WASHINGTON — The Obama administration’s decision to authorize the killing by the Central Intelligence Agency of a terrorism suspect who is an American citizen ...
The notion that the government can, in effect, execute one of its own citizens far from a combat zone, with no judicial process and based on secret intelligence...
Oh, how rich.
Team Obi finds water boarding repulsive, but assassination acceptable.
Nice little ethical box Obi and his trons have to play with.
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Under the Laws of War and the U.S. Constitution, there is no ethical dilemma. Combatants can be targeted as military objectives. That a person is a U.S. citizen does not render him immune from his being a military objective. The individual in question is carrying out a command-and-control function and is properly a military objective.
In the end, even as some raise questions about the executive order, the U.S. Supreme Court is not likely to reverse it. It may even choose not to hear any cases on the issue unless there are some new issues beyond the individual's being a U.S. citizen, as the matter whether U.S. citizens can be targeted when they serve as enemy combatants is settled law.
Under the Laws of War and the U.S. Constitution, there is no ethical dilemma. Combatants can be targeted as military objectives. That a person is a U.S. citizen does not render him immune from his being a military objective. The individual in question is carrying out a command-and-control function and is properly a military objective.
In the end, even as some raise questions about the executive order, the U.S. Supreme Court is not likely to reverse it. It may even choose not to hear any cases on the issue unless there are some new issues beyond the individual's being a U.S. citizen, as the matter whether U.S. citizens can be targeted when they serve as enemy combatants is settled law.
Under the Laws of War and the U.S. Constitution,
Amendment V - Trial and Punishment, Compensation for Takings.
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights.
1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Section 3 - Treason Note
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
Oh, how rich.
Team Obi finds water boarding repulsive, but assassination acceptable.
Nice little ethical box Obi and his trons have to play with.
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Sometimes you can reach too far for something that isnt there. There is nothing unethical about taking out a terrorist...regardless of his country of birth.
There's nothing unethical about the U.S. government executing a U.S. citizen without due process? RU you freaking kidding me???!!!
I have the belief that if an American leaves US soil and sides with the enemy against the US then he is no longer a US citizen . Therefore he is free game just as much as Osama Bin Laden or any other terrorist is.
if it were a conservative president doing it would you be equally 'outraged'?
"conservative" says it all.Oh, how rich.
Team Obi finds water boarding repulsive, but assassination acceptable.
Nice little ethical box Obi and his trons have to play with.
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if we had a conservative president his or her policy would be coherent, it would hang together and make sense
it wouldn't be ad libbed, fly by night, impromptu, half baked and amateurish
it would be adult, responsible
THIS gullible group, in contrast, when it comes to iran has NO policy
concerning the cartels, SQUAT
chinese currency, sanctions, korea, palestinian peace---we are leaderless
syria is now sidling up to the ex soviets
UPDATE 1-Russia says eyes atomic energy cooperation with Syria | Reuters
dc's answer---silence
we're spiraling into chaos, the falcon cannot hear the dumbfounded falconer
I have no problem with it.
My point is, waterboarding isn't torture but the left saw it as the equal of Mengele's behavior. We have that history, and now we have a targeted assassination of an American citizen abroad and it is ignored by the same individuals.
Just look at the outrage by the leftists in this thread... LOL.
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The conservatives favor torture and the liberals do not....
not when that citizen is in a foreign country advocating the violent overthrow of the US.
Ask yourself a simple question...if it were a conservative president doing it wouod you be equally 'outraged'? I somehow doubt it.
I have the belief that if an American leaves US soil and sides with the enemy against the US then he is no longer a US citizen . Therefore he is free game just as much as Osama Bin Laden or any other terrorist is.
So being in a foreign country dictates that the citizen is no longer entitled to due process? I can understand if the guy gets shot during a firefight or blown up in an attack on an AQ or Taliban base camp, but to go out and target specific individual U.S. citizens for assassination is quite another story.
I'm an anarchist not a conservative.
not when that citizen is in a foreign country advocating the violent overthrow of the US.
Ask yourself a simple question...if it were a conservative president doing it wouod you be equally 'outraged'? I somehow doubt it.
Auuuyup...Id say thats the point where I side with the Obama administration...
Assassination is acceptable in the time of war, if I am not mistaken.
However waterboarding is torture via the International law by the UN.
Hell even a Conservative Talk show host said it was Torture. He lasted about six seconds which he stated he could last a lot longer.Mancow Waterboarded, Now Agrees It's Torture (Video)
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