US biased views on some organisations

[JavierDiego]

Its always amazing for me, that USA consider some organisations who fight for the freedoms of their people, terroristic, but at same time usa support real terrorist groups all over the earth.

USA supported massive the UCK in Serbia who murdered thousands of civilians. USA call them freedom fighters while they beheaded civilians and even children...

On the other hand, we have ETA. I´m basque. Almost the entire north of spain is basque. We don´t speak spanish, we have our own language. We see spain as enemy. In the past we got opressed and it was even banned to talk with our language.

ETA changed that. With ETA we achieved the status of autonomy. ETA never killed civilians. ETA executed many politicians and other spanish officials. That fight for freedom was succesful. But ETA is still called a terrorist group...Because of that it can´t work openly for the rights of the basque people in spain.

My father is since 2 years in prison, just because he know ETA members...Spaniards are disgusting. They know no mercy. But they earn what they spread. Almost all in my class, no matter if boy or girl want join ETA. We are young, we are the future. And the future IS NOT spanish! Our language and culture is unique in the world. It is so much more than entire spain.
I´m in the youth section of Batasuna. We accept nothing spanish. We demolish spaniards cars. We demologe spaniards property.

 

[Doc Howl]

I´m in the youth section of Batasuna. We accept nothing spanish. We demolish spaniards cars. We demologe spaniards property.

Well, good luck in all your terrorist endeavors. :lol:

 

[JavierDiego]

why are you against freedom and democracy?

 

[Doc Howl]

why are you against freedom and democracy?

Trashing some poor slob's car or property isn't "democracy". It's nascent Nazism.

I was neutral on the subject of the ETA until you mentioned that their Hitler youth ran around trashing peoples' property.

Now you've shown me that you're no different than any other gang of hoodlums.

 

[Skip]

why are you against freedom and democracy?

If you don't want to be seen as a terrorist, perhaps you shouldn't engage in those activities which are seen by many as terrorist activities.

 

[JavierDiego]

Spain opress us. The fight against it was sad, but it lead us into autonomy. But we want be totally independent.

 

[Arcana XV]

ETA never killed civilians.

Excuse me?

This is some kind of sick joke, right?

Your murderous little friends have killed more civilians than I can can count. Maybe you should have done your own research instead of believing whatever crap your heroes are feeding you.

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

I´m in the youth section of Batasuna. We accept nothing spanish. We demolish spaniards cars. We demologe spaniards property.

Well, with any luck, the first lesson you will learn is that when you act like thugs, nobody's going to pay any attention to your cause, give a damn about your arguments, or think about anything you stand for because nobody gives a damn about the politics of thugs.

Congratulations, you and your ass-headed ass-ociates have relegated the status of you oh-so-unique and look-its-wonderful and holy-crap-how-special language and culture to the status of a gang.

Thanks for playing.

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

Excuse me?

This is some kind of sick joke, right?

Your murderous little friends have killed more civilians than I can can count. Maybe you should have done your own research instead of believing whatever crap your heroes are feeding you.

You're talking to the political equivalent of a religious zealot and telling him that his holy roller friends diddle children.

He's so steeped, soaked, stewed in the idea that he's on the right side of the fence (and damn the consequences) that he'll never see the truth and never care about the innocent people who are hurt in the crossfire. All he sees is the shining light of his struggle for

FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMMB

Sowwy.

 

[RightinNYC]

Spain opress us. The fight against it was sad, but it lead us into autonomy. But we want be totally independent.

And the obvious way to gain autonomy is to trash some Spanish woman's car.

THIS CANT POSSIBLY FAIL

 

[Arcana XV]

Spain opress us. The fight against it was sad, but it lead us into autonomy. But we want be totally independent.

Who's "we"? You and the small minority who think like you? Last I heard the majority of Basques do not want to leave Spain.

 

[JavierDiego]

Excuse me?

This is some kind of sick joke, right?

Your murderous little friends have killed more civilians than I can can count. Maybe you should have done your own research instead of believing whatever crap your heroes are feeding you.

Thats not true. It was and is always against the enemy! Civilians are always warned.

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

Thats not true. It was and is always against the enemy! Civilians are always warned.

 

[Doc Howl]

Spain opress us. The fight against it was sad, but it lead us into autonomy. But we want be totally independent.

And you're going to do this by smashing the cars and property of people, because they are Spaniards?

Screw that. Sounds like the LAST thing the world needs is Basques running their own country, if that's what you're all about.

 

[Doc Howl]

Has to be.

 

[JavierDiego]

Stop ur insults. Its a fact. That ETA always calls to authorities, before something happenes.

I´m against death of civilians. Unluckily, there were accidents in the past and you can´t imagine how much sorry we are.

 

[Doc Howl]

Stop ur insults. Its a fact. That ETA always calls to authorities, before something happenes.

I´m against death of civilians. Unluckily, there were accidents in the past and you can´t imagine how much sorry we are.

Setting a bomb and then having civilians die in the blast is not an "accident", legally or morally.

It's just terrorism, plain and simple. People convicted of doing things like this should be shot.

 

[RightinNYC]

Thats not true. It was and is always against the enemy! Civilians are always warned.

Alright, the jig's up. It's pretty obvious that you're just a Spanish government plant sent here to make the Basques look bad. Nice try.

 

[Arcana XV]

Thats not true. It was and is always against the enemy! Civilians are always warned.

Oh, well, that makes it OKAY then! Who cares if a few of them died? THEY WERE WARNED!

Do the businessmen, university professors and reporters your ETA friends have summarily executed count as the enemy too?

 

[JavierDiego]

Oh, well, that makes it OKAY then! Who cares if a few of them died? THEY WERE WARNED!

Do the businessmen, university professors and reporters your ETA friends have summarily executed count as the enemy too?

Tell me, what can we do?

 

[RightinNYC]

Tell me, what can we do?

Not blow **** up?

 

[Doc Howl]

Tell me, what can we do?

Oh, I'd look at historical examples of people who have won their independence without acting like rabid animals.

Gandhi, for example.

Or perhaps at groups who have won their independence in a legitimate fight, not cowardly attacks on unarmed people.

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

Tell me, what can we do?

You could probably start by not acting like animals which treat the property and lives of people who have nothing to do with your argument with the government with just the slightest bit of respect.

 

[Doc Howl]

Not blow **** up?

Well, if your "freedom fighters" are all cowards, what options do you have? :lol:

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

why are you against freedom and democracy?