Tweet of the Week: AOC’s “student debt”

[Cope]

Student loan debts are sold like the commodities they've become and the terms suck.

No one is bonded by anything regarding who holds their loan. The feds were charging 6% for my student loan back in 94, I got out and called around and got a loan rate of 2.7% , which I promptly took advantage of and subsequently paid off.
For ME, it was a good investment. You cannot make that claim of everyone which is what Greenbeard is holding you to or you'd have to agree that it is a bad investment to invest in people IN THIS MANNER.

 

[danielpalos]

Good lord man. That is what I asked you about three pages ago. Guaranteed basic income just for being alive and lazy.

Not at all. That is just right-wingers making stuff up but wanting to be taken as seriously as the "gospel Truth" instead of just plain false witness bearing practitioners of hypocrisy. Your straw man argument is your own creation.

Solving for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is the objective. Anyone who understands anything about economics would understand what that can mean.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

The problem isn't the debt, its the dumb people who major in things that bring no future wealth. If you want to study basket weaving, you have no need to go to college.

If you do want to go to college and study things that offer no future income, then you damn well should be paying your own debt.

I know more than one out of work chemical engineer and a couple mechanical engineers not doing what it is they went to school for.

You really mean to tell me they couldnt be working on new methods to power our homes and vehicles?

 

[bullseyelqcs]

ANY degree that leaves with a financial burden from loans that you cannot afford to pay.

Currently, I would put teaching degrees in that category unless the State/District you work in allows loan forgiveness.
Teachers are sorely underpaid, but at least they get summers off (kinda)

How many of those diversity 'must haves' do you think their are? How many gender studies slots?
I started out not knowing what the hell so I went double major Math and Physics, ended with Engineering.

STEM jobs pay, I knew that then, I know that now but people want to study things near and dear to them with no hope of ever getting a job utilizing such. Art, art history etc . Not many jobs those degrees will fill.

How many of those STEM jobs are out there, exactly? Only so many, right? Not enough for everyone, you say?

I only ask because the implication that people shouldnt go to school for degrees in anything outside of STEM fields seems odd for someone with your background given the fact that an overabundance of those degrees would make them basically worthless financially.

 

[Cope]

Not at all. That is just right-wingers making stuff up but wanting to be taken as seriously as the "gospel Truth" instead of just plain false witness bearing practitioners of hypocrisy. Your straw man argument is your own creation.

Solving for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is the objective. Anyone who understands anything about economics would understand what that can mean.

So no, you don't want to pay people to sit home indefinitely?
Just say so mister big words that convey nothing of substance.

 

[Cope]

How many of those STEM jobs are out there, exactly? Only so many, right? Not enough for everyone, you say?

I only ask because the implication that people shouldnt go to school for degrees in anything outside of STEM fields seems odd for someone with your background given the fact that an overabundance of those degrees would make them basically worthless financially.

LOTS!
That isn't the implication at all. The implication is that people are free to choose their line of degree, but expecting it to be paid by someone else is the height of naivete.
With that information, people should be seeking jobs that are two fold, giving them some enjoyment and providing them with financial means.

By the time the overabundance comes (and I am not at all worried about that any time soon) I will be long gone and there will be a new line of growth needed.

 

[Cope]

I know more than one out of work chemical engineer and a couple mechanical engineers not doing what it is they went to school for.

You really mean to tell me they couldnt be working on new methods to power our homes and vehicles?

Sure, they could. What does this have to do with them paying for their own school debt?

 

[danielpalos]

So no, you don't want to pay people to sit home indefinitely?
Just say so mister big words that convey nothing of substance.

Only bigoted, fascists allege to care.

 

[Cope]

Only bigoted, fascists allege to care.

You do you my man. I am getting off this merry go round.

 

[tshade]

Oh hell yeah, I think everything should be free. Education, healthcare, transportation, food, clothing, shelter. I mean - we deserve no less! We're entitled! And screw "qualifications;" we're human, ergo we automatically qualify.

"I'm a worthy human being" - Stewart Smalley

"I'm good enough; I'm smart enough; and doggone it, people like me!" Stewart Smalley

You said that, not I

No it shouldn't. Nothing is ever free. You are essentially saying that a segment of the population should have their earnings taken from them because you think it is better spent on the people you have ordained as worthy.

No-------it is beneficial to the nation. Some lawmakers see past their own selfish interests. You make it personal, and that is not how our best leaders look at things.

 

[Cope]

You said that, not I

No-------it is beneficial to the nation. Some lawmakers see past their own selfish interests. You make it personal, and that is not how our best leaders look at things.

No, it really isn't although you could try and prove that statement. If you start with the premise that everyone deserves (is worth) higher education at no cost, that is a rather high bar to try and prove but I am all ears.

If they were all worth it, then (the ones that have them) would have a problem paying off their loans. Now you can go on to the ones who don't have them, YET!

