US image around the world sharply worsens

[Alien Traveler]

Oh really? I guess all those people in Africa who are slaughtered simply for being ethnically different have a right to be slaughtered without American intervention.

Please, name successful American intervention in Africa.

How about the Serbs and the Croats?

It’s an easy question. Thanks to its intervention America is now hated by Russians and Serbs. Bosnians meantime are not thankful either; they hate America with other Muslims.

How about Muslims who are oppressed?

Are you talking about Saudi Arabia or Pakistan?

 

[MSgt]

Please, name successful American intervention in Africa.

Current efforts? Chad, Somalia, and Djibouti. But that wasn't the point was it? You stated that...

"Brown or black people" do have right to live their lives without American intervention.

According to what you wrote, the suffering have a right to be abused by their oppressors.

It’s an easy question. Thanks to its intervention America is now hated by Russians and Serbs. Bosnians meantime are not thankful either; they hate America with other Muslims.

Much like Nazis, Soviet loyalists, Baathist loyalists, terrorists, Islamic zealots, etc. Is your suggestion to side with the enemy to be loved while abandoning the ones that should be helped?

Are you talking about Saudi Arabia or Pakistan?

Both. I am also talking about Syria, Iran, "Yugoslavia," Sudan and many other places. You are aware that Muslims live outside of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia aren't you?

 

[Mr_DBater]

European representation present. (I've noticed your following me around waiting for your chance to troll and bait).
A useless and senseless post.

It's on topic. More than your post is

What does the American defense budget have to do with anything?

It has to do with why America goes scrapping around the world. Now desperate fror a scrap with Iran. Just like Gulf of tonkin. You pretended to be attacked by Vietcong as an excuse to attack them. Just Like Hitler pretended to be attacked by Poles to start WWII. You found a lame excuse to invade Iraq. Now you're looking for a lame excuse to attack Iran.
Click Link to Defense Budget
Big bucks in Washington pulling strings. Bent politicians corrupted by bribes (from both legal lobbying and secret back handers) from Arms dealers. Those wars ruin America's image. That's the topic isn't it. Again, have you nothing of any substance to say 'on topic' ?

What does a link to another thread have to do with anything?

It's connected to the wars that ruin Americas image and credibility as supposed upholders of liberty and justice and freedom.[/B]

And what does a link to the history of the CIA have to do with anything? Are we about to walk this path of baiting and trolling again?

Screaming 'troll' just shows you can't deal with the facts. Now say Biased, anti American, sophomoric zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Hey if you took the time to read the links you might not be so sophomoric yourself.
Every so often America gets a bomb surplus build up. It becomes like a man that hasn't had a f*** in a while. Why don't you just take yourselves in hand and drop the bombs in military exercises instead if dropping them on people ?

 

[MSgt]

Screaming 'troll' just shows you can't deal with the facts

Screaming? Hardly. Just bored of your trolling and bashing for an argument, which this post was also.

It's always about how America isn't perfect. Always about your personal need to tear something down to what your history is used to. Always about conspiracxies and lies. Always about something that makes you feel better.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien Traveler
Please, name successful American intervention in Africa.

Current efforts? Chad, Somalia, and Djibouti. But that wasn't the point was it? You stated that...

So, there were no successful American intervention in Africa.

According to what you wrote, the suffering have a right to be abused by their oppressors.

Absolutely. For as long as they like their own oppressors better than American liberators. (Just ask Estonian people about Soviet liberators…)

Much like Nazis, Soviet loyalists, Baathist loyalists, terrorists, Islamic zealots, etc. Is your suggestion to side with the enemy to be loved while abandoning the ones that should be helped?

So, you want Russia, Serbia and Greece as American enemies? You equate then to Nazis? Wonderful. I think you explained yourself clearly and very harmfully for America.

Both. I am also talking about Syria, Iran, "Yugoslavia," Sudan and many other places. You are aware that Muslims live outside of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia aren't you?

Are you still not aware I was talking about Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, two really oppressive regimes, which coincidentally are best American allies? And speaking about Saudi Arabia, its humanitarian record is worse than that of Hussein’s Iraq.

 

[EAGLE1]

I would call the Italian behavior that allowed Aidid's men to roam free as long as they committed no trouble in their sector the bare minimum. I would also call a shifting of sectors so that American forces could take the brunt of the aggression the bare minimum. And I would also call the willingness to have U.S. Marines assault into the hot spots and no one else the bare minimum.



Exactly. If Bosnia/Kosovo were located elsewhere, European applause would have just been criticisms



Review the numbers. Review the missions. "Bluff" is the European representation.




