Understanding why some in the US don’t want victory in Ukraine

[Juin]

Also Russia has put two motions before the UN to outlaw the glorification of Fascism and Nazism, over the years,only two Countries voted against, the US and Ukraine, that's says it all.

The US voted against the glorification of Fascism and Nazism! Not abstained even, which would be noxious enough, but vote against???

 

[Sword 1944]

The US voted against the glorification of Fascism and Nazism! Not abstained even, which would be noxious enough, but vote against???

They voted against the Russian motion.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Well anyone who didn't see this in Kiev must be blind, what say you?

Yes, and a report clearly said "hundreds".

Hundreds of Ukrainian nationalists held a torchlight march in the capital of Kyiv to mark the birthday of Stepan Bandera, the leader of a rebel militia that fought alongside Nazi soldiers in World War II.

Ukraine nationalists march to honor wartime partisan leader

Hundreds of Ukrainian nationalists held a torchlight march in the capital of Kyiv to mark the birthday of Stepan Bandera, the leader of a rebel militia that fought alongside Nazi soldiers in World War II.

apnews.com

The population of Ukraine is over 43 million. The population of Kiev is almost 3 million.

I would call an event that attracted "hundreds" as an insignificant number of people in comparison to the population.

All I see form you is more nonsense soup.

Oh, and of course ignore the fact that the Soviets clearly invaded and attacked Finland twice. And was thrown out of the League of Nations because of it.

So you just ignore facts you do not like and try to spin in a circle.

Oh, and he was not a "NAZI", he was a Nationalist and would use anybody he could to make Ukraine independent.

Let me guess, you either are not aware of or were not going to mention that in 1941 he was arrested along with most of his group's leadership and placed in concentration camps. The only reason they were released almost 4 years later was because he hated the Soviets more than he hated the Germans and promised to return to fighting the Soviets.

Instead he left Berlin and hid in the countryside until the war ended a few months later.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Also Russia has put two motions before the UN to outlaw the glorification of Fascism and Nazism, over the years,only two Countries voted against, the US and Ukraine, that's says it all.

And what exactly were these resolutions?

 

[Sword 1944]

Yes, and a report clearly said "hundreds".

Ukraine nationalists march to honor wartime partisan leader

Hundreds of Ukrainian nationalists held a torchlight march in the capital of Kyiv to mark the birthday of Stepan Bandera, the leader of a rebel militia that fought alongside Nazi soldiers in World War II.

apnews.com

The population of Ukraine is over 43 million. The population of Kiev is almost 3 million.

I would call an event that attracted "hundreds" as an insignificant number of people in comparison to the population.

All I see form you is more nonsense soup.

Oh, and of course ignore the fact that the Soviets clearly invaded and attacked Finland twice. And was thrown out of the League of Nations because of it.

So you just ignore facts you do not like and try to spin in a circle.

Oh, and he was not a "NAZI", he was a Nationalist and would use anybody he could to make Ukraine independent.

Let me guess, you either are not aware of or were not going to mention that in 1941 he was arrested along with most of his group's leadership and placed in concentration camps. The only reason they were released almost 4 years later was because he hated the Soviets more than he hated the Germans and promised to return to fighting the Soviets.

Instead he left Berlin and hid in the countryside until the war ended a few months later.

Any civilised Country would't allow this filth on the streets.

 

[Sword 1944]

And what exactly were these resolutions?

U.S., Ukraine Vote Against Russian Measure Condemning Nazism At UN

The United States joined Ukraine in voting against a United Nations resolution condemning the glorification of Nazism, citing freedom of speech concerns and saying Russia sponsored the measure as a political attack against Ukraine.

www.rferl.org

 

[Sword 1944]

Yes, and a report clearly said "hundreds".

Ukraine nationalists march to honor wartime partisan leader

Hundreds of Ukrainian nationalists held a torchlight march in the capital of Kyiv to mark the birthday of Stepan Bandera, the leader of a rebel militia that fought alongside Nazi soldiers in World War II.

apnews.com

The population of Ukraine is over 43 million. The population of Kiev is almost 3 million.

I would call an event that attracted "hundreds" as an insignificant number of people in comparison to the population.

All I see form you is more nonsense soup.

Oh, and of course ignore the fact that the Soviets clearly invaded and attacked Finland twice. And was thrown out of the League of Nations because of it.

So you just ignore facts you do not like and try to spin in a circle.

