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I dont have the direct blame for those actions, only the government and the people involved with the policy and abuse have that. But I do and so do all Canadians have the indirect blame for those actions taken by the Canadian government
That's your silly interpretation because you - assume - that the current power brokers in Washington are keenly aware of every dark secret perpetrated by government predecessors. The likelihood of this knowledge-omnipotence is as nil as your assumption.
No, you have an indirect responsibility for their actions. Lord Tammerlain. What can we do about it? How can we help? How can we undo this wrong?
That is reacting to the problem with responsibility of past sins, if they knew sins were being committed, but they were not sins of our making.
Instead of feeling any blame we should do whatever we can to resolve any problems our ancestors may have committed. They did a lot of good, occasionally some bad. We can hope to improve on their legacy by doing even better.
But blame and guilt? Those are two of most useless and unproductive emotional responses of all.
I am using the term blame in the manner of being responsible for. I didnt commit those injustices, I dont have any guilt about them on a personal level. The Canadian government committed those acts not even on my behalf as I was not born yet. But as a Canadian citizen I share a collective responsibility/blame for those actions. It is our duty to compensate those effected, and work to ensure such things never occur again
Yep I agree fully. There is no use in hiding behind the "but it was an older generation" excuse (often selectively) for actions of your nation against others. It brings nothing but problems in the long run...
That's clearly nonsense. How far do the sins of our fathers extend?
That's clearly nonsense. How far do the sins of our fathers extend? Surely there must be a stale-date on them.
I certainly wouldn't blame the Germans of today for starting wars and committing genocide, nor would I judge the Spanish or Italians for supporting Fascism. It seems goofy Eurolefties are only in the unforgiving department when it involves Americans.
PeteEU The French still get ridiculed on a daily basis by American's because they surrendered to the German's in WW2.
.The Germans get the "nazi" jab when ever someone starts to loose an argument against them and the Brits are great at reminding the Germans about the war
Israel officials go often out of their way to remind people of the holocaust as often as they can.
People use "guilt" against people they disagree with on a daily basis and there is enough guilt to go around.
Of course there is a time limit of sorts.. I dont feel shame for how the Vikings raped the English Islands, but I do feel a bit shamed over the Danish owned slave farms in the West Indies and feel a lot of shame and responsibility to what happened during WW2. I am not saying that we should feel responsibility for the sins of our fathers that happened 200+ years ago, but stuff that happened in recent history.. you betcha.
.The US should feel guilty as a nation for the **** that it did to these people in Honduras and its own people (native American's and black American's) later on.
.Every nation has its dark moments.. The French and Algeria, Spain and Franco, Britain and its former colonies, Germany, Ital and Ethiopia, Turkey and the Ottoman Empire and so on. Ignoring these sins just because they happened before you were born and not feeling guilty that your nation could do such things... is just... pathetic denial.
Plus if we dont acknowledge our sins, then we are doomed to repeat them.
Let me know when the experiements could cause you to die a horrible death as a direct result of the experiement
Tashah said:That's your silly interpretation because you - assume - that the current power brokers in Washington are keenly aware of every dark secret perpetrated by government predecessors. The likelihood of this knowledge-omnipotence is as nil as your assumption.
Do you ever stop with the assumptions and the US = Evil shtick?I'm not assuming that Hillary Clinton or the "current power brokers in Washington [were] keenly aware" of this event, but rather that because they are just as willing to enact such monstrous policies, that they have no moral basis on which to apologize. They only care about realpolitik, not principles.
Then point out something they said today. In fact the French are ridiculed for their anti Americanism, just as are other Western Europeans.
Yes, I saw that Fawlty Towers episode. Those who use these arguments from the past should think twice. When Germans start lecturing Americans about "the Indians", for example, then it's fair to remind them of their own horrendous history. No European is in any position of taking a 'Holier than thou' attitude with Americans, not with their history.
Well I suppose they well might, considering that other holocausts by ignorant Muslims are being discussed openly today. That is not just history, it is ongoing.
If someone is guilty of contemporary crimes then it is fair game. If it is ancestral it is not, unless they are condoning, excusing or repeating those same crimes today.
So you feel we should continue to slag the French, Russians and Germans? Go ahead, but unless they are defending Nazism, Fascism or Communism, I'll probably defend them.
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LOL! It's not up to some Eurolefty to decide whether Americans should still feel guilty or not. You should look closer to home if your searching for someone to find fault with.
What a small miserable life you must lead.
They are repeated because people refuse to learn from the past. It is not brain surgery. Any idiot could have said going into Afghanistan would be hard if not impossible.. how? because the mightiest Empire in human history failed to do so and as well as the Russians.. ya know.. historical fact.We can learn from the past certainly but those lessons are often lost, only to be repeated over and over again. We can see that going on today.
Money doesn't always fix things. Particularly in cases like this.Th
Between 1985 and 1992, the United States provided Guatemala about $936 million total aid.
That should cover any past damages and a half.
This BS invites trouble.
What about the people who voted for the other candidate that lost?
Are they still responsible?
Do you really grasp the simplicity of the idea that the Government is the people? Thats kinda what a representitive democrasy is about. When all is said and done, the government is responsible to it's people, the people are responsible for the government.That's bull****. This was a SECRET PROGRAM which was kept hidden from the American people.
Why? Because the government knew that the program DID NOT represent the will of the American people.
You really can't grasp this simplicity?
Money doesn't always fix things. Particularly in cases like this.
As foreign a concept as this might be to you.......its not about the money.
Yes.
Unless they give up their citizenship, it is still their country, and their government.
Uh huh, well it certainly isn't about trumpeting how America sucks, Obama has done that ad nausem for the past 20 months.
I see, "White people done took alot from Black people" is that it?
Now here is a true racist....
j-mac
What I want to know is what earthly good does it do to give our enemies and potential enemies and our blame America first domestic enemies from within like Obama and Hillary more fodder the use around the World against us, and it fixes not one damn thing.
When this kind of thing comes to light it should be quietly investigated to insure that it has stopped and unless there is a positive reason it should remain in the files unless those responsible can be brought to justice.
Otherwise it's more worthless Left-wing garbage.
Stuff like that still happens in other countries - but it's usually funded by *private companies* doing research for medicines, etc - not the government (though I'm sure they're still doing it, too)
And when people die - they just pay the families to be silent.
What has that got to do with the citizens responsibility fo their ellected representitives?
Even if you don't vote for them, they are still your representitives.
So the truth be damned.
Are all truths helpful, even if they damage lives?
j-mac
Some of them are.
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