I don't. I just think he's a local yocal with more guns than brains and is easily manipulated by NRA propaganda. Problem is there are thousands if not millions more just like him all over the country and worse yet, they're getting into positions of power and authority and that's scary.Bet he has money in arms manufactures and hence a vested interested in selling weapons across the global that kill people.
I don't. I just think he's a local yocal with more guns than brains and is easily manipulated by NRA propaganda. Problem is there are thousands if not millions more just like him all over the country and worse yet, they're getting into positions of power and authority and that's scary.
I don't think that the issue is smarts. Plenty of smart people believe crazy things.I don't. I just think he's a local yocal with more guns than brains and is easily manipulated by NRA propaganda.
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Really, who can argue with that?
The UN Arms Trade Treaty has an exception that reads:
The States Parties to this Treaty, Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations...Reaffirming the sovereign right of any State to regulate and control conventional arms exclusively within its territory, pursuant to its own legal or constitutional system...
http://treaties.un.org/doc/Treaties/2013/04/20130410 12-01 PM/Ch_XXVI_08.pdf#page=21
So whats the problem with the UN Arms Trade Treaty? Well....nothing really...unless you're NRA former nutjob LaPierre....
"I am here to announce NRA's strong opposition to anti-freedom policies that disregard American citizens right to self-defense," said LaPierre during UN testimony on the treaty last year. "We will not stand idly by while international organizations, whether state-based or stateless, attempt to undermine the fundamental liberties our men and women in uniform have fought so bravely to preserve...and on which our entire American system of government is based".
After his testimony to the UN, LaPierre told reporters outside the UN building: "We are not gonna let our great American freedoms be reduced to some global lowest common denominator," he bravely explained. "We are not gonna submit American freedoms to these globalist vultures that will reduce American freedom to a hollow shell. We are not gonna let that happen, we are gonna fight it and we're gonna defeat it."
LaPierre went on FoxNews to tell people that the proposed treaty "says to people in the United States 'turn over your personal protection and your firearms to the government'."
The BRAD BLOG : Caving To NRA Lies, Obama Administration Backs Away from UN Small Arms Trade Treaty
Well, now we know where Police Chief Kessler gets his information from because he sure didn't bother to read what the UN Arms Trade Treaty really said. Unfortunately, thanks to the NRA's lying propaganda, neither did congress because they didn't ratify the treaty. Oh but never fear, because as long as someone like Chief Kessler is on "dudy" or is it "doody" and swallowing NRA propaganda hook line and sinker, we needn't ever worry about "despotic regimes, human rights abusers, warlords, pirates and drug lords around the world." Because he and thousands just like him all over rural America have got us covered.
"Anti-gun treaty proponents continue to mislead the public, claiming the treaty would have no impact on American gun owners. That's a bald-faced lie. For example, the most recent draft treaty includes export/import controls that would require officials in an importing country to collect information on the 'end user' of a firearm, keep the information for 20 years, and provide the information to the country from which the gun was exported. In other words, if you bought a Beretta shotgun, you would be an 'end user' and the U.S. government would have to keep a record of you and notify the Italian government about your purchase. That is gun registration. If the U.S. refuses to implement this data collection on law-abiding American gun owners, other nations might be required to ban the export of firearms to the U.S."
The treaty amounts to requiring gun registration and tracking of all imported small arms to the "end user".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_Trade_Treaty
That was a comment on a daft. idk what else was in the draft.The treaty amounts to requiring gun registration and tracking of all imported small arms to the "end user".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_Trade_Treaty
You're quoting the lobbying arm of the NRA? Really? Can you show me exactly where in the Arms Trade Treaty where it says that? Here's the link....
http://treaties.un.org/doc/Treaties/2013/04/20130410 12-01 PM/Ch_XXVI_08.pdf#page=21
That was a comment on a daft. idk what else was in the draft.
What was actually passed contains this language:
http://www.un.org/disarmament/ATT/docs/ATT_text_(As_adopted_by_the_GA)-E.pdf
Underlining the need to prevent and eradicate the illicit trade in conventionalarms and to prevent their diversion to the illicit market, or for unauthorized end useand end users, including in the commission of terrorist acts,
Article 8Import1. Each importing State Party shall take measures to ensure that appropriate andrelevant information is provided, upon request, pursuant to its national laws, to theexporting State Party, to assist the exporting State Party in conducting its nationalexport assessment under Article 7. Such measures may include end use or end userdocumentation.
3. Each State Party is encouraged to include in those records: the quantity, value,model/type, authorized international transfers of conventional arms covered underArticle 2 (1), conventional arms actually transferred, details of exporting State(s),importing State(s), transit and trans-shipment State(s), and end users, as appropriate.
It seems that our federal law against a gun registry is more than sufficient.
I don't know that this is the case. I suspect that the treaty does have meanings and effects. But, more to the point, I have not said anything about whether or not the treaty has meanings or effects. I just pointed out that the objections raised in the quoted text taken from wikipedia did not apply to the actual treaty and that the actual treaty did not create or force anything like a gun registry in the US.So it is a treaty entirely without meaning or any affect...
If, as you maintained in the first part of this sentence, the treaty is meaningless and w/o effect, how could we even tell if we were ignoring it? [rhetorical]...so we should simply sign and ignore it?
What about compliance would be problematic?Surely you recognize that other nations will make all sorts of "compliance demands" on nations that actually sign it.
One of its stated purposes is to make the nation of manufacture of a small arm (that is exported) "responsible" for any harm done by the end user of that gun.
