Up to 8,000 migrants advance in U.S.-bound caravans across Guatemala (1/16/21)

[Mason66]

in that case, what the hell is your worry? you just explined to me how they will all die in mexico.

your posts are rather inconsistent

Where did I say anything about them dying in Mexico?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Guatemala cracks down on migrant caravan bound for United States

Guatemalan authorities on Saturday escalated efforts to stop thousands of Hondurans, many of them families with children, traveling in a migrant caravan bound for the United States just as a new administration is about to enter the White House.

www.reuters.com

GUATEMALA CITY (Reuters) - Thousands of Hondurans, including many families with children, walked together across Guatemala on Saturday hoping to reach the United States, fleeing poverty and violence in a region battered by the pandemic and back-to-back hurricanes late last year.

Between 7,000 and 8,000 migrants have entered Guatemala since Friday, according to Guatemala’s immigration authority, and they are heading toward the Mexican border, where Mexican authorities have deployed troops and riot police.

Once the caravan reaches Mexico, it is likely to be subjected to pressure to break up. Mexico’s migration agreement with the United States is still in place, meaning the caravan would be dispersed, a Mexican official said.
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I wonder if Hondurans are rapists also.

Isn't it time for a Presidential Finding of "Impending Invasion" such as to justify the imposition of martial law and the imprisonment of those who would oust the government of the United States of America?

 

[Mason66]

Too bad. I used to live in Mexico for the winter months. I didn't this year because of these idiotic restrictions. I love living in Mexico.

I have been here for 21 years. This caravan, if they are let in to the country will pass right by here and we don't need any more infected people here.

 

[noonereal]

Where did I say anything about them dying in Mexico?

so where was it you had them dying? Guatemala? Good grief.

 

[Mason66]

There's a lot of BS in that post.

What do you think is BS exactly?

 

[Mason66]

so where was it you had them dying? Guatemala? Good grief.

I didn't say they were going to die at all.

 

[noonereal]

I didn't say they were going to die at all.

OMG, you said they all have Covid who were headed here. Then you said how everyone dies from Covid in some unspecified country not called the United States that they are from or in. So obviously you are saying they will all die before getting here.

WTF ??????

You said it.

If you don't understand what you post, why post? It will just give you a headache as it apparently already has.

 

[Mason66]

OMG, you said they all have Covid who were headed here. Then you said how everyone dies from Covid in some unspecified country not called the United States that they are from or in. So obviously you are saying they will all die before getting here.

WTF ??????

You said it.

If you don't understand what you post, why post? It will just give you a headache as it apparently already has.

YOu need to take some reading comprehension classes.

I said none of that.

 

[Da Mole]

hang on.

are we a Christian nation or not?

We are NOT, according to your idol Obama.

Obama and the "Christian Nation" Quote - FactCheck.org

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[CaughtInThe]

We are NOT, according to your idol Obama.

Obama and the "Christian Nation" Quote - FactCheck.org

Q: Did Obama say we "are no longer a Christian nation"? A: He said we are no longer "just" a Christian nation, but a nation of many other faiths as well. A chain e-mail drops that key word and thus changes the meaning. FULL QUESTION Is this true? It is now traveling around the Internet. U.

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Are we according to you?

 

[Tahuyaman]

Biden continues to step in it concerning immigration. He promises amnesty for illegals, so thousands more start their journey to America expecting open borders and Joe says.....Whoa, not now. This is going to epic.

 

[Crunchtime]

You want them here? Open up your house to them. Give them your money and your food. Cuz i ain't paying for them.

US needs to start talking (like have normal diplomatic relations...never done, I know. But it is about time) to those countries in South America from which these refugees comes. Guatemala is a democracy and there is no reason for the US to let them in. There is no war going on. Why are they leaving? What is wrong in Guatemala to make people walk for 1000th of miles? Guatemala needs to fix their own problems. If it is minority groups that are victims to discrimination, US should press them to fix it. It is difficult but still, it wouldn't stop the migration but it might slow it down.

