Two arrested after neighbors try to stop ICE agents from detaining Worcester mother

[Absentglare]

Well that was because they were arresting Jews and others for being Jews and executing them. That's an easy one

I did just now.

I don't hate illegal aliens. They just need to enter legally. I'm also not sure they are being taken to ashwitz and exterminated. If be against that

So you’re fine deporting people to a prison in another country to die as long as they aren’t Jews? Well that would explain a lot.

CECOT is controversial, receiving praise for its detention of alleged gang members and criticism for alleged human rights abuses, including overcrowding, lack of due process, and inhumane conditions. CECOT does not engage in rehabilitation. No prisoner has ever been confirmed to have been released from the facility and authorities have stated in media statements that there are no plans to release any prisoners. Additionally, the imprisonment of deportees from the US is a controversial issue on its own.

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[Absentglare]

You're a guy who cheered on the murder of a CEO, right?

Your decision to desperately escape from the topic demonstrates that a part of you recognizes the weakness of your position.

 

[RF667799]

Your decision to desperately escape from the topic demonstrates that a part of you recognizes the weakness of your position.

I'm commenting on you pretending to demonstrate a principle that you abide by. It's okay. I doubt anyone adheres to their principles 100%.

 

[RF667799]

Oh, sorry, I didn’t realize that it’s not fascism if it happens slowly through careful and measured manipulation of existing law.

So this fascism was going on through other administrations as well.

 

[cpwill]

Good for these brave residents for standing up to these evil, soulless monsters. I would not want only want ICE abolished and all officers fired and blacklisted from all government service in the future, I would want their salaries clawed back by the subsequent administration for violating their oaths to uphold the Constitution.

At the same time, we know that immigrants have come here and committed awful crimes.

Clearly every immigrant is to blame for this, and they should be treated as criminals as a group. Probably their children to.

Because that's how Justice works. We blame groups for the actions of individuals.

 

[Absentglare]

I'm commenting on you pretending to demonstrate a principle that you abide by. It's okay. I doubt anyone adheres to their principles 100%.

So you either agree that the right thing to do when the Gestapo came for Anne Frank was to obstruct them, or you don’t. Do you want to share with us what you think on that topic?

So this fascism was going on through other administrations as well.

You could read up on the Weimar Republic.

 

[RF667799]

So you either agree that the right thing to do when the Gestapo came for Anne Frank was to obstruct them, or you don’t. Do you want to share with us what you think on that topic?

Sure. What would your decision be if you had your own family to look out for? Obstruct the Gestapo and end up with your own family in a prison camp? Heroism is easy with your ass planted in a recliner.

You could read up on the Weimar Republic.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Oh, sorry, I didn’t realize that it’s not fascism if it happens slowly through careful and measured manipulation of existing law.

It is a crisp autumn evening. Absentglare is taking a stroll through a sketchy part of town. As he ponders the moral failings of people he doesn't like, he happens to cross paths with a police officer walking his beat. As he prepares to call the officer a Nazi, the attention of both men are drawn to the dark alley behind them. A woman is screaming, calling for help. Clearly visible just a few yards into the alleyway, a man is on top of the shrieking woman. She sees Absentglare and the officer as their eyes adjust to the dark and she cries out, "he's raping me!" As Absentglare mulls the myriad societal faults that led the rapist down this terible path, the officer springs into action. He pulls the rapist off the beaten and bloody woman, slapping handcuffs onto the rapist as he does so. "You're under arrest," the officer gruffly says, as he leads the man out of the alley to await the coming transport vehicle. Absentglare overhears this exchange, and queries the officer, "do you have a warrant for this gentleman's arrest?" THe officer curtly replies, "this is a probable cause arrest; I don't need a warrant."

Absentglare:

 

[Absentglare]

Sure. What would your decision be if you had your own family to look out for? Obstruct the Gestapo and end up with your own family in a prison camp? Heroism is easy with your ass planted in a recliner.

Yup, that’s how fascism takes hold, denial by those who openly comply, fear and self-preservation by the rest.

