Ukraine says they will make a nuke if Western nations stop helping them.

[Juin]

So why didn't they move to Russia?

For the nth time, they have already moved to Russia; along with their lands.

 

[iguanaman]

It seems to be working for them, so I don't see the issue.

LOL Ukraine is a scrap yard of those Soviet weapons. Well over 8000 Russian tanks have been destroyed by Ukraine. We only lost 7000 tanks in europe during WWII. They are losing 1000's of men for every field and village they capture and Putin does not care. If you cared about human lives you would call for Putin to withdraw from Ukraine.

 

[iguanaman]

For the nth time, they have already moved to Russia; along with their lands.

Then they will need to leave. The 1991 borders are going to be reinstated. Russia will not benefit from their illegal invasion.

 

[Juin]

Then they will need to leave. The 1991 borders are going to be reinstated. Russia will not benefit from their illegal invasion.

Its not up to you

 

[iguanaman]

Its not up to you

It is up to Ukraine and they will not settle for less. It is past time for Putin to withdraw his troops while he still has any left.

 

[Juin]

It is up to Ukraine and they will not settle for less.

You say its up to Ukraine, only to immediately make it up to you.

It is past time for Putin to withdraw his troops while he still has any left.

Why should he withdraw when he is taking more real estate daily?

 

[iguanaman]

You say its up to Ukraine, only to immediately make it up to you.





Why should he withdraw when he is taking more real estate daily?

Because he cannot win no matter what the west decides. If they don't get the weapons they need to win from the west they will nuke Russia. You don't really think Ukraine has eliminated 600,000 Russian invaders just to give in?

 

[rjay]

If they have the capability then haven't they been working on it already? Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

They used to have plenty of nukes. They wanted to keep them in case Russia ever attacked. They agreed to give them all up and in exchange the U.S. and the west would support Ukraine if ever Russia did attack.
That is what has ben happening. The problem is that the propaganda Russia was spouting to their citizens, to ensure their support for the war, is now being echoed by many on the right, in the U.S.

Online folks like Tim Pool, Dave Reuben and others have been paid to spout the Russian line to their American followers. And now we have many on the right, particularly those in the MAGA world, wanting to stop Ukraine.
Listen to Putin say it one month, and two months later listen to MTG say it. If Trump is elected, Russia gets all of Ukraine's oil and wheat.

One thing that is true now, that never was before. The U.S. can no longer be counted on to honor their commitments, their deals or any agreements they make, with other countries.

If a country makes an agreement with the U.S., the U.S. may or may not honor the deal.

 

[The Mark]

There's no way Russia will ever win this war.

It is my understanding that Russia lost in terms of how much power they have lost (perceived vs actual?), more than a year ago.

I'm not an expert though, that's based on some articles and commentary I read awhile back.

 

[Roadvirus]

Why should he withdraw when he is taking more real estate daily?

The longer Russia stays in Ukraine, the longer the West's sanctions will stay in place.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Turns out this was bullshit.

I figured it was. They don't have the refining equipment (centerfuges, etc) to extract weapons grade fissile material from their reactors.

 

[Fledermaus]

Funny thing is the lesson from history is that Russia did not genocide Ukraine when it was part of Russia.

Holodomor

 

[Rogue Valley]

One thing that is true now, that never was before. ]The U.S. can no longer be counted on to honor their commitments, their deals or any agreements they make, with other countries.

If a country makes an agreement with the U.S., the U.S. Donald Trump may or may not honor the deal.

Fixed that.

 

[multivita-man]

This is a brilliant move and not a bluff either. Ukraine has had the capability to make a plutonium bomb since the start of the war, that is a given. Ukraine will not surrender to Putin no matter what the west says or does. If the west is worried about a nuclear conflict between Russia and Ukraine they must give Ukraine the conventional weapons to win this war. It also make clear what a psycho Putin is. He has zero chance of getting his way in Ukraine and still does not care that 1000+ Russians a day are fighting a hopeless war.

I think Russia would be incentivized to begin targeting nuclear reactors at that point. We need to start pushing for some sort of end to this conflict before it becomes a regional or even a global catastrophe.

 

[iguanaman]

I think Russia would be incentivized to begin targeting nuclear reactors at that point. We need to start pushing for some sort of end to this conflict before it becomes a regional or even a global catastrophe.

Ukraine is pushing as hard as they can to convince Russia to leave Ukraine. As long as the west keeps helping them in that regard there will be no need for nukes. Do you support keeping nukes out of the picture in Ukraine or not?

 

[Rogue Valley]

Ukraine is pushing as hard as they can to convince Russia to leave Ukraine. As long as the west keeps helping them in that regard there will be no need for nukes. Do you support keeping nukes out of the picture in Ukraine or not?

