Two-thirds would struggle to cover $1,000 emergency...

[legalimmigrant]

Some do; some don't.

But like it or not, bipartisan compromise is the only way the federal government can work.

Bipartisan compromise:

Today, I will vote for your budget busting, feel-good crap to help you get re-elected, and, next week, you will vote for my budget busting, feel-good crap to help me get -re-elected.

Did I get it wrong, or am I too cynical?

 

[DifferentDrummr]

Bipartisan compromise:

Today, I will vote for your budget busting, feel-good crap to help you get re-elected, and, next week, you will vote for my budget busting, feel-good crap to help me get -re-elected.

Did I get it wrong, or am I too cynical?

That's partially right, but unfortunately it still beats the alternative.

 

[Frank Apisa]

That's partially right, but unfortunately it still beats the alternative.

For some people...particularly for people who identify as "very conservative"...the notion "let's work together" is about as understandable as quantum mechanics.

As for teaching them the concept...I'd sooner attempt to teach quantum mechanics to a badger.

 

[DifferentDrummr]

For some people...particularly for people who identify as "very conservative"...the notion "let's work together" is about as understandable as quantum mechanics.

As for teaching them the concept...I'd sooner attempt to teach quantum mechanics to a badger.

Don't give up hope, Frank. Plenty of liberals are former conservatives!

 

[cpwill]

How could any payroll tax affect everyone? Not everyone is on a payroll.


Don't be absurd. It can't be a simple matter of semantics when different entities pay the tax. :doh

Income earners pay both taxes.

First you said everyone, then I quoted you Sanders saying everyone. Then you claimed you meant income earners, and I showed you invite earners. Now you are claiming that you meant to include non-income earners. Make up your mind.

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[Southern Dad]

Bipartisan compromise:

Today, I will vote for your budget busting, feel-good crap to help you get re-elected, and, next week, you will vote for my budget busting, feel-good crap to help me get -re-elected.

Did I get it wrong, or am I too cynical?

It used to be that bills generally had cosponsors from both parties. They worked out deals not just on increased spending but on cuts. Of course, that was before one party shoved a 2700+ page healthcare insurance bill up our butts without a single Republican on board.

 

[Frank Apisa]

It used to be that bills generally had cosponsors from both parties. They worked out deals not just on increased spending but on cuts. Of course, that was before one party shoved a 2700+ page healthcare insurance bill up our butts without a single Republican on board.

Apparently one party knows how to get things done.

The other can't even find its own butt to find out what has been shoved up it.

 

[Southern Dad]

Apparently one party knows how to get things done.

The other can't even find its own butt to find out what has been shoved up it.

The voters rewarded them with a shellacking (to use the President's words) at the polls, not once but twice, costing them control of the House and later the Senate. Good job!

 

[DifferentDrummr]

Income earners pay both taxes.

First you said everyone, then I quoted you Sanders saying everyone. Then you claimed you meant income earners, and I showed you invite earners. Now you are claiming that you meant to include non-income earners. Make up your mind.

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I did make up my mind. You're the one playing three-card monte with terminology.

Nor am I interested in how, ultimately and indirectly, income earners "pay for everything." So - - just to be clear now - - I don't know of anyone (myself, Sanders, whoever) who believes that the current income tax rates must be raised for every taxpayer. Hope that clears it up.

 

[Frank Apisa]

The voters rewarded them with a shellacking (to use the President's words) at the polls, not once but twice, costing them control of the House and later the Senate. Good job!

Great.

And they still got nothing done.

Like I said...one party seems to know how to get things done.

The other cannot find its butt.

 

[Southern Dad]

Great.

And they still got nothing done.

Like I said...one party seems to know how to get things done.

The other cannot find its butt.

Yes, I saw your partisan comment that I personally look at as ignorance but to each his or her own.

 

[cpwill]

I did make up my mind. You're the one playing three-card monte with terminology.

You changed standards twice, and I met you each time.

You said liberals don't want to raise taxes on everyone, just the top 1% or 0.1%. I cited you Bernie Sanders saying he wants to raise taxes on everyone. By which he means all income earners. You then pretended that first you did and then you didn't mean income earners.

Nor am I interested in how, ultimately and indirectly, income earners "pay for everything." So - - just to be clear now - - I don't know of anyone (myself, Sanders, whoever) who believes that the current income tax rates must be raised for every taxpayer. Hope that clears it up.

Then you are incorrect, as Bernie Sanders wants to raise taxes on those individuals, particularly the payroll tax, which is a tax on income.

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[DifferentDrummr]

You changed standards twice, and I met you each time.

