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Right. And a Nazi could equally say that they cannot speak for other Nazis, only for themselves. But in fact if you support Nazis, Fascists, Racists, or any of these type of groups, then you'll be identified with them. Otherwise they should be denounced.
But who are the innocents?
Islam isn't comparable to Nazism; Nazism is a political ideology.
So is islam, of course.
Are you joking or did you really not know that?
They are exactly the same except for not being alike.
I already posted my link proving my claim in post number 91 in this thread, and have alluded to it three times since then. If you are too damn lazy to click the links, then maybe you should think a little before running your mouth, and inferring that someone is either a liar, or gets his information from other than where he says he got it from.
And no, I didn't talk to the families. I read their web site, you know, the one you were too lazy to click the link to.
Here is the link again. Next time, read the damn link before popping off, and making yourself look silly. Reading is fundamental.
911 Families for a Peaceful Tomorrow
Finally, to understand the context of what I said, just so that you don't take anything out of context, read post 91 again, that is, if you even read it the first time.
So is islam, of course.
Are you joking or did you really not know that?
I can readily see why you call yourself Danarhea. Your post 91 suggests you are either stupid or a liar. I believe its both.
You claim in post 91 that 911 Families for a Peaceful Tomorrow has made a statement supporting the Mosque, and they represent 250 families of 911 victims.
Actually, on that website, they say they represent 200 family members. This is what they say.
"A core group of 200 family members directly affected by loss on September 11th have joined our group, and thousands of supporters have joined our mailing list. Our family members live in 31 states and seven foreign countries. In accordance with our bylaws, our director and steering committee members are 9/11 family members".
As many reading this will understand, 200 family members are substantially different from 200 families. Where you got this "250 families" from is anyone's guess.
Muslims murdered 3,000 people on 9/11 alone, which would be be a significant number of families, and that would have left thousands of family members and their friends grieving, much more than just 200.
" To cynically use 911 families as a political football is the kind of dishonesty you find in the Pravda of the Old Soviet Union, and is morally reprehensible".
Yet that is just what you're doing, and in fact that's just what the planners of the Victory Mosque are doing. You are lying as much as they.
Yes, it's all about the 911 families, or is it really? There are several sites, purportedly by 911 families against the Islamic Cultural Center, that actually have nothing to do with the 911 families at all. They are actually financially backed by a man named Frank Gaffney, who is known to many by the name "King of the Birthers". He actually makes Orly Taitz look like an amateur. Some of his statements he has made in the past include:
1) Accusing Obama of speaking in some sort of secret code, saying that the US will submit to sharia law.
2) Accusing Obama of being a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, a terrorist organization that is banned throughout the Middle East.
3) Writing an article for the Moonie Washington Times, accusing Obama of being a Muslim.
4) Accusing Obama, in a column for Andrew Breitbart's hate site, of redesigning the logos of the agency which controls our nuclear arsenal, making it a Muslim agency.
5) And, of course, the man is a birther, who believes that Obama is not a US citizen.
As for those who run the site, there are 2 of them - Both relatives of 911 victims. To be honest here, if my wife or one of my brothers had been a victim on 911, it is remotely possible that there might be 3 of them, me included. But my relatives are not victims, so I won't attempt to speak for those 2. I am sorry for their loss. But make no mistake where the funding is coming from - One of the biggest nutters in the entire USA.
But what of other 911 families? Do these sites speak for them? Apparently not. 911 Families for a Peaceful Tomorrow has made a statement supporting the Mosque, and the represent 250 families of 911 victims.
So, in the end, what do the 911 victims' families have to say about the mosque? Human nature, being what it is, shows that there are families on both sides of this issue. I am not going to judge either side here, because I am not in the shoes of any of them. But there is a think tank that wants you to believe that ALL the 911 families are against the mosque, when that is just not true at all.
In the end, it comes down to this. 911 families are not being so much victimized by the mosque as they are by the nutters who purport to speak for all of them, when they don't. It is a lie of the vilest sort. To cynically use 911 families as a political football is the kind of dishonesty you find in the Pravda of the Old Soviet Union, and is morally reprehensible.
Who speaks for the 911 families? The 911 families themselves, and nobody else. Not you, not think tanks, and not those with a political axe to grind.
Just my 2 cents here.
Again, you did not read my post. I said that this represented 250 families. Again, you lie. And again, you take what I posted out of context.
you are clearly intolerant, therefore not an american.
First, the vast majority of "Islamic terrorist acts" occur in countries where Muslims are either the primary or sole victims.
Second, this is sort of like me saying that you must be a supporter of Fascism as you, as a conservative, have not condemned it enough. It's downright silly.
While I'm sure this might be seized on by muslims as evidence of my intolerance towards Islam, I'm at the point of saying... so the **** what!!!!!. We have tried the policy of tolerance, appeasement, and cultural equivalence. They have failed. Islam is off the rails crazy at this point, and I see little harm in pointing that out to anyone who will listen.
Grant's crap
Who are these "we" and "they"?
First, your post had nothing to do with mine so I have no idea why you quoted me or even addressed it to me.
Second, you link to "The Religion of Peace". That alone lets me know your true ideology and your true political agenda.
Are you saying, Khayembii, that the "Religion of Peace" website contains some factual errors?
I'm saying that the entire premise behind the website is a lie.
That's absolutely ridiculous on about twenty different levels. I can defend the rights of Nazis to speak as they wish and not be a Nazi myself. You dont have to be a member of a group to defend their right to speak.Right. And a Nazi could equally say that they cannot speak for other Nazis, only for themselves. But in fact if you support Nazis, Fascists, Racists, or any of these type of groups, then you'll be identified with them. Otherwise they should be denounced.
That's absolutely ridiculous on about twenty different levels. I can defend the rights of Nazis to speak as they wish and not be a Nazi myself. You dont have to be a member of a group to defend their right to speak.
I believe the Voltaire quote is "I disagree with everything you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it." I believe in free speech and if I support free speech only for groups I agree with, I would be a hypocrite.
One guy; out of how many?
Well, if you look at church burnings, the work of the klan and other such groups over the decades, we can come up with more than on guy. Just saying.
apart from those being carried out by Muslims gangs.
Where are muslims burning churches in the US?
Islam is International, does it have to be in the US alone?
j-mac
Where are muslims burning churches in the US?
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