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U.S. hits Canada lumber with 34% duties even before tariffs (1 Viewer)

Callen said:
Silly, silly you. Just like last time the builders will still go with Canadian softwood for framing and just pass on to the buyer
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He doesn't remember or even know today that a significant amount of American softwood comes from lots whereupon stumpage fees are paid to "private" landowners. The problem with that little conundrum is the landowners hike their fees to correspond to the now tariffed, better quality Canadian stuff.

The other problem is there not being enough of it available to fill the need in just one state (California) alone, much less the whole country.

So, if the end game is to eliminate Canadian lumber - - same deal as the last time Trump did this stupid stuff; it is still preferred, it is still more readily available, it is still shipped, and it is still purchased by builders and the extra costs passed onto - - American home buyers. (y)

So much for 'not needing anything Canada provides'. 🤭
 
“Southern yellow pine has wider growth rings. Therefore, it twists more and it warps and splits more easily,” said Josh Sawatzky, owner of Madera Forest Products Inc., which is based in Acheson, Alta., located 20 kilometres west of Edmonton.

Compared with American SYP lumber, Canadian SPF is also lighter in weight.
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SYP is also the wood they use to make pressure treated lumber. It's crap, I hate it with a passion. They use it because it's very porous, it sucks up water like a sponge. It's also extremely unstable. Leave it in the sun for an hour and you could build a boat with it.
 
aociswundumho said:
SYP is also the wood they use to make pressure treated lumber. It's crap, I hate it with a passion. They use it because it's very porous, it sucks up water like a sponge. It's also extremely unstable. Leave it in the sun for an hour and you could build a boat with it.
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Do you agree that Canadian SPF is far superior for framing?
 
aociswundumho said:
Yes, it's not even close.
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Given the amount of home construction required from the recent natural disasters in so many States , never mind regular construction, these tariffs make zero sense. I don't think there is anyone helping Trump with the bigger picture.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Actually you can't.
You gave up the infrastructure beginning 40 years ago.
You have no mills and not enough loggers. You'd be importing workers from................Canada.
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no mills .... wow

its clear you have no idea what you're talking about not
 
News right now is reporting Trump is hitting China with 104% tariffs.

Whoooeeee! The man is on a mission to tank the markets daily.
 
Callen said:
Given the amount of home construction required from the recent natural disasters in so many States , never mind regular construction, these tariffs make zero sense. I don't think there is anyone helping Trump with the bigger picture.
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Trump is suffering from what Hayek called, "the fatal conceit". It's the idea that a central planner (Trump, in this case) can design and control a complex economy better than it can organize itself through the market.

Trump is a textbook example of the Dunning-Kruger effect which states that people don’t know what they don’t know - and that ignorance leads to overconfidence.
 
stealthycat said:
its an honest question

I've actually been places and done things - enough to know the stupidity of that graph
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You have been places and done things - wow, are we impressed!! 🤣
 
Republicans need to remove his ability to unilaterally issue tariffs. He can't be trusted with it. They won't, though.

Never vote Republican again.
 
SNOWFLAKE said:
You have been places and done things - wow, are we impressed!! 🤣
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its not to impress

its to tell you I've walked the PCH, I've been all over the wester states, lived in Colorado, NM, WY, all over the central USA where I was born and raised, all across south and southeastern ......

I don't need a made up map , I've literally walked it, been there, done that. I've walked where it was once virgin timber and now its 90% beetle killed pines, I know that its very much mixed timber where that map says it isn't. I have family and friends who are logged and own timber industry business. Have all my life

I don't need to read an article and see a map to pretend like most people do
 
stealthycat said:
its not to impress

its to tell you I've walked the PCH, I've been all over the wester states, lived in Colorado, NM, WY, all over the central USA where I was born and raised, all across south and southeastern ......

I don't need a made up map , I've literally walked it, been there, done that. I've walked where it was once virgin timber and now its 90% beetle killed pines, I know that its very much mixed timber where that map says it isn't. I have family and friends who are logged and own timber industry business. Have all my life

I don't need to read an article and see a map to pretend like most people do
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Yeah, but you do carry on, endlessly. You make a point, then you make it again, then you make it some more, and then just for good measure you repeat it. It's like you have a non-stop motor. After a while, one has to wonder, is this one of those Shakespeare things.
You know, from the quote "Dost protest too much." Figure it out, sheesh.
 