Oh, and he was not a "NAZI", he was a Nationalist and would use anybody he could to make Ukraine independent.

Let me guess, you either are not aware of or were not going to mention that in 1941 he was arrested along with most of his group's leadership and placed in concentration camps. The only reason they were released almost 4 years later was because he hated the Soviets more than he hated the Germans and promised to return to fighting the Soviets.

Instead he left Berlin and hid in the countryside until the war ended a few months later.

In the meantime the Bandera mob helped the Nazis with the holocaust.

 

[Tigerace117]

Yes, and a report clearly said "hundreds".

Ukraine nationalists march to honor wartime partisan leader

Hundreds of Ukrainian nationalists held a torchlight march in the capital of Kyiv to mark the birthday of Stepan Bandera, the leader of a rebel militia that fought alongside Nazi soldiers in World War II.

apnews.com

The population of Ukraine is over 43 million. The population of Kiev is almost 3 million.

I would call an event that attracted "hundreds" as an insignificant number of people in comparison to the population.

All I see form you is more nonsense soup.

Oh, and of course ignore the fact that the Soviets clearly invaded and attacked Finland twice. And was thrown out of the League of Nations because of it.

So you just ignore facts you do not like and try to spin in a circle.

Oh, and he was not a "NAZI", he was a Nationalist and would use anybody he could to make Ukraine independent.

Let me guess, you either are not aware of or were not going to mention that in 1941 he was arrested along with most of his group's leadership and placed in concentration camps. The only reason they were released almost 4 years later was because he hated the Soviets more than he hated the Germans and promised to return to fighting the Soviets.

Instead he left Berlin and hid in the countryside until the war ended a few months later.

Bandera and his men were actively complicit in the Holocaust, and the OUN continued to support German efforts through nearly the entirety of the war.

But I'm not surprised someone who claimed Germany didn't lose World War One wouldn't know that.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Any civilised Country would't allow this filth on the streets.

I actually believe I come from a rather civilized nation. And it permits any to assemble peacefully and to say almost anything they want.

It does not even matter if I agree with them or not, it is the law of the land and has been for well over 200 years.

What you actually seem to believe is that nobody should be allowed to express anything that you do not like.

Oh, and that tradition of "Freedom of Speech"? We got it from the UK.

And I support the right of Labor Unions, Marxists, Anarchists, and Neo-Nazis and KKK members to assemble and protest. So long as they do it peacefully and within the law.

 

[Oozlefinch]

U.S., Ukraine Vote Against Russian Measure Condemning Nazism At UN

The United States joined Ukraine in voting against a United Nations resolution condemning the glorification of Nazism, citing freedom of speech concerns and saying Russia sponsored the measure as a political attack against Ukraine.

www.rferl.org

You know the first thing I noticed from that piece of crap reporting you quoted?

It neither said what the Resolution number was, or provided any link to it.

Also curious, why was this "news" in 2016, when the vote was way back in 2014?

OK, well first of all let us look at the actual resolution, shall we?

Combating glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fuelling contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance :

digitallibrary.un.org

And the US and other nations have been rejecting this nonsense since Russia started submitting the crap back in 2012. But here, instead of dragging back a 7 year old rehash, how about a rehash of the same garbage from last year?

This non-binding resolution was adopted by a majority of countries (105 votes in favor, 52 against and 15 abstentions) during the 77th session of the UN General Assembly's Committee on Social, Humanitarian and Cultural Issues, commonly known as the "Third Committee." Among the countries that voted against the text were France and all the European states, which some observers known for their positions close to the Kremlin were quick to condemn on social media.

Why France and 51 other countries voted against UN resolution condemning Nazism

For a decade, Russia has submitted a text denouncing the 'glorification of Nazism', but the resolution was particularly unpopular this year due to the war in Ukraine.

www.lemonde.fr

And in the past, most of Europe abstained and did not vote. But in the wake of the Invasion of Ukraine, all of Europe voted no to this being brought up yet again.

In short, it is nothing but Russia passing non-binding resolutions as a way to justify invading any nation they want by claiming they are "De-Nazifying" it.

You know, you would have a lot more credibility if you actually found neutral sources and did some research, instead of simply vomiting up yet more propaganda.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Any civilised Country would't allow this filth on the streets.