You said liberals don't want to raise taxes on everyone, just the top 1% or 0.1%. I cited you Bernie Sanders saying he wants to raise taxes on everyone. By which he means all income earners. You then pretended that first you did and then you didn't mean income earners.



Then you are incorrect, as Bernie Sanders wants to raise taxes on those individuals, particularly the payroll tax, which is a tax on income.

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You first admitted that income taxes and payroll taxes were not the same, and now you're denying it. You were correct the first time.

 

[cpwill]

You first admitted that income taxes and payroll taxes were not the same, and now you're denying it. You were correct the first time.

Not at all - I have consistently argued that A) Payroll taxes are an income tax and B) Sanders wants to raise them on everyone. Which he does, contrary to your position.

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[legalimmigrant]

For some people...particularly for people who identify as "very conservative"...the notion "let's work together" is about as understandable as quantum mechanics.

As for teaching them the concept...I'd sooner attempt to teach quantum mechanics to a badger.

"Let's work together" is a fantasy because the spineless RINO's always capitulate and the communists have their way.

Just as they did recently by funding the Obongo's favorites like ACA, amnesty, and the refugees.

How do you scare the gutless quivering RINO's into compliance? By dangling in front of them the fear of shutting the government down if they pass a bill the King will veto.

It's never the King that will shut down the government down by a veto. It's the bill authors.

Last time I had spaghetti, those noodles had more spine than your typical RINO. Always scared. Always trembling.

 

[legalimmigrant]

From the Federal Reserve:

Nearly half of Americans would have trouble covering an emergency $400 expense, according to a new survey released Wednesday by the Federal Reserve.

Are Americans mentally ill?

 

[DifferentDrummr]

Not at all - I have consistently argued that A) Payroll taxes are an income tax and B) Sanders wants to raise them on everyone. Which he does, contrary to your position.

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(A) is not factual; it's propaganda. And (B) is ambiguous - as is the case with most politicians.

 

[DifferentDrummr]

From the Federal Reserve:

Nearly half of Americans would have trouble covering an emergency $400 expense, according to a new survey released Wednesday by the Federal Reserve.

Are Americans mentally ill?

No; most of them just have zero financial education.

 

[legalimmigrant]

No; most of them just have zero financial education.

But the Chinese, Japanese, Europeans, and Arabs have?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

From the Federal Reserve:

Nearly half of Americans would have trouble covering an emergency $400 expense, according to a new survey released Wednesday by the Federal Reserve.

Are Americans mentally ill?

That ackward moment when 23 year old college drop out country bumpkin emnofseattle realizes he is in the upper half of society because he just covered a 400 dollar emergency with cash and didn't even feel it....

 

[Thoreau72]

From the Federal Reserve:

Nearly half of Americans would have trouble covering an emergency $400 expense, according to a new survey released Wednesday by the Federal Reserve.

Are Americans mentally ill?

No, but if they watch TV and read the mainstream media they are heavily indoctrinated. And, the "middle class" is quite heavily in debt and quite well crushed by NAFTA and other government economic policies. A significant part of the younger generations are very much in debt for their student loans.

 

[cpwill]

(A) is not factual; it's propaganda.

It's a tax levied against income. People pay it because they earned income. People only pay it because they earned income. The amount they pay is a given portion of their income. It's an income tax because it taxes income.

And (B) is ambiguous - as is the case with most politicians.

No, he was pretty clear, and he was correct. His plan raises taxes on everyone - by which he means the common usage of all income earners.

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[cpwill]

But the Chinese, Japanese, Europeans, and Arabs have?

They didn't have a boomer generation that choose to toss all the hard-learned lessons their parents tried to pass to them.

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[HenryChinaski]

They have the tools. It is their own fault they do not exercise them. They have schooling available to them. Nobody makes them drop out. Nobody makes them get pregnant. Nobody makes them commit crimes, do drugs, join gangs and go to prison. You're just trying to find excuses for why these people act, of their own accord, in life-ruining activities.

It is nobody's fault but their own.

A child is raised in a single parent home in a crime ridden ghetto. Who knows where the father is. No positive role models, no opportunities that are made aware to the child. The mother lacks proper parenting skills. Every other day in class the kid is hearing about so-and-so getting shot dead. That's that kids world. Chances are he's going to grow up and repeat that cycle because he's a product of his environment. When a 5 year old knows only violence and instability it's a near impossibility (but not hopeless) for that kid to grow up and become a productive person.

 

[JasperL]

They didn't have a boomer generation that choose to toss all the hard-learned lessons their parents tried to pass to them.

And probably don't have good free market companies spending nearly $200 billion per year in advertising and marketing in an economy driven by consumption fueled by easy credit.