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i have a feeling you'll win that one. night.i made a post to a very specific response. if you would like to test your knowledge of WWII make a thread and i would be more than happy to debate you. until then ....
killing for nothing does not a patriot make. standing as a lone voice against the idiocy of government makes a patriot. i asked before i will ask again. would you have applauded the Nazi's if the soldiers had not fought? why would you applaud a US troop that blindly follows after foolish orders? makes no sense maybe you could explain the thought behind your dual thinking.
Because if a soldier will follow orders that aren't perfect, in a perfect world, then I know that no matter what, I can count him to protect this country, to the death. I don't have much confidence in a soldier who picks and chooses what missions he is dedicated to. He might change his mind, when we need him the most. Soldiers have to be able to be counted on 100% of the time, not just when they feel like doing their job.
I don't know, Iraq's impiralism into kuwait did threaten the entire region and our allies...
not fake. blind patriotism is what makes no sense to me. it seems the military has this in abundance.
were the Nazi's right? who's judgment makes it wrong?
was the US right to attack a nation for the wrongs of some? who's judgment is it that all should pay for the acts of a few?
is this what would be called an eye for an eye?
Guess Kuwait shouldn't have been side drilling and stealing Iraq's oil. And guess we should of had competent ambassadors who would have told Saddam the US would look very negatively upon invasion and possible become involved and not that we wouldn't have an opinion. But que sera sera.
It's not blind patriotism. It's a devotion, to the death, to his unit and his comrades. You'll never be able to understand, but when your life is on the line, the last thing you want is someone who might waffle at the last second.
Exactly!
You can't depend on a floor when it has holes right through it.
Guess Kuwait shouldn't have been side drilling and stealing Iraq's oil. And guess we should of had competent ambassadors who would have told Saddam the US would look very negatively upon invasion and possible become involved and not that we wouldn't have an opinion. But que sera sera.
So, when Mexican companies kick their drill pipe off a couple miles north of the Rio Grande, we should invade them? Rape, pillage and burn?
Or it just needed a bigger hammer in us as an allie. :lol:
Oh, certainly you do - because, surely, if someone doesn't think the same way you do they're insane :roll: That's logical, oh sure.
Logical in the same way that everyone whines about what the police officers do until they find theirselves in a pickle and much in need of their protection.
Fortunately people like you are the minority, rightly so, becuase most balanced people understand that there's always a give and a take to every situation.
So, naturally, you consider the soldiers to be at fault but you think that the leaders aren't in the wrong?
You're directing your distaste towards the wrong people - it's the leaders that bare the brunt and call the shots, they're the ones to be held accountable.
It wasn't an excuse of invasion. It's highlighting that Iraq didn't just invade Kuwait for the fun of it. They had reasonable problem with Kuwait invading their sovereignty. They handled it poorly, partly because the US ambassador of the time told Saddam the US wouldn't have an opinion on Iraq invading Kuwait.
the leaders are more wrong. if they didn't have over zealous forces to send it could not happen now could it?
there is never a good reason to invade a nation. sorry invasion is wrong. the US was not under threat from Afghanistan or Iraq. it was a gorop of people inside of a nation. why did Saudi Arabia that had most of the people on the planes for 9/11 avoided your swords? you want to explain that?
They had a purdy good time while they were in Kuwait, so it would be hard to believe they didn't do it for the fun of it.
there is never a good reason to invade a nation. sorry invasion is wrong. the US was not under threat from Afghanistan or Iraq. it was a gorop of people inside of a nation. why did Saudi Arabia that had most of the people on the planes for 9/11 avoided your swords? you want to explain that?
there is never a good reason to invade a nation. sorry invasion is wrong. the US was not under threat from Afghanistan or Iraq. it was a gorop of people inside of a nation. why did Saudi Arabia that had most of the people on the planes for 9/11 avoided your swords? you want to explain that?
Any numbers on the civilian deaths caused by Iraq's scorched earth policy when they pulled out?.....
The Kuwaiti government claims that about 7,000 people were murdered and another 25,000 arrested and most of those tortured. There are around 600 Kuwaiti nationals who were taken back to Iraq and are still un-accounted for.
it doesn't matter what we think about those wars, those soldiers took an oath to fight those wars. yes, innocents died, and continue to die. but any anger you might have shouldn't be directed at them.
soldiers don't get to decide which orders they'll follow. as it should be.
The United States is the only country that has "patriotism" as a value or property of importance.
However - every country as an army.
I think she is naive and believes we all can just "choose peace" as if the other guy will as well. :shrug:
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