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US (gun owners): Would you allow police/authorities to check your house/apartment annually & uninvited to see if your guns/ammo is properly stored ?

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Tender Branson

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This is a legal provision here in Austria as part of the weapon law.

Gun owners get checked unannounced every year by police / authorities to see if everything is properly locked away (from kids etc.)
 
That would be a big HELL NO!!!

Edit. I'm not a firearm owner but my other half goes ballistic every once in a while and sometimes I think she might need to be checked?
 
Tender Branson said:
This is a legal provision here in Austria as part of the weapon law.

Gun owners get checked unannounced every year by police / authorities to see if everything is properly locked away (from kids etc.)
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Such a law would be unconstitutional in the US.
 
Crazy how suspicious Americans are of their police.

Here, they are more like your „friend and helper in need“.

At least in the rural areas.
 
Mycroft said:
Such a law would be unconstitutional in the US.
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But why ?

If you build yourself a mini nuclear power plant in your backyard, you’ll also get a check from the FBI sooner or later.

Why are guns (which are weapons of mass destruction) exempt ?

They are a big harm to society and need to be properly locked away and controlled by authorities.
 
I don't believe the definition of "properly stored" has been defined.
 
bongsaway said:
That would be a big HELL NO!!!

Edit. I'm not a firearm owner but my other half goes ballistic every once in a while and sometimes I think she might need to be checked?
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Are the left wingers going to allow police to search their home unannounced to look for illegal drugs or maybe just show up and search homes for illegal immigrants living in the country?
 
Tender Branson said:
But why ?

If you build yourself a mini nuclear power plant in your backyard, you’ll also get a check from the FBI sooner or later.

Why are guns (which are weapons of mass destruction) exempt ?

They are a big harm to society and need to be properly locked away and controlled by authorities.
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Nuclear power plants are not covered by the 2nd Amendment. Guns are.

btw, guns are not "weapons of mass destruction".

A weapon of mass destruction is a nuclear, radiological, chemical, biological, or other device that is intended to harm a large number of people.
www.dhs.gov

Weapons of Mass Destruction

The United States faces a rising danger from terrorists and rogue states seeking to use weapons of mass destruction. A weapon of mass destruction is a nuclear, radiological, chemical, biological, or other device that is intended to harm a large number of people. The Department of Homeland...
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Definition of weapons of mass destruction

: weapons that can destroy entire cities, regions, etc.
www.merriam-webster.com

Definition of WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION

weapons that can destroy entire cities, regions, etc.… See the full definition
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Tender Branson said:
Crazy how suspicious Americans are of their police.

Here, they are more like your „friend and helper in need“.

At least in the rural areas.
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Considering the amount of harm police do on the regular i can see why. The black panthers were formed to protect black people from the police who often brutally beat them and shot them.
 
Tender Branson said:
A gun or machine gun is a weapon of mass destruction.

If someone shoots up a school and kills 20 children, it destroys a whole community - therefore it fits the criteria.
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No, it fits your personal selective criteria based upon your bias against the way the United States manages its firearms and the Second Amendment.....lets keep it real, M'kay?
 
Bum said:
No, it fits your personal selective criteria based upon your bias against the way the United States manages its firearms and the Second Amendment.....lets keep it real, M'kay?
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In fact, it fits both criteria. Being weapons of mass destruction and my belief that the US would be far better off with a less militaristic civilian population similar to our European gun laws.

The lower murder rates, firearm accidents and suicides here vs. the US back my view up.

Much only has to do with a significant paranoia among the US population to arm themselves, with virtually no gain in personal safety, but rather even more violence and gun deaths … it’s a vicious devils circle.
 
Tender Branson said:
But why ?

If you build yourself a mini nuclear power plant in your backyard, you’ll also get a check from the FBI sooner or later.

Why are guns (which are weapons of mass destruction) exempt ?

They are a big harm to society and need to be properly locked away and controlled by authorities.
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Law enforcement, at any level, is not permitted to just enter and search our property whenever they want. The Constitution prohibits that. Get a warrant. In this country, a judge decides if law enforcement has sufficient cause to access and search.
 
Tender Branson said:
Crazy how suspicious Americans are of their police.

Here, they are more like your „friend and helper in need“.

At least in the rural areas.
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Quite frankly, we have good reason to be suspicious of police.

But even if it wasn't police, I would still be against it. No agent of the state should be able to enter a private home without a warrant.
 
Nomad4Ever said:
Quite frankly, we have good reason to be suspicious of police.

But even if it wasn't police, I would still be against it. No agent of the state should be able to enter a private home without a warrant.
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But they have a warrant: police are inspecting gun owners based on a warrant by the district administration.

This warrant is issued annually.
 
I would STRONGLY support legislation that would check to see if each of our fabulous Gun Nuts is in compliance with all firearm regulation.

This is an EXCELLENT idea, imo, and I support it.(y)
 
Tender Branson said:
But they have a warrant: police are inspecting gun owners based on a warrant by the district administration.

This warrant is issued annually.
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Catching people unawares is probably the most efficient way of finding criminal violations but your laws are based on a logical fallacy. Agents of the State can’t just walk into our homes whenever they feel like it and merely owning a gun is not probable cause for an assumption that anything illegal is happening.
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
I would STRONGLY support legislation that would check to see if each of our fabulous Gun Nuts is in compliance with all firearm regulation.

This is an EXCELLENT idea, imo, and I support it.(y)
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Looking at the poll results so far, I was surprised nobody else backed it other than me (and now you).

Here, these strict gun laws are seen as common sense (only opposed by obscure far-right people).

In the US it seems to be a more mainstream view.
 
Tender Branson said:
But they have a warrant: police are inspecting gun owners based on a warrant by the district administration.
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I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure warrants are only issues due to reasonable suspicion of a crime.
However, if a judge issues a warrant, it could be issued for a couple of reasons:
  • To allow police to enter and search a property when they have reason to believe there is evidence of a crime inside.
  • To allow police to enter a property to arrest someone who is suspected of a crime.
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It's common knowledge that many criminal charges come about after police enter someone’s home to search the premises or arrest someone. To do this, sometimes the police have prior permission (in the form of a warrant), and other times the police are responding to a call and arrest someone in...
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However, regardless of the laws, I'm unilaterally against government agents entering private homes without either permission of a court or extenuating circumstances (such as seeing a criminal run into your house). If such a law was passed so it was legal, I would still be against it. I don't want the police, or anyone, randomly having access to lawful citizens home for any random "inspection". That is just not a power the government should have.
 
Tender Branson said:
Looking at the poll results so far, I was surprised nobody else backed it other than me (and now you).

Here, these strict gun laws are seen as common sense (only opposed by obscure far-right people).

In the US it seems to be a more mainstream view.
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You dont live in a Gun Nut Nayshun.

Its embarrassing. I'll admit it.
 
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