Neo-Nazis on the March in Moscow: 'We Russians Are Part of the White Race'

Thousands of Russian neo-Nazis marched through Moscow on National Unity Day this weekend, joined by pensioners, students and families. Experts believe Russia's far right gives President Vladimir Putin a welcome justification for his authoritarian political style.

www.spiegel.de

 

[Juin]

Yes, and a report clearly said "hundreds".
The population of Ukraine is over 43 million. The population of Kiev is almost 3 million.
I would call an event that attracted "hundreds" as an insignificant number of people in comparison to the population.

Would you say samething about Jan 6th? Was that insignificant because it was a drop in the bucket in a nation of three hundred millions?

And would you also say it was of little consequence if the Supreme Court of the United States were to rule in a hypothetical case that the regalia of the Klan was not racist? December 5th 2022 the Supreme Court of Ukraine ruled that emblems of the 14th Waffen SS Grenadier Division (1st Galician) was not Nazi. That is the Supreme Court, not some Joe Bandera in a bar. I am not sure what Germany would make of that, given that display of insignia of same 14th Waffen SS Grenadier Division is disapproved of there.

And would you approve of a move to award KKK co founder and Grand Wizard Nathan Bedford Forrest US' highest Award? Or Germany awarding Hitler Germany's highest Award? Why is it not disturbing for Ukraine, time and time again, pulling all levers to award the Nazi collaborator and holocaust co participant, Stepan Bandera, Hero of Ukraine, Ukraine's highest Award?

And how many streets have been named after same killer and mass murderer Stepan Bandera in Ukraine?

Oh, and he was not a "NAZI", he was a Nationalist and would use anybody he could to make Ukraine independent.

Is that why the Bandera folks massacred some 100,000 Poles? If this said Stepan Bandera was so meek and mild why is it that Poland and Israel were in an uproar when Ukraine's Parliament was gonna make his birthday a national day?

Let me guess, you either are not aware of or were not going to mention that in 1941 he was arrested along with most of his group's leadership and placed in concentration camps. The only reason they were released almost 4 years later was because he hated the Soviets more than he hated the Germans and promised to return to fighting the Soviets.
Instead he left Berlin and hid in the countryside until the war ended a few months later.

I suppose Poles, Jews and Russians should forgive that outfit. Afterall they got thrown in concentration camps in their turn by their Nazi masters!

Bottomline is if the animating spirit of Ukraine is the vile and despicable Stepan Bandera then ethnic Russians have no business belonging to such a State.

 

[Sword 1944]

I actually believe I come from a rather civilized nation. And it permits any to assemble peacefully and to say almost anything they want.

It does not even matter if I agree with them or not, it is the law of the land and has been for well over 200 years.

What you actually seem to believe is that nobody should be allowed to express anything that you do not like.

Oh, and that tradition of "Freedom of Speech"? We got it from the UK.

They are Nazis, not some tribute a

You know the first thing I noticed from that piece of crap reporting you quoted?

It neither said what the Resolution number was, or provided any link to it.

Also curious, why was this "news" in 2016, when the vote was way back in 2014?

OK, well first of all let us look at the actual resolution, shall we?

Combating glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fuelling contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance :

digitallibrary.un.org

And the US and other nations have been rejecting this nonsense since Russia started submitting the crap back in 2012. But here, instead of dragging back a 7 year old rehash, how about a rehash of the same garbage from last year?

Why France and 51 other countries voted against UN resolution condemning Nazism

For a decade, Russia has submitted a text denouncing the 'glorification of Nazism', but the resolution was particularly unpopular this year due to the war in Ukraine.

www.lemonde.fr

And in the past, most of Europe abstained and did not vote. But in the wake of the Invasion of Ukraine, all of Europe voted no to this being brought up yet again.

In short, it is nothing but Russia passing non-binding resolutions as a way to justify invading any nation they want by claiming they are "De-Nazifying" it.

You know, you would have a lot more credibility if you actually found neutral sources and did some research, instead of simply vomiting up yet more propaganda.

Calm down, they voted against the resolution that says it all, end of story.

 

[Sword 1944]

Neo-Nazis on the March in Moscow: 'We Russians Are Part of the White Race'

Thousands of Russian neo-Nazis marched through Moscow on National Unity Day this weekend, joined by pensioners, students and families. Experts believe Russia's far right gives President Vladimir Putin a welcome justification for his authoritarian political style.

www.spiegel.de

Strange no one filmed all these Nazis.

