Montecresto
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Disliking what Obama has done to this nation is one thing, but hating your own country as you so obviously do, quite another...In my case I know that Obama's time is limited, and thus all I have to do is wait and he'll be gone with his group of lying assholes...In your case, America will always be America....You can't wait it out.
Not alone, but yes I can make that judgement.
1.) We all should make it 2.) and not merely accept whatever we want to believe.
But as I've told you before, I don't use the poor sources used by many conservatives here.
And the reason is because they are poor.
They are often inaccurate.
What matters to me is accuracy.
it should matter to you as well.
I've already said JMAC--I don't know who they are. Are you going to ask me the same question next post?
But I do not doubt they exist--I know humans well enough. :lol:
AQ, and like affiliates don't apply to the GC....If the UN want's to say that we violated our Convention obligations, let them enforce it....Come get some.
Do the Geneva Conventions documents actually say that AQ, and like affiliates are exempt from the protection they provide for POWs?
Oh, I wasn't aware that you were a foreign affairs expert....What are your qualifications in that area?
1.) If you are talking about arriving at a personal opinion then sure, why not....Everyone has an opinion, they are like rear ends, and most of them stink.
2.) You couch your qualification to make a judgement in justification of holding an opinion, then in the same sentence talk about basing that on which one believes? Are you serious? pfft.
I certainly wouldn't expect a died in the wool liberal progressive to use anything other than sources that confirm their own biases...You are no different.
No, the reason is because YOU BELIEVE they are poor....
No, YOU BELIEVE they are often inaccurate...
I would believe that if it were ever demonstrated.
Overall, I believe it does, as much as you think it does for you.
Didn't say I was. I'm a source expert, educated to evaluate sources.
Opinions are not equal. They are only as strong as their reasoning and their support. The better the reasoning and support, the better the opinion.
Do you ever recognize your pot to kettle statements? However, the one who uses accurate sources.
No, because they are poor, as I've shown to you many are inaccurate.
No, they have proven to be inaccurate.
You should pay attention better.
I wish you would show it more than and use accurate sources.
Actually, there is language in there that addresses non state aggressors....the interpretation of which is still argued today....But, the fact remains, throwing the GC up at the US while remaining silent on the terrorists depravity, and lawlessness is a tactic of propaganda of our enemies, and means that you either support our enemies, or are a dhimmi. Which is it?
.. . . . Just because others in the world act badly doesn't mean that the USA should stoop to their level.. . . . .
What a ridiculous ignorant thing to say. We did not waterboard people just to do it, just because they were enemies. . . . . we did it to only three individuals in order to prevent the deaths of thousands more Americans. That is not stooping to their level, that is saving lives. And if pouring some water on some piece of sh*t Muslim Fascist will save American lives, then waterboard them all and the camels they rode in on.
And by the way: Waterbioarding is not torture. We waterboard Nave SEAL during training. This whole subject is just anti-Bush derangement. First call waterboarding torture, then you can call Bush a criminal. Hardy har harr. Pure stupidity.
Waterboarding, AKA the Drowning Torture, was considered torture when the Japanese did it......
So we are are like the Japs? They attacked and conquered and tortured to gain, we waterboadred to save lives. . . are you that STUPID, you can't see how IGNORANT your comparison is?
Your brains is fried. I'll bet money right now that you smoke dope. That would explain your stupidity
All senior U.S. officials and CIA agents who authorized or carried out torture like waterboarding as part of former President George W. Bush's national security policy must be prosecuted, top U.N. officials said Wednesday.
It's not clear, however, how human rights officials think these prosecutions will take place, since the Justice Department has declined to prosecute and the U.S. is not a member of the International Criminal Court.
Zeid Raad al-Hussein, the U.N. high commissioner for human rights, said it's "crystal clear" under international law that the United States, which ratified the U.N. Convention Against Torture in 1994, now has an obligation to ensure accountability.
"In all countries, if someone commits murder, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they commit rape or armed robbery, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they order, enable or commit torture ? recognized as a serious international crime ? they cannot simply be granted impunity because of political expediency," he said.
U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon hopes the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee report on the CIA's harsh interrogation techniques at secret overseas facilities is the "start of a process" toward prosecutions, because the "prohibition against torture is absolute," Ban's spokesman said.
Ben Emmerson, the U.N.'s special rapporteur on counterterrorism and human rights, said the report released Tuesday shows "there was a clear policy orchestrated at a high level within the Bush administration, which allowed (it) to commit systematic crimes and gross violations of international human rights law."
He said international law prohibits granting immunity to public officials who allow the use of torture, and this applies not just to the actual perpetrators but also to those who plan and authorize torture.
UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture - ABC News
The only CIA agent who has been jailed to date for anything to do with torture is John Kiriakou, for whistleblowing on the CIA torture program.
LOL.
I'm amazed that someone could write the above and still have the cognitive ability to type.
I see you are not paying attention to what has been said. :dohWTF?WTF?The US constitution prohibits torture.
The constitution does not outlaw enhanced interrogation techniques.
Enhanced interrogation is not done as punishment.
Change the name and its legal?
Enhanced interrogation techniques are pain compliance...pain compliance is torture.
If its so cool, will you submit to a few hours of it?
Again. The enhanced interrogation techniques were specifically designed not to run afoul of the law.Torture is banned under the Geneva Conventions which the USA ratified.
I see you are not paying attention to what has been said. :doh
1. A specific and false argument was made.
The Constitution does not prohibit torture for interrogation purposes. It only prohibits torture as punishment for a crime.
As previously provided.
INGRAHAM v. WRIGHT
430 U.S. 651
(1977)
1. [...]
[...]
(a) The history of the Eighth Amendment and the decisions of this Court
make it clear that the prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment
was designed to protect those convicted of crime. Pp. 664-668.
[...]
FindLaw | Cases and Codes
And if you do not understand what the U.S. stands for in the above site reference. It is a U.S. Supreme Court decision.
2. And it is not a name change. The techniques were for interrogation purposes and purposely designed not to run afoul of the law.
They were even investigated and no charges followed.
So you either understand or you do not.
Again. The enhanced interrogation techniques were specifically designed not to run afoul of the law.
They were investigated and no charges came from it.
Wrong.And I see that you still have not learned proper discourse and debate.
:dohI figure anyone who can't ever reply to a post without a personal insult in the first line isn't really up on ****.....
Irrelevance accompanied by a false statement.I do not care that your constitution which is pretty much a joke prevents or allows anything. I do not care that you people and especially your president change the name of things to get away with anything they want......
:naughtyIt is though a matter of morality and conscience.
...
Again. The enhanced interrogation techniques were specifically designed not to run afoul of the law.
They were investigated and no charges came from it.
:dohTorture was investigated by the same people who were involved in the practice. When the Senate tried to investigate information was withheld, yet they still concluded that there was illegal torture. The Obama administration granted to defacto amnesty to the Bush administration for their law breaking when it was decided that they would not investigater.
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