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1) We're a constitutional republicNapoleon's Nightingale said:The U.S. has never and never will be a democracy..we're a democratic-republic. There's a difference.
saveChief said:"Iraq's Sunni Arabs need to master a simple equation: If you support those who kill Americans, there are penalties. If you cooperate to build a better Iraq, there are rewards. We need contrasts in Iraq between how we treat the deserving and the murderous. If the populace continues to harbor our enemies and the enemies of a healthy Iraqi state, we need to impose strict martial law. Curfew in cities like Fallujah and Baghdad should be set. We should restrict access to the cities and control electricity and water as a punitive tool. Unfair to the innocent? The current situation is unfair to our troops and to the tens of millions of Iraqis who want to build a secure, better future. As long as the Sunni Arabs refuse to be part of the solution, we need to recognize that they're the problem - and treat them appropriately."
Agreed! That is the fundamental issue. The problem lies along the lines of how exactly to treat them. Considering all Sunnis as hostile/untrustworthy/enemies/whatever... may lead to the elimination or at least decline of the threat the insurgents pose. However, that is walking a tightrope under which hangs the net of genocide. It is a frustrating and often fruitless situation, and sometimes the code of good conduct in war must be breached, but it is imperative that some consideration must be made for the aforementioned "innocent". Just as politics is often operated under compromise, so should the Iraq engagement. Well put argument by the way.
Napoleon's Nightingale said:Isn't that something the Iraqi government should be doing? Btw..the Sunni's are the majority and they do not want a democracy..it's their country.
cnredd said:Sunni are far from the majority "Sunni + Kurd > Shiite"
Napoleon's Nightingale said:Did you not see the statistic I gave?
cnredd said:Just did...no link or source...:roll:
SKILMATIC said:Now its my turn to just sit back and say yeah what cnredd, gysgt, shuamort, and navy pride said, lol.
SKILMATIC said:Well since the sunis were the most outspoken of the Iraqis poplation, I am sure sadaam had fun experimenting with his chemical gas weapons of mass destruction, which kiled over 100,000 of them. So I think after those conflicts the sunis were no longer the majority due to the prevelent onslaught of exterminating them. O hey theres your answer he did have WMD's casue he used them on his own people, hey what a concept.
SKILMATIC said:Well since the sunis were the most outspoken of the Iraqis poplation, I am sure sadaam had fun experimenting with his chemical gas weapons of mass destruction, which kiled over 100,000 of them. So I think after those conflicts the sunis were no longer the majority due to the prevelent onslaught of exterminating them. O hey theres your answer he did have WMD's casue he used them on his own people, hey what a concept.
[nitpick]The majority of Kurds are Sunnis.[/nitpick]Napoleon's Nightingale said:Get your facts straight..he gassed the kurds not the sunnis.
Napoleon's Nightingale said:No one had proof that Saddam had any WMDs at anytime after the kurds were gassed.
cnredd said:I love that quote....
"He destroyed hundreds of thousands of people, but, hey! That was YEARS ago, so there's no reason to think he'd do it again."
saveChief said:" Iraq is not our country, they're not our people, what goes on within it's borders is none of our business."
Oh no? I guess it was okay then that everyone else ignored the Hutus and the Tutsis massacring each other. Maybe no one should have helped stop Milosevic? I beg to differ. Maybe there were alternative motives to help galvanize Bush et al but there is no denying Saddam Hussein deserved what he got.
Napoleon's Nightingale said:Besides, the vast majority of Americans do not agree with this war anymore hence why Bush's approval ratings are down to about 38%
SKILMATIC said:Look, that whole theory of iraq invading Saudi is possible, but highly unlikely casue Sadaam may be a mean guy but hes not stupid. Last time he invaded a little country known as kuwait the great american military muscle crushed him in his path. So i think sadaam had enough sense not to try such a rediculous move.
So knowing that. That theory would never happen so that wasnt the actual reason for going to war.
AND EVEN IF HE DID INVADE IT WOULDNT HURT US THAT MUCH SINCE WE GET THE MAJORITY OF OUR OIL FROM THE MEXICANS AND NIGERIA.
It would however hurt almost every nation in the world. And it would eventually hurt us indirectly.
Yes, ignoring the happenings within someone elses border is not a bad thing. The world is certainly more dangerous now that we've taken over Iraq. Where is Osama Bin Laden?? If Bush really feels the need to stomp all over the soveirngty of a foreign nation then he should have finished the job he started in Afghanistan. And now what do we get? Afghanistan is carved up by drug lords, Bin Laden is MIA, and Iraq is in shambles. Maybe in your opinion he deserverd it but Iraq was a soveirgn nation. The U.S. doesn't like other nations meddling in our affairs so why should we do it?
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