Her always pushes Ukraine to surrender and cede their lands rather than have Russia withdraw.

 

[iguanaman]

Her always pushes Ukraine to surrender and cede their lands rather than have Russia withdraw.

He is really just pushing Ukraine into making nukes since he is also not in favor of Ukraine joining NATO. There will be no Russian victory in Ukraine and anyone that thinks that is as delusional as Putin. For all we know Ukraine may already have a nuke or 2.

 

[MamboDervish]

It is Obama's fault. We had a security treaty with Ukraine and we didnt live up to it.

You are LYING! We didn't have a security treaty with Ukraine until Biden signed one June of this year. But if we did have one, then you're saying Trump didn't live up to it either. Do you read what you post? Do you think before you post? Because there is certainly no evidence of either.

Obama could have done what Joe did: supply missiles and tanks to the Ukrainians, but instead he just pretended it didnt happen.

Another LIE.
Ukraine didn't even ask for tanks and missiles after the Crimea invasion. Not from anyone. Pay attention.

The fact that you defend Oblama's inaction is proof youre a Putinista,

The fact that you support Putin's ass licker Trump is proof that YOU'RE a Putinista.

Seriously, where to you get your wealth of disinformation from? You write posts that sound like they're coming from some propaganda echo chamber where no Oxygen is allowed in. Have you ever bothered to confirm a single assertion you make with a different source? The facts are out there and not hard to find. Anybody can actually look up things like US treaties with different countries. They're all a matter of public record. Why embarrass yourself by simply making shit up when you know damned well I'm just going to correct you? You make no sense at all - which I guess explains your defense of Trump.

 

[LouC]

Ukraine says they will make a nuke if Western nations stop helping them. ​

The fools.

They should do that now, while they are still getting all of that military support and cash!

 

[PoS]

You are LYING! We didn't have a security treaty with Ukraine until Biden signed one June of this year. But if we did have one, then you're saying Trump didn't live up to it either. Do you read what you post? Do you think before you post? Because there is certainly no evidence of either.

Another LIE.
Ukraine didn't even ask for tanks and missiles after the Crimea invasion. Not from anyone. Pay attention.

Obama betrayed Ukraine, read up on the Budapest memorandum, that much is fact, and the fact you defend what he did is proof positive you want Putin to take over that country. Your fascist beliefs are as disgusting as your lies are.

The fact that Putin tried to invade the rest of Ukraine when your buddy Joe was POTUS is more proof you support Putin. The truth has exposed you for the kind of person you truly are. Well done.

 

[MamboDervish]

Obama betrayed Ukraine, read up on the Budapest memorandum, that much is fact, and the fact you defend what he did is proof positive you want Putin to take over that country. Your fascist beliefs are as disgusting as your lies are.

As predicted, no defense of your LIE that there was a treaty to defend Ukraine - there was not - and likewise no explanation of why Trump did nothing to arm Ukraine or retake Crimea when he was in office. Thanks for inadvertently proving my point!

The fact that Putin tried to invade the rest of Ukraine when your buddy Joe was POTUS is more proof you support Putin.

Non-sequitur. That's about as ****ed up a demonstration of illogic as I've seen you spew.

The truth has exposed you for the kind of person you truly are. Well done.

You mean brighter, more honest and better informed than you are? Thanks.

 

[Luce]

I think Russia would be incentivized to begin targeting nuclear reactors at that point. We need to start pushing for some sort of end to this conflict before it becomes a regional or even a global catastrophe.

So great. Lets send the Ukrainians all the weapons they need, and remove restrictions.

The war would be over soon enough.

 

[redbeer]

This is a brilliant move and not a bluff either. Ukraine has had the capability to make a plutonium bomb since the start of the war, that is a given. Ukraine will not surrender to Putin no matter what the west says or does. If the west is worried about a nuclear conflict between Russia and Ukraine they must give Ukraine the conventional weapons to win this war. It also make clear what a psycho Putin is. He has zero chance of getting his way in Ukraine and still does not care that 1000+ Russians a day are fighting a hopeless war.

The hole the Biden/Harris administration has gotten us into is getting bigger and deeper.....such great foreign policy, lol. Now, they're supporting the use of nuclear weapons......wow!

 

[Luce]

Her always pushes Ukraine to surrender and cede their lands rather than have Russia withdraw.

Neville Chamberlain, come home. Apparently all is forgiven.

 

[Luce]

The hole the Biden/Harris administration has gotten us into is getting bigger and deeper.....such great foreign policy, lol. Now, they're supporting the use of nuclear weapons......wow!

Except they're not.

And what's Trump's policy? Oh, yeah. To give Putin whatever he wants.