases you, if it doesn't end up with him getting shot by a firing squad or keel-hauled.

 

[Top Cat]

Why? I already know how you would vote.

I don't blame you for getting gun shy after how badly you have been embarrassing yourself.

 

[Gladiator]

Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post

'How could Bergdahl have had any idea that his walking off base, as he, and other soldiers, had done before, would this time, create tragedy?'

Its hard to fathom that people like you are supporting this traitor......he left notes, he shipped all his clothes home...What more does it take to convince you lefties?

The question still stands, how could Bergdahl have had the foreknowledge that his AWOL or Desertion, whatever, would have resulted in the death or injury to other US Army soldiers?

I gave quotations earlier in the thread that showed there had been hostages taken by the Taliban in 2008, but those abductions had been kept out of the press, mostly. The Taliban had never taken a US Army soldier prisoner before Bergdahl.

Whether Bergdahl had some secret orders he was following from the CIA or US Army superiors, or was guilty of AWOL or Desertion, how could Bergdahl know, in advance, that his actions would have resulted in a massive, moths long search effort?

How do we know that a rogue CIA agent, or even in line of command agent, did not send Bergdahl on a special mission?

But the question stands, what is the level of responsibility for Berdahl's actions, if AWOL or Desertion, of other US Army casualties, if in fact the deaths resulted from searching for Bergdahl? Is there some article written before 2009 that states the going AWOL for a few days in Afghanistan can result in kidnapping by the Taliban, resulting in a massive search effort? References?

Bergdahl was kidnapped within a couple of days of leaving his US Army base, so it is irrelevant whether he is guilty of AWOL or Desertion, in terms of his responsibility, whether legal or moral, or as a sentencing enhancement, if any, for foreknowledge that his actions, of at least AWOL for two days, would result in deaths of US Army soldiers searching for him?

Perhaps there should be a sentencing enhancement for either AWOL or Dsesertion, if it can be proven that deaths of US Army soldiers did, in fact result form Bergdahl at least going AWOL. But the question not being answered is, what was the actual level of foreseeability of those consequences?

If a Driver 1 crosses the center line while driving a vehicle, then Driver 1 is guilty of crossing a centerline. If someone is killed, in an accident resulting from Driver 1 crossing the center line, then Driver 1 is responsible for the death resulting from the accident. But it is predictable, that if a driver crosses the center line, that others may be killed.

How is death reasonably foreseeable from AWOL or Desertion?


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[braindrain]

Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post

'How could Bergdahl have had any idea that his walking off base, as he, and other soldiers, had done before, would this time, create tragedy?'



The question still stands, how could Bergdahl have had the foreknowledge that his AWOL or Desertion, whatever, would have resulted in the death or injury to other US Army soldiers?

I gave quotations earlier in the thread that showed there had been hostages taken by the Taliban in 2008, but those abductions had been kept out of the press, mostly. The Taliban had never taken a US Army soldier prisoner before Bergdahl.

Whether Bergdahl had some secret orders he was following from the CIA or US Army superiors, or was guilty of AWOL or Desertion, how could Bergdahl know, in advance, that his actions would have resulted in a massive, moths long search effort?

How do we know that a rogue CIA agent, or even in line of command agent, did not send Bergdahl on a special mission?

But the question stands, what is the level of responsibility for Berdahl's actions, if AWOL or Desertion, of other US Army casualties, if in fact the deaths resulted from searching for Bergdahl? Is there some article written before 2009 that states the going AWOL for a few days in Afghanistan can result in kidnapping by the Taliban, resulting in a massive search effort? References?

Bergdahl was kidnapped within a couple of days of leaving his US Army base, so it is irrelevant whether he is guilty of AWOL or Desertion, in terms of his responsibility, whether legal or moral, or as a sentencing enhancement, if any, for foreknowledge that his actions, of at least AWOL for two days, would result in deaths of US Army soldiers searching for him?

Perhaps there should be a sentencing enhancement for either AWOL or Dsesertion, if it can be proven that deaths of US Army soldiers did, in fact result form Bergdahl at least going AWOL. But the question not being answered is, what was the actual level of foreseeability of those consequences?

If a Driver 1 crosses the center line while driving a vehicle, then Driver 1 is guilty of crossing a centerline. If someone is killed, in an accident resulting from Driver 1 crossing the center line, then Driver 1 is responsible for the death resulting from the accident. But it is predictable, that if a driver crosses the center line, that others may be killed.

How is death reasonably foreseeable from AWOL or Desertion?


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There is virtually no way that he would not have known that the US military would conduct a massive search for a missing soldier. Anyone who does not have his head buried in sand would know that.
Your whole CIA thing is a bit ridiculous and shows a pretty clear lacking in how the real world functions.

You really seem to be grasping at straws to find an excuse for this guy. Any certain reason.

 

[Navy Pride]

NP, I want justice. That means that the right decision is arrived at. I really could care less what the right decision is, only that it is right. That you want to predecide is a failing on your part, and all your spin and trying to make **** up about others won't change that.

What part of give him a trial and then hang his sorry ass do you not understand Redress?????

 

[Navy Pride]

This is exactly the kind of anti-constitutional response that I expected from you.

You lived down to my expectations.

I doubt that any possible trial of this man will be conducted in a manner that pleases you, if it doesn't end up with him getting shot by a firing squad or keel-hauled.

If the military does the trial and not some civilian Liberal Judge presiding I will be happy.