 

[Chomsky]

They are no more armed than any other law enforcement agency, they aren't SEEEEECRET, and they are arresting aliens as they've been doing for years and years and years.

Sure. What would your decision be if you had your own family to look out for? Obstruct the Gestapo and end up with your own family in a prison camp? Heroism is easy with your ass planted in a recliner.

Good you shouldn't obstruct police.

The government is not getting warrants. It is not applying Due Process. It is removing Habeus Corpus. It is operating in Contempt of the Courts.

In short, it is acting extra-Constitutionally.

There's a right way and a wrong way for government to do its lawful & required task, gentlemen. This is not the right way. Constitution first.

 

[uptower]

Looks like a bunch of idiots believing the hype from the left.....boils down to wanting or not wanting law and order. Clearly the left does not want law and order, for their words are bs and their actions speak loudly.

The "law and order" and "back the blue" crowd lost all credibility with its support of the Jan 6 riots.

The "law" for them is just a code word for oppressing minorities. Tossed aside when its inconvenient to their own political aims.

 

[j brown's body]

MAGA doesn't understand that personal relationships among people supercede the law. They are dehumanizers. They have been dehumanizing immigrants for decades. Their hatred of them, seen through their approval of the sadistic treatment of them, is a testament to that.

 

[CLAX1911]

So you’re fine deporting people to a prison in another country to die as long as they aren’t Jews? Well that would explain a lot.

Only if they're gangsters in the MS-13 which means they're murderers.

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[OlNate]

Again that you struggle with understand that me posting on this site for entertainment doesn’t mean I care about your opinion.
But thank you for proving my point about your struggles grasping concepts.

Bud, you need some new tactics, that shit is played out. Like, for real, this was from the maga debate playbook 1.0, they're up to 6.0 now. I'm surprised you haven't called me a sheeple yet... lol

Now, give me another pointless reply to show everyone how much you don't care, and make it snappy.

 

[Absentglare]

Only if they're gangsters in the MS-13 which means they're murderers.

And how do we establish that someone is a murderous gangster who deserves to die in prison?

 

[CLAX1911]

And how do we establish that someone is a murderous gangster who deserves to die in prison?

For someone were going to try and convict in the US like a citizen they we go through a trial. If they're illegal aliens they should be just be deported.

 

[Felis Leo]

So you're dredging up our exchange about the internment of the Japanese right after Pearl Harbor?
And using your conclusion on that discussion to suggest I am a racist.
I've never accused anyone of presentism before. But I think, giving your opinion of me and my belief the internment of Japanese was warranted, you are guilty of presentism.
That's like saying it was immoral for us to drop atomic bombs on Japan at the end of the war.

No. I am not accusing you of being racist, jaypatriot. I do not think you are racist. What I am saying is that I do not think you care about Constitutional rights if it does not affect you or those you care about. I am not accusing you of being immoral for believing in something wicked and harmful and acting on those beliefs. If anything, I am accusing you of having no morality, good or bad. Therefore, I do not think gathering evidence of people's rights being violated would move you, because if they are not people you know and care about, well, you would not in principle care about them, because you do not actually have any foundational principles related to liberty or justice you cleave to on a universal basis.

If I am wrong, I will retract. But since you crow and laugh about a man being sent to a foreign prison with no criminal charges, you would have to work pretty hard to change my impression of your worldview.

In literary and historical analysis, presentism is a term for the introduction of present-day ideas and perspectives into depictions or interpretations of the past. Some modern historians seek to avoid presentism in their work because they consider it a form of cultural bias, and believe it creates a distorted understanding of their subject matter.[1] The practice of presentism is regarded by some as a common fallacy when writing about the past.

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You see, I call that moral cowardice, jaypatriot. It is not a matter of judging those people back then and saying "Yeah, they were wrong and I totally would have stood against them if I lived back then." It is about recognizing historical wrongs and saying that I would not want them repeated.