 

[Fledermaus]

Russia will not be defeated in Ukraine, Nato will, as for values we have seen enough of those in Ukraine and the Baltic States commemorating Nazis and their collaborators, they can shove those values where the Sun don't shine,those scumbags tried to stop veterans and others from commemorating the victory over Nazi Germany this week, i don't want those values.

The values in Ukraine is the right for a nation to defend itself from an aggressor state.

 

[Fledermaus]

Strange no one filmed all these Nazis.

Not filmed =/= Didn't happen

 

[Oozlefinch]

Would you say samething about Jan 6th?

What happened in Ukraine on 6 January?

 

[Juin]

You know the first thing I noticed from that piece of crap reporting you quoted?
It neither said what the Resolution number was, or provided any link to it.
Also curious, why was this "news" in 2016, when the vote was way back in 2014?
OK, well first of all let us look at the actual resolution, shall we?

And the US and other nations have been rejecting this nonsense since Russia started submitting the crap back in 2012. But here, instead of dragging back a 7 year old rehash, how about a rehash of the same garbage from last year?

Resolutions against glorification of Nazism and Fascism is nonesense!

And in the past, most of Europe abstained and did not vote. But in the wake of the Invasion of Ukraine, all of Europe voted no to this being brought up yet again.
In short, it is nothing but Russia passing non-binding resolutions as a way to justify invading any nation they want by claiming they are "De-Nazifying" it.
You know, you would have a lot more credibility if you actually found neutral sources and did some research, instead of simply vomiting up yet more propaganda.

LOL This farce is killing me. I suppose if Russia submits a resolution denouncing the glorification of Adolf Hitler our civilised Europe will vote against. Congratulations Europe.

 

[Juin]

What happened in Ukraine on 6 January?

No, that was in DC. The whole Trump business and the tea party at the Capitol. Was it insignificant because the numbers there pales in comparison to the 300millions plus population of the US? I should have specified the Jan 6th I had in mind

 

[Oozlefinch]

No, that was in DC.

*looks up at the topic of this thread*

Besides, that was not even the "Tea Party", that was the "Proud Boys". You can't even keep your off-topic attempt at a diversion factual. Do you need a score card, to try and keep the groups straight?

 

[Juin]

*looks up at the topic of this thread*

Besides, that was not even the "Tea Party", that was the "Proud Boys". You can't even keep your off-topic attempt at a diversion factual. Do you need a score card, to try and keep the groups straight?

My exact words, "and the tea party at the Capitol". Meaning what happened there, not who was there. In the spirit of the Boston Tea Party.

And I notice you dont seem to be whitewashing Nazism; it took that little to embarrass you?

 

[Juin]

They are Nazis, not some tribute a

Ukraine is UNIQUE! It has to be the only nation on planet earth where a veteran of the 14 Waffen SS Grenadier Division (1st Galician) can prance around in pride to adoring crowds; with a Supreme Court ruling that the emblems of Himmler's grenadiers are not Nazi, so as not to stigmatise the Bandera folks

Calm down, they voted against the resolution that says it all, end of story.

Why is it that it is Russia putting in motions to denounce glorification of Nazism and Fascism at the UN? In a sane world I would think Russia would not have the opportunity to put in such a motion because she would have to line up behind the likes of Germany, France, Italy, UK and the rest of the EU gaggle, ahead in line to pass the motion.

The farce! A man refuses to denounce Fascism and Nazism on the ridiculous excuse that it is Russia putting in the motion? Talk of world gone mad. A derangement, to put it mildly. I suppose if Putin denounces the devil the Eu will immediately put in a motion praising the devil LOL

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Why is it that it is Russia putting in motions to denounce glorification of Nazism and Fascism at the UN? In a sane world I would think Russia would not have the opportunity to put in such a motion because she would have to line up behind the likes of Germany, France, Italy, UK and the rest of the EU gaggle, ahead in line to pass the motion.

It's just Russian propaganda, nothing more, but you knew that.

 

[Oozlefinch]

My exact words, "and the tea party at the Capitol". Meaning what happened there, not who was there. In the spirit of the Boston Tea Party.

And I notice you dont seem to be whitewashing Nazism; it took that little to embarrass you?

All I see is you bouncing around at a great many things that are off topic.

And spinning a lot. Apparently yet another that can not just discuss facts but insists on bouncing all over the place and throwing poo as that seems to be the only way you seem to be able to make a point.

Have a nice day.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Agree, its all 3.

Sieg fuer Die Ukraine.

However that may be, this is an English language board.

The proper name of the country in English is Ukraine.