Bush's amaturish mistake was to declare an imminent threat. This is what Europeans clung to as exoneration. If the human suffering aspect and the course of the Middle East was the focus, then Europeans wouldn't have their excuses. Of course, they still wouldn't have lifted a finger, but I would say they would have done something to save a little face.

The Gulf War? Anything to protect the oil. But leaving Saddam to his soveriegnty showed the world what really mattered.



The bare minimum. America led the way and bared the brunt.



Exaclty. Yet, they did. As did the Germans, Italians and the British. Hell, the Germans found quite a delight with the Mai-Lai massacres.




Panama = Noriega (1989)



Hypocricy allows people to do all sorts of things. Stick around. You'll witness this right here.



Again, stick around. The question is why do Europeans bitch about it at all? Why do Europeans love our 45~50 year stint with this? Is it because they are trying to absolve centuries of this with no will to end it in the future?

Really? Those Italians and others were trying to keep the peace in advance of a UN negotiated settlement that the US then arsed up by trying to kill one of the parties involved. You guys are lucky you werent blamed for the resulting mess.

Really? Thats a big claim. Actually your success was assured here because it was one of the few areas where you didnt have much previous history.

Yes Im aware of the missions. It seems the europeans are more interested in building the nation than you are. Plus their areas are not so much taleban strongholds.

The bare minimum? You mean that after WW2 the french and others could have fielded a similar force to your own. Not even us Brits could do that.

Really? I doubt theyd be criticising you given their preocupation with Algeria and their history in Vietnam.
The Germans eh? You should be glad theyd learned the lessons of their own evil adventures by that time. In fact you should be glad that all these countries were pointing you in the right direction. Its almost like the the only people that didnt learn the lessons by then of imperialism was you and the Russians. Perhaps you still havent. Also I think youre statement that the Germans were delighted with those massacres is a bit overdone.

Ah good old Noriega, once a friend, now an enemy. Too big for his boots all of a sudden. Do you think the presence of the canal was just a coincidence? Yet you felt free to stop the european invasion of Egyt. One rule for the US of A is that it?

Oh yes, hypocrisy is very common currency. Its no good throwing it at the europeans. Its so common its not even an insult.

Actually yes. They are indeed trying to absolve their crimes. The majority of Britains too. The trouble is many in the US dont even recognise what its doing to this day. Surely you dont want to spend the rest of this century apologising to everyone for your own mistakes do you? You should be grateful theres so many people in the world willing to give you good advice right now.

 

[MSgt]

So, there were no successful American intervention in Africa.

America's been involved with Africa for two centuries. What was your point?

Absolutely. For as long as they like their own oppressors better than American liberators. (Just ask Estonian people about Soviet liberators…)

Name one group of oppressed people that love their brutal regimes.

So, you want Russia, Serbia and Greece as American enemies? You equate then to Nazis? Wonderful. I think you explained yourself clearly and very harmfully for America.

I don't even know what to say about this little bit of nonesense. I could care less who our enemies are. They are all weaker anyway. I never equated Russians, Serbs, or Greeks to Nazis. If you aren't able to remain above the preschool level, perhaps another site would be more comfortable for you.

Are you still not aware I was talking about Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, two really oppressive regimes, which coincidentally are best American allies? And speaking about Saudi Arabia, its humanitarian record is worse than that of Hussein’s Iraq.

I'm very aware of what you were doing. I just wanted you to reveal your pettyness. Yes, America deals with Saudi Arabi and Pakistan (which is not as oppressive as you imply). Yes, America delt with Russia during WWII. Yes, France was the greatest supporter to Saddam Hussein. Yes, France still remains in their colonies in western Africa. Yes, Germany produced history's worse dictator. Yes, Italy produced Hitler's greatest ally.

What is your point?

But, perhaps you shoud review what an "ally" is. I see your just another basher here to cause trouble. Careful.

 

[MSgt]

You should be grateful theres so many people in the world willing to give you good advice right now.

Hahahaha. I don't even care to respond to this. This "great advice" comes from peopple that could care less who suffers just as long as the brutal regime in charge provides "stability."

As always, the Europeans find their comfortable perch and bash dishonestly. If I had it my way, Europe would fend for itself and America would just sit across the ocean and watch.

 

[Billo_Really]

You should be grateful theres so many people in the world willing to give you good advice right now.

You can lead a horse to water...

 

[EAGLE1]

Hahahaha. I don't even care to respond to this. This "great advice" comes from peopple that could care less who suffers just as long as the brutal regime in charge provides "stability."

As always, the Europeans find their comfortable perch and bash dishonestly. If I had it my way, Europe would fend for itself and America would just sit across the ocean and watch.

Well ok, you may not want to hear it from the likes of France and Germany for whatever reasons. So I suppose you could take advice from half on the USA, most of Britain, and most of the rest of Europe, plus most of the rest of the world.