I can say that owning human beings and being able to rape them and then sell the resulting children like you would a litter of puppies is wrong, even though more than a couple of our founding fathers did that. I can say that interning hundreds of thousands of innocent people who did nothing wrong other than belong to the wrong ethnic group at the time a war started is wrong. I can say that child brides married against their personal will to wealthy older men is wrong. All of that was done in our country. All of it is disgusting. None of it should be brought back. I do not think the people who did it back then were necessarily evil...they were products of their time. I am saying that those actions and institutions were terrible and it was good that we did away with them and tried to make amends for them.

 

[Felis Leo]

I do know a few ICE agents. They're regular people enforcing regular laws that have been on the books for decades. THey're not bad people just because you don't like the laws they enforce or the authorities they are given.

Oh, so they were just regular, ordinary people? With wives, and kids, and hobbies, and a mortgage? And not slavering demons with horns and bat wings as you perhaps think I believe them to be? Well, I feel assured. If there is one thing my reading of history and learning about the atrocities of Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, Imperial Japan and the Balkans and the Rwandan Genocide has taught me, it is that normal, everyday, ordinary men and women do not commit atrocities. That people who do commit atrocities are clearly evil from the moment they are born, have no one they love or who loves them back, no interests beyond causing pain and suffering, and that you can tell from a mile away that they are a monster and not a friendly next door neighbor who you would otherwise want to share a beer with.

And you are right. The AEA and the suspension of due process is completely normal, and has never been abused to harm the rights of innocent people, and those who enforced them were always decent men. I will try to defer to your libertarian expertise on the matter in the future.

 

[jaypatriot]

No. I am not accusing you of being racist, jaypatriot. I do not think you are racist. What I am saying is that I do not think you care about Constitutional rights if it does not affect you or those you care about. I am not accusing you of being immoral for believing in something wicked and harmful and acting on those beliefs. If anything, I am accusing you of having no morality, good or bad. Therefore, I do not think gathering evidence of people's rights being violated would move you, because if they are not people you know and care about, well, you would not in principle care about them, because you do not actually have any foundational principles related to liberty or justice you cleave to on a universal basis.

If I am wrong, I will retract. But since you crow and laugh about a man being sent to a foreign prison with no criminal charges, you would have to work pretty hard to change my impression of your worldview.



You see, I call that moral cowardice, jaypatriot. It is not a matter of judging those people back then and saying "Yeah, they were wrong and I totally would have stood against them if I lived back then." It is about recognizing historical wrongs and saying that I would not want them repeated.

I can say that owning human beings and being able to rape them and then sell the resulting children like you would a litter of puppies is wrong, even though more than a couple of our founding fathers did that. I can say that interning hundreds of thousands of innocent people who did nothing wrong other than belong to the wrong ethnic group at the time a war started is wrong. I can say that child brides married against their personal will to wealthy older men is wrong. All of that was done in our country. All of it is disgusting. None of it should be brought back. I do not think the people who did it back then were necessarily evil...they were products of their time. I am saying that those actions and institutions were terrible and it was good that we did away with them and tried to make amends for them.

You can be thankful you won't be thrust back into the early 1800s in Virginia or on the West Coast following the attack on Pearl Harbor. You'd probably try to convince slave owners they were in wrong in Virginia and if on the West Coast in early 1942 you'd be appalled at the xenophobia shown by Americans to Japanese Americans about to be taken away for national security reasons.
Wait till you start reading about Trump's efforts to suspend habeas corpus so he can easily get rid of millions of illegal migrants without the burden of due process.
Your head will really explode.
Stay on your moral high horse. Someone has to be up there supporting Constitutional rights for illegal aliens who shouldn't be in this country in the first place. They're here because idiot Biden and stupid Mayorkas did not give a shit about enforcing federal laws to keep them out.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Oh, so they were just regular, ordinary people? With wives, and kids, and hobbies, and a mortgage? And not slavering demons with horns and bat wings as you perhaps think I believe them to be? Well, I feel assured. If there is one thing my reading of history and learning about the atrocities of Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, Imperial Japan and the Balkans and the Rwandan Genocide has taught me, it is that normal, everyday, ordinary men and women do not commit atrocities. That people who do commit atrocities are clearly evil from the moment they are born, have no one they love or who loves them back, no interests beyond causing pain and suffering, and that you can tell from a mile away that they are a monster and not a friendly next door neighbor who you would otherwise want to share a beer with.

