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U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

ludahai said:
If the United States signs and ratifies a treaty, it is legally obligated to abide by that treaty. This is a basic tenant of international law. The U.S. insists other states abide by this treaty, it should as well.
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See Medellín v. Texas
 
I found this-- not too long..

Medellin v. Texas

Medellin v. Texas

This is the second time this matter has reached the Supreme Court. Medellin, a citizen of Mexico, was convicted of capital murder in Texas state court and sentenced to death. Medellin filed a petition for a writ of habeas corpus arguing that the state violated his rights as a foreign national to consular access under the Vienna Convention. His petition was denied in the lower courts, despite a ruling by the International Court of Justice that Medellin and others were entitled to review of their convictions based on violations of the Vienna Convention. While Medellin's case was pending in the United States Supreme Court, the Bush administration filed a brief urging the Court to rule that Medellin had no private right to seek enforcement of the Convention, but also announced that the U.S. Government would comply with the World Court decision and directed state courts to reexamine the claims of Medellin and other Mexican nationals. Accordingly, Medellin filed a new state habeas petition and asked the Supreme Court to stay its consideration of the case pending state review. The Supreme Court in a 5-4 decision dismissed Medellin’s petition and allow the state habeas case to go forward. Medellin v. Dretke.
The Texas Court of Criminal Appeals denied Medellin's habeas petition because Medellin had not raised the issue at his trial, as required by Texas law. It held that the International Court of Justice decision was not binding federal law and, thus, did not preempt the state procedural rule requiring petitioners to raise issues at trial, and furthermore, that under the separation of powers doctrine, President Bush had no authority to order the state to reconsider Medellin's conviction.
 
Screw the UN, they're pieces of **** anyway. no one should have to abide by their jokes of "international laws".

execute him.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
Screw the UN, they're pieces of **** anyway. no one should have to abide by their jokes of "international laws".

execute him.
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Then China and other nations can say "Screw the US, let's execute the American without due process", and of course, the American is then denied his rights. It's a slippery slope. What's next? No more international treaties against genocide? No more international treaties against dictators who commit mass murder against their own people? When it comes to international treaties, you cannot pick and choose, out of convenience, which ones to obey. When you break just one, you might as well just break them all, because the rule of law then no longer matters.
 
What do we call people who give their word and then don't honor it?
 
justabubba said:
indian giver


what do i win?
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I think that is when you give something and take it back. Breaking your word is something different. But the winner gets one internet cup of coffee. :coffeepap
 

And then people wonder why nobody likes Texans. Y'all are like the American Taliban. See what I did there?

 
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When I said apologize, I meant have some under secretary in the state dept fire off a gratuitous Blah Blah letter to the Mexican Consulate.
 
ludahai said:
If the United States signs and ratifies a treaty, it is legally obligated to abide by that treaty. This is a basic tenant of international law. The U.S. insists other states abide by this treaty, it should as well.
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Did the convicted man ask? Can he prove it? What about his lawyer? Did he ask? If he did ask or told his lawyer he did, why didn't his lawyer go public with the request when it wasn't filled?
 
I say don't execute him, keep him alive. At least for some bands like Rage, and or, Santana to take up his cause, distort the case, and make some decent music again.


j-mac
 
So of all the murders that Mexican citizens will commit within mexicos borders today, whether it be petty criminals in mexico city, right up to gang runners in the north, does Mexico seriously have nothing better to do, then worry about this one guy?

I mean, it's up to a countries government to protect their citizens sure, but if the guys guilty of rape and murder... With all of mexicos problems, the government should really back down on this one.
 
Hatuey said:
And then people wonder why nobody likes Texans. Y'all are like the American Taliban. See what I did there?
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Texans cut off people's heads with machetes and use suicide bombers to murder people?
 
jamesrage said:
Texans cut off people's heads with machetes and use suicide bombers to murder people?
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No, Texans are like blood thirsty monkeys who will execute anybody simply on emotion..... and they smell bad. :shrug:
 
blah blah blah CONVICTED OF RAPING AND KILLING A 16 YEAR OLD blah blah blah.

Throw the switch.
 
ExCUSE me??? I'm from Texas. We are tough on crime. Want to rape and murder?? Don't do it in Texas. Don't like the laws? Change them, then, if you can. The "blood thirsty monkeys" in Texas will kill you if you kill our children. Best to pass through CA, with cheers, don't do it in TX. I live in AZ now, and we don't like rapists or murderers or drug and human smugglers from foreign countries, either. Don't want to pay the price, pass right on through and find some really liberal place to rape and murder.
 

See what I mean? Chimps with computers for the most part. To suggest that their medieval ways are wrong is blasphemy to these 10th century Armenians.
 
Gotta love this. An admitted liberal that thinks killing people that kill other people is medieval, wrong, and people that support it are computer chimps. Wonder how you would feel if YOUR child was murdered by an illegal... or anyone else. I'm also betting you do not live in a border state..
 
jamesrage said:
Texans cut off people's heads with machetes and use suicide bombers to murder people?
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Hey, and we blow up schools full of school girls and beat women in the streets. :roll::roll:
 
Moderator's Warning:
Hatuey is now thread banned.
 
Hatuey said:
No, Texans are like blood thirsty monkeys who will execute anybody simply on emotion..... and they smell bad. :shrug:
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That's not necessarily true. Look, I totally agree that the Mexican Consulate should have been contacted, but this guy is a rapist and murderer. If he is executed, I won't lose any sleep over it. I only believe that we should do it right next time, for the sake of American citizens overseas. As for smelling bad, you got me dead to rights on that one. LOL.

Excuse me for a minute, while I go get a banana. :mrgreen:
 
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