What you are advocating is that someone deems some folks worth it and other folks not worth it. Not really interested in someone else making that call. I'd rather everyone was personally responsible for making their own decision in that regard.

 

[danielpalos]

You do you my man. I am getting off this merry go round.

I took pre-med not pre-judge in school. What part of employment is at the will of either party do you not understand? Or, more likely, right-wingers simply don't care about being Legal to the Laws unless they can practice hypocrisy in border threads upon the less fortunate.

 

[Antiwar]

No one is bonded by anything regarding who holds their loan. The feds were charging 6% for my student loan back in 94 ...

1994 was 27 years ago. Guess what? My parents bought a new house for cheap in 1965 and they supported a family with one income. Tuition and student loan debt has increased significantly.

 

[Greenbeard]

Society should fund higher education instead of financial institutions making predatory loans and colleges raising tuition.

If you think dis-investing in higher education is wise, well ...

Aren't you arguing that we're currently dumping too much money into higher education? I've clearly got the sense from your posts that believe there's currently a mismatch between the value of higher ed and its cost. You said it's "a way to suck wealth out of people." And based on your "overpriced" comment it sounds to me like you'd agree that even shifting all current spending on higher ed to the public sector wouldn't make the current cost of higher ed "worth it" for the nation.

So in what sense are not arguing for some degree of disinvestment in higher education, relative to the amount of money the nation is currently pouring into it?

 

[PeacefulPartier]

No-------it is beneficial to the nation. Some lawmakers see past their own selfish interests. You make it personal, and that is not how our best leaders look at things.

Show me beneficial to our nation in the Constitution.

 

[Cope]

1994 was 27 years ago. Guess what? My parents bought a new house for cheap in 1965 and they supported a family with one income. Tuition and student loan debt has increased significantly.

True, which means that picking the right major is even more critical. AND solidifying who should even go to college in the first place.

 

[Superfly]

she is right------education should be free for those who qualify, just like healthcare

Absolutely, but considering so many on the right demonize higher education, they will never agree to this.

"Ain't nobody gettin' no schoolin' fer free. You'uns don't need it no how."

 

[Cope]

Absolutely, but considering so many on the right demonize higher education, they will never agree to this.

"Ain't nobody gettin' no schoolin' fer free. You'uns don't need it no how."

tshade deigned to not answer so I will ask you the same question:

Who and how do you 'qualify'? Grades, IQ test? I would be on board with this if we could means test the program to basically get close to 85% graduation and become productive (ie... not on any type of government assistance after attending) rate of those who do 'qualify'.

 

[Superfly]

tshade deigned to not answer so I will ask you the same question:

Who and how do you 'qualify'? Grades, IQ test? I would be on board with this if we could means test the program to basically get close to 85% graduation and become productive (ie... not on any type of government assistance after attending) rate of those who do 'qualify'.

I don't consider any kind of threshold necessary. I will never think that there is anything wrong with an educated populace. You wanna go to college? Here you go. Work hard, study, get a degree, get a good job. Slack off, miss assignments, sleep in, don't turn in labs, and you fail and work somewhere flipping burgers when you're 50.

The military had a budget of $690 billion in 2020. Eliminating tuition at all 4 year public colleges and universities entirely would cost around $79 billion. That still leaves over $600 billion for the military.

I think they can manage quite nicely on that, and then we could afford to send people to college who really want to go.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

I don't consider any kind of threshold necessary. I will never think that there is anything wrong with an educated populace. You wanna go to college? Here you go. Work hard, study, get a degree, get a good job. Slack off, miss assignments, sleep in, don't turn in labs, and you fail and work somewhere flipping burgers when you're 50.

The military had a budget of $690 billion in 2020. Eliminating tuition at all 4 year public colleges and universities entirely would cost around $79 billion. That still leaves over $600 billion for the military.

I think they can manage quite nicely on that, and then we could afford to send people to college who really want to go.

You ****ing communist.

F35s are needed aplenty, screw an educated populace.

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[Cope]

You ****ing communist.

F35s are needed aplenty, screw an educated populace.

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I'd go for educated, personally responsible, populace if ya'll could make that fly (like an F-35)

 

[Antiwar]

True, which means that picking the right major is even more critical. AND solidifying who should even go to college in the first place.

You're overflowing with conservative claptrap.

 

[Cope]

You're overflowing with conservative claptrap.

That is fiscal restraint you hear, i don't know what your brain turns it into.

 

[Antiwar]

That is fiscal restraint you hear, i don't know what your brain turns it into.

I heard the usual lame reasons why forgiving student debt is morally objectional.

Fiscal restraint on the DOD budget?

 

[bullseyelqcs]

I'd go for educated, personally responsible, populace if ya'll could make that fly (like an F-35)

Meh....

When such a program has the budget overruns that the F35 has had, I will worry about the personal responsibility aspect of it. In the meantime, an educated populace is worth more to all of us than any warplane.