SNOWFLAKE said:
Yeah, but you do carry on, endlessly. You make a point, then you make it again, then you make it some more, and then just for good measure you repeat it. It's like you have a non-stop motor. After a while, one has to wonder, is this one of those Shakespeare things.
You know, from the quote "Dost protest too much." Figure it out, sheesh.
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look at the map !!

wasn't that what was said? I don't NEED to look at a faux map - maybe ya'll do, I do not. Sad thing is how many people in these 3 pages of postings believe now that map is accurate and the USA has no timber?

fake news abounds, and people read it and believe it :(
 
stealthycat said:
look at the map !!

wasn't that what was said? I don't NEED to look at a faux map - maybe ya'll do, I do not. Sad thing is how many people in these 3 pages of postings believe now that map is accurate and the USA has no timber?

fake news abounds, and people read it and believe it :(
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It's not that you don't have timber, you don't have sizable amounts of softwood lumber suitable for framing. Builders will still buy Canadian softwood and just pass on the cost just like last time......but you believe whatever makes you feel like you know what you are talking about.
 
Callen said:
It's not that you don't have timber,
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I know that

Callen said:
you don't have sizable amounts of softwood lumber suitable for framing.
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you have no idea what you're talking about - you simply don't

Callen said:
Builders will still buy Canadian softwood and just pass on the cost just like last time......but you believe whatever makes you feel like you know what you are talking about.
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its possible sure

however if using USA lumber is comparable in cost or cheaper? USA building will go that route. The only reason we're using Canada's resources up is bottom line costs. Put the tariff's in places and the prices go up and we'll abandon that import, use USA lumber, Canada timber industry crashes .... that's a very big reality too
 
stealthycat said:
however if using USA lumber is comparable in cost or cheaper? USA building will go that route. The only reason we're using Canada's resources up is bottom line costs. Put the tariff's in places and the prices go up and we'll abandon that import, use USA lumber, Canada timber industry crashes .... that's a very big reality too
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They didn't last time........and they won't this time. You are woefully misinformed

"In 2019, despite ongoing tariffs, builders in the U.S. continued to rely on Canadian softwood lumber for their construction needs. The U.S. imports a significant portion of its softwood lumber, with Canada being a major supplier, particularly in the homebuilding industry. While tariffs have increased costs and created uncertainty, the reliance on Canadian lumber persists due to factors like limited domestic production and the need to meet construction"
 
Callen said:
They didn't last time........and they won't this time. You are woefully misinformed

"In 2019, despite ongoing tariffs, builders in the U.S. continued to rely on Canadian softwood lumber for their construction needs. The U.S. imports a significant portion of its softwood lumber, with Canada being a major supplier, particularly in the homebuilding industry. While tariffs have increased costs and created uncertainty, the reliance on Canadian lumber persists due to factors like limited domestic production and the need to meet construction"
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because of cheap lumber from Canada

and like I said, use Canadian resources up, fine with me ............... at some point if Canada prices go up enough we will stop using it and go with American lumber

same with Canada and importing goods from USA - if the prices go too high, ya'll will get somewhere else, make your own etc
 
Callen said:
Trees take time to grow and besides your softwood is inferior to ours given the warmer temperatures and faster growth rates. Your trees mature in approx 35 years, ours take almost 70 years.

You will just build crappy frames that warp and twist......
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Here in New Zealand I think they have the worlds fastest growing pine trees (Radiata). A place I used to drive past had a sign saying that it was where the worlds fastest growing pine trees were grown. Less than 25 years to harvest iirc. I don't know what the acreage is, but this country is covered in plantation pine forests. It is a huge export industry here, as well as supplying the local markets. From memory commercial harvest typically takes place between 25 and 30 years from planting. I have used plenty of this timber in my various alternations and renovations. Contrary to what you say, there are no issues with warping and twisting. It might be how they dry and treat the timber maybe, but it is absolutely fine to use, and the whole country is built in it.
 
stealthycat said:
because of cheap lumber from Canada

and like I said, use Canadian resources up, fine with me ............... at some point if Canada prices go up enough we will stop using it and go with American lumber

same with Canada and importing goods from USA - if the prices go too high, ya'll will get somewhere else, make your own etc
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YOu're having a reading comprehension problem! The article specifically stated "in spite of higher tariffed costs" IT WAS NO LONGER CHEAPER BUT THE IMPORTERS KEPT IMPORTING AND THE BUYERS KEPT BUYING IT!!!

Do you understand now?
 
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