Warning: thread videos contain foul language
Really, who can argue with that?
The UN Arms Trade Treaty has an exception that reads:
The States Parties to this Treaty, Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations...Reaffirming the sovereign right of any State to regulate and control conventional arms exclusively within its territory, pursuant to its own legal or constitutional system...
http://treaties.un.org/doc/Treaties/2013/04/20130410 12-01 PM/Ch_XXVI_08.pdf#page=21
So whats the problem with the UN Arms Trade Treaty? Well....nothing really...unless you're NRA former nutjob LaPierre....
"I am here to announce NRA's strong opposition to anti-freedom policies that disregard American citizens right to self-defense," said LaPierre during UN testimony on the treaty last year. "We will not stand idly by while international organizations, whether state-based or stateless, attempt to undermine the fundamental liberties our men and women in uniform have fought so bravely to preserve...and on which our entire American system of government is based".
After his testimony to the UN, LaPierre told reporters outside the UN building: "We are not gonna let our great American freedoms be reduced to some global lowest common denominator," he bravely explained. "We are not gonna submit American freedoms to these globalist vultures that will reduce American freedom to a hollow shell. We are not gonna let that happen, we are gonna fight it and we're gonna defeat it."
LaPierre went on FoxNews to tell people that the proposed treaty "says to people in the United States 'turn over your personal protection and your firearms to the government'."
The BRAD BLOG : Caving To NRA Lies, Obama Administration Backs Away from UN Small Arms Trade Treaty
Well, now we know where Police Chief Kessler gets his information from because he sure didn't bother to read what the UN Arms Trade Treaty really said. Unfortunately, thanks to the NRA's lying propaganda, neither did congress because they didn't ratify the treaty. Oh but never fear, because as long as someone like Chief Kessler is on "dudy" or is it "doody" and swallowing NRA propaganda hook line and sinker, we needn't ever worry about "despotic regimes, human rights abusers, warlords, pirates and drug lords around the world." Because he and thousands just like him all over rural America have got us covered.
Or he could be a man worried about his country and the rights of its citizens.I don't. I just think he's a local yocal with more guns than brains and is easily manipulated by NRA propaganda. Problem is there are thousands if not millions more just like him all over the country and worse yet, they're getting into positions of power and authority and that's scary.
Which text in the treaty will keep weapons from "the good guys"?In international terms, this treaty will do nothing except keeps wrapons out of the hands of the good guys.
I suspect that you are right. Based on what he posted, I suspect he's also someone who has not read the treaty.Or he could be a man worried about his country and the rights of its citizens.
Warning: thread videos contain foul language
Really, who can argue with that?
The UN Arms Trade Treaty has an exception that reads:
The States Parties to this Treaty, Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations...Reaffirming the sovereign right of any State to regulate and control conventional arms exclusively within its territory, pursuant to its own legal or constitutional system...
http://treaties.un.org/doc/Treaties/2013/04/20130410 12-01 PM/Ch_XXVI_08.pdf#page=21
So whats the problem with the UN Arms Trade Treaty? Well....nothing really...unless you're NRA former nutjob LaPierre....
"I am here to announce NRA's strong opposition to anti-freedom policies that disregard American citizens right to self-defense," said LaPierre during UN testimony on the treaty last year. "We will not stand idly by while international organizations, whether state-based or stateless, attempt to undermine the fundamental liberties our men and women in uniform have fought so bravely to preserve...and on which our entire American system of government is based".
After his testimony to the UN, LaPierre told reporters outside the UN building: "We are not gonna let our great American freedoms be reduced to some global lowest common denominator," he bravely explained. "We are not gonna submit American freedoms to these globalist vultures that will reduce American freedom to a hollow shell. We are not gonna let that happen, we are gonna fight it and we're gonna defeat it."
LaPierre went on FoxNews to tell people that the proposed treaty "says to people in the United States 'turn over your personal protection and your firearms to the government'."
The BRAD BLOG : Caving To NRA Lies, Obama Administration Backs Away from UN Small Arms Trade Treaty
Well, now we know where Police Chief Kessler gets his information from because he sure didn't bother to read what the UN Arms Trade Treaty really said. Unfortunately, thanks to the NRA's lying propaganda, neither did congress because they didn't ratify the treaty. Oh but never fear, because as long as someone like Chief Kessler is on "dudy" or is it "doody" and swallowing NRA propaganda hook line and sinker, we needn't ever worry about "despotic regimes, human rights abusers, warlords, pirates and drug lords around the world." Because he and thousands just like him all over rural America have got us covered.
So what is the problem the UN Treaty is trying to resolve, and how does it do so?
Once treaties, laws, legislation's are passed. Thats a foothold. From that point they can be expanded many times with no vote or influence from the citizens of this country.I suspect that you are right. Based on what he posted, I suspect he's also someone who has not read the treaty.
So whats the problem with the UN Arms Trade Treaty?
One thing is for sure, it won't be enforced at all by the US at all, thanks to NRA lobbying efforts and a brain dead congress. Apparently, there is too much money to made selling arms to genocidal regimes, war lords, drug cartels, pirates and terrorists.The purpose of this is to enforce laws that keep arms out of the wrong hands. Wrong hands being war lords, terrorists, genocidal regimes, etc. My only problem with it is that I have serious doubts that it can be successfully enforced.
One thing is for sure, it won't be enforced at all by the US at all, thanks to NRA lobbying efforts and a brain dead congress. Apparently, there is too much money to made selling arms to genocidal regimes, war lords, drug cartels, pirates and terrorists.
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