The only true minorities in Latin America are indigenous. Many don’t speak Spanish and there will only be a few of them in any caravan. The Hondurans in this caravan are opportunists. Few of them are fleeing persecution in Central America but are fleeing towards prosperity in the US. They know if they can get across the US border our country will support them. Especially now that Trump is gone, and “give it all away Biden“ is in charge. The only problem is Joe is going to break his word when he faces reality. You might even see some kids separated from their parents by this “new” administration.

 

[Nickyjo]

If the US screwed Central American countries how did they overlook Costa Rica?
What has ruined the countries in South America and Mexico as well, is the laws and the subsequent corrupt culture. When these people come to the US they often live better lives due to their own hard work and initiative and, importantly, the lack of widespread corruption, the laws, and the US Constitution.
The Nicaraguan people are justly famed for being such great workers and yet the country is abysmally poor. That is not the fault of the people but of the crooked dictatorships of Danial Ortega, a Communist like Castro, who was supported by ignorant Leftists in both North America and Europe.

From what I have read about Costa Rica, the country was more stable perhaps because indigenous peoples were almost all wiped out with the coming of the Spanish. As to the other countries, the US helped create instabilitynand tyranny. Panama separated from Colombia due to US influence so that we could build the canal. We supported the tyrannical Somoza's in Nicaragua for generations. In their latrter days Somoza's troops would kill every male of fighting age in certain towns. An immensely popular revolution - deplored by republicans in the US - was subject to terrorism in the form of the Contras, funded in part as you may remember by sale of arms to Iran, a sponsor of terror itself. Before they moved into Nicaragua, the Contras reportedly "practiced" by killing Honduran leftists. If Nicaragua - whose first steps post-revolution were to try to teach everyone to read and provide some health care, while abolishing the death penalty and providing a 30-year maximum penalty for any crime - drifted to the left it was understandable. Yet from what I know, people aren't leaving that country as they are leaving Honduras, El Salvador and to a certain extent, Guatemala. Let's move on to El Salvador, controled by 14 families for a long time, with a government that killed priests, US nuns and an Archbishop, plus several tens of thousands of ordinary people. My office at Amnesty International, where I worked on refugee/ asylum issues for 20 years, got a call from a guy whose relative had witnessed the military abducting a man off the street. He wanted to know what he should advise his brother (or cousin, forget which) to do. Thru connections with a republican US senator I was able to speak with a US embassy guy in San Salvador. His advice: "I don't care, I am leaving in a couple of weeks. The witness is a dead man. Tell him to leave." This was a guy working under the Reagan administration, directly contradicting Ronnie's propaganda. The US was performing a full court press on the Salvadoran people at this time, givin arms to the military, lying about the murders they carried out, and when people fled, denying asylum to over 97% of applicants most of Reagan's years. And the administration knew this. The reports of killings from our embassy back to DC were known as "grim-grams." (Things got better once the first Bush came into office, and the asylum system was reformed.) One of principle death squad guys, Roberto d'Abuisson, is honored by conservative US senators and student groups. As to Guatemala, textbook study of US imperialism. Peasants hungry in its beautiful mountain interior, farming on steep hills with hoes. Best land used for export of cotton, coffee, bananas and cane. A reform-minded elected president, somewhere between Biden and Bernie, challenges United Fruit Company. Bingo!, a new president arrives on a US embassy place to replace him, and government by death squad begins. Probably the last dictator, guy named Rios Montt, comes to power and kills every man, woman, child, animal and plant in some villages, in his "scorched communist" program. He holds trials without defendants present, verdict is phoned in and the defendant is shot immediately. Even Reagan's people were shocked, but not Reagan, who said Montt had got a "bad rap." Challenged about his crimes, Montt said, ok, put me up,against a wall and shoot me. But stand up Reagan next to me. Democracy comes and Montt is sentenced to a long prison term, but released due to ill health, the new government showing mercy he denied others. So there you have it. Not to excuse their leaders, but the US bears responsibility for training armies who committed mass murder, and defending their actions. Least we can do is honor our moral and legal obligations to the people still recovering from our actions.

 

[Integrityrespec]

More mismanagement at the border is on the way with the dems at the helm.

