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Tucker Carlson is a liar thus should resign immediately = FOX should be banned from ever operating again.

Why do you hate the first amendment?

Carlson is a ****ing joke, and Fox News is misnamed, but the first amendment is far more important than that. Our rights are most at risk when it seems most reasonable to violate them.
 
Redress said:
Why do you hate the first amendment?

Carlson is a ****ing joke, and Fox News is misnamed, but the first amendment is far more important than that. Our rights are most at risk when it seems most reasonable to violate them.
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He should be required to have a disclaimer that his show is not news and that it is satirical opinion>
 
While you obviously can't ban a network from operating without setting the first amendment on fire first, the right wing reaction to Tucker, (and Baier, and Murdoch) confirms the oft-made point that Fox's audience wants to be lied to. I don't mean they're merely okay with being lied to. I mean that being lied to is quite evidently a requirement.
 
Razoo said:
That's right ......
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I was looking for Tuicker Carlso on "Breaking News' and nothing was there.

He is exposing the tyranny of this Gestapo government and Schumer is screaming that their narrative about 1-6 is now in shambles.

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Nervous, CHUCKLES?! Chuck Schumer begs Fox News to stop Tucker from releasing more #J6footage

Chuck is trying to interfere with the press. Color us not shocked.
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And clearly, the truth about what happened that day will destroy their narrative.

Go Tucker GO!

Powerful Democrats’ attempts to silence and interfere with journalism from one of the few media outlets they don’t control are frightening to observe. https://t.co/595a3qB54T
— Mollie (@MZHemingway) March 7, 2023
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ClaraD said:
He should be required to have a disclaimer that his show is not news and that it is satirical opinion>
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Still goes too far. To me, the first amendment is sacred. There should be as few regulations on speech and religion as possible(and assembly etc). I will not make exceptions for people or media I dislike.

And something I think people forget: freedoms are not free. In fact, they are quite expensive in their way. People can and will use those freedoms in ways that I and every one else will find reprehensible. I just personally feel that personal freedoms are worth that cost.
 
Razoo said:
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My question is wwill thus video cause Fox and Carlson to be involved in other lawsuits from the families of the policemen injured on that day and others I mean, the DOJ can put together the "real" scenes that Carlson seems to depict on his show and those might show something ehtirely different from is comentary.
 
ClaraD said:
He should be required to have a disclaimer that his show is not news and that it is satirical opinion>
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Every talking head commentary shown should have that disclaimer.
 
ClaraD said:
Commentary yes, especially if they are twisting stuff.....that said, how many testified that no one with a brain would believe the stuff that they put out?
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I would also approve of a disclaimer telling people think for yourself and don’t believe a word about what you want to hear.

There is a lot of market research going into those news commentary shows to pump out the bias confirmation some people crave.
 
Artymoon said:
Or, you could just change the channel.
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Tell the same thing to the right who keeps criticizing CNN and MSNBC, yet they always seem