And you are right. The AEA and the suspension of due process is completely normal, and has never been abused to harm the rights of innocent people, and those who enforced them were always decent men. I will try to defer to your libertarian expertise on the matter in the future.

Normal people doing normal jobs that have been utterly unremarkable and on the books for decades. WHen you feel like stepping back from your crimson-faced, spittle-flinging ragefest, let me know.

 

[CLAX1911]

Normal people doing normal jobs that have been utterly unremarkable and on the books for decades. WHen you feel like stepping back from your crimson-faced, spittle-flinging ragefest, let me know.

The worst part about this is it's not because they don't like the ice agents or don't like the job that they do it's that they've been made to believe the ice agents are their enemy. And somehow this makes them in the Nazis.

Essentially it's radicalism. "Anybody that does anything that I don't approve of it's a Nazi" is the exact philosophy that leads to radicalized regimes.

And what it boils down to is kind of the same thing with voter ID essentially the government is deporting the people that folks on the left think they need to win elections.

I don't think it's necessary to have illegals here for Democrats to win elections unless of course Democrats choose to run crazy socialists. That doesn't appeal to Americans but it does have some familiarity to people who fled a socialist state.

So really the brass tacks about it is they are upset because they don't get to overrun the citizens to get their crazy crap pushed through.

I remember when George Bush was president Nancy pelosi was talking about building a wall.

 

[Felis Leo]

Normal people doing normal jobs that have been utterly unremarkable and on the books for decades. WHen you feel like stepping back from your crimson-faced, spittle-flinging ragefest, let me know.

First, the AEA was never “normal”. And, second, no rage, just a clinical assessment. Literally every man sitting in the dock at Nuremberg was a normal, boring person. Normal boring people who, in large part, acted within a legal framework that was laid out for them before the Nazis took power, including the emergency powers Hitler wielded. No one we hanged or imprisoned was a diabolical monster or a psychopath by any indication. Putting aside the atrocities they orchestrated or carried out, they were normal men, who led privileged but otherwise unremarkable lives.

 

[redbeer]

The "law and order" and "back the blue" crowd lost all credibility with its support of the Jan 6 riots.

I don't believe I've heard anyone support the riot on Jan. 6th......but it does make good for a leftist talking point.

The "law" for them is just a code word for oppressing minorities. Tossed aside when its inconvenient to their own political aims.

Pffffft.....lol more imaginings from the cult.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

First, the AEA was never “normal”.

I agree with this.

And, second, no rage, just a clinical assessment.

What are your qualifications to make these "clinical assessments" from afar, with no personal knowledge of the situation or the people involved?

Literally every man sitting in the dock at Nuremberg was a normal, boring person. Normal boring people who, in large part, acted within a legal framework that was laid out for them before the Nazis took power, including the emergency powers Hitler wielded. No one we hanged or imprisoned was a diabolical monster or a psychopath by any indication. Putting aside the atrocities they orchestrated or carried out, they were normal men, who led privileged but otherwise unremarkable lives.

So what? You're off the rails here. You make the accusation that these people are fascist because you don't like the laws they enforce, then when someone responds that these are normal people doing normal jobs enforcing normal laws that have been on the books for many decades, you reply with, effectively, "JUST LIKE THE NAZIS!" But it's also JUST LIKE ALMOST EVERYONE ELSE!

 

[Metric Mouse]

We don't need to abolish ICE. We do need to make sure that it is made to operate properly, within the confines of the law, and with proper oversight, regulation, and checks. They can't just be allowed to run around grabbing people without warrants and the overall process must have due process involved.

AOC has been voted into office.

And I assume you have not.

So let's see whose views are more popular, and gain more support from voters.