So what is the democrats objective? It isn't that hard to figure. Legalize the 11+ million in the country illegally already, add millions more by not defending the illegal entry at the border going forward and then give them citizenship as well. Effectively this is a possible 12-20 million addition citizens that the democrats believe will vote democrat. This means the democrats lock up the Presidential elections. Add to this the plan to make D.C. a state and add Puerto Rico as well, adding more democrat voters and 4 democrat senators and possibly 2-6 members of the house. So is it hard to figure what they intend?

 

[Anthony60]

Do you mean big business and the rich? They are the ones that get our tax dollars by subsidizing cheap labor.

Like my 7th grade teacher used to say, "You get a big, fat, zero!"

 

[craig]

Like my 7th grade teacher used to say, "You get a big, fat, zero!"

You are not adding content to the conversation.

 

[ttwtt78640]

All coming in anticipation of Joe Biden giving all illegals amnesty

Who knew that a Biden vow (promise?) to halt deportations for 100 days might be taken seriously?

 

[Anthony60]

You are ignoring the subsidy illegals provide our lifestyles, and with respect to Central American countries (excepting Costa Rica) our consistent invasions, interference, unabashed support of terror and tyranny there from Guatemala to Panama. Trump's treatment of the migrants was just one vicious chapter. Dealing humanely and justly with C. A. migrants is a small price to pay for having screwed those societies for generations, dating back to or even before FDR said of one dictator, "he's a son of a bitch, but he's OUR son of a bitch." And refugees do have rights once they appear at or cross our borders, legally or not. Enforced borders are a fairly recent phenomenon in history, with some exceptions. And of course, if historically if our leaders haven't respected their borders, why should their citizens respect ours?

As to immigrant peoples who will vote for a party based on promised tax dollars, you must have missed history classes when they covered the Irish migration to the US among others, when big city patronage was set up in several places.

Wow, that was a real scattershot of a response. So, yeah, still our country, no one has a right to enter. I am all for humanely turning them away if we so choose.

 

[craig]

Wow, that was a real scattershot of a response. So, yeah, still our country, no one has a right to enter. I am all for humanely turning them away if we so choose.

How will you "humanely" turn them away?

 

[danielpalos]

Guatemala cracks down on migrant caravan bound for United States

Guatemalan authorities on Saturday escalated efforts to stop thousands of Hondurans, many of them families with children, traveling in a migrant caravan bound for the United States just as a new administration is about to enter the White House.

www.reuters.com

GUATEMALA CITY (Reuters) - Thousands of Hondurans, including many families with children, walked together across Guatemala on Saturday hoping to reach the United States, fleeing poverty and violence in a region battered by the pandemic and back-to-back hurricanes late last year.

Between 7,000 and 8,000 migrants have entered Guatemala since Friday, according to Guatemala’s immigration authority, and they are heading toward the Mexican border, where Mexican authorities have deployed troops and riot police.

Once the caravan reaches Mexico, it is likely to be subjected to pressure to break up. Mexico’s migration agreement with the United States is still in place, meaning the caravan would be dispersed, a Mexican official said.
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I wonder if Hondurans are rapists also.

Where are Capitalists with fine and wonderful free market Capitalism solutions to their problems?

 

[Anthony60]

How will you "humanely" turn them away?

Gee... uhh... well, you got me there! I guess we have no choice then, open boarders, everyone come in and take!

Oh, irrelevant.

 

[Da Mole]

Are we according to you?

If we are not Christian, what are we? Muslim? Jewish? Atheist? Agnostic? I'm sure the left would hope for the latter as they are more likely to vote for the Demonrat version of socialism.

 

[craig]

Gee... uhh... well, you got me there! I guess we have no choice then, open boarders, everyone come in and take!

Oh, irrelevant.

Historically that is what happens. Population migration has never been stopped. It has to be managed.

 

[Rawley]

Biden continues to step in it concerning immigration. He promises amnesty for illegals, so thousands more start their journey to America expecting open borders and Joe says.....Whoa, not now. This is going to epic.

$10 he throws the door wide open.

 

[Da Mole]

How will you "humanely" turn them away?

How about this radical approach. If they don't have the proper paperwork, nicely say no entry and turn them around with a smile. If you need it to be more humane, give them a bus or plane ticket back to wherever they came from. Throw in a box lunch too if that makes you feel better. If you can't or won't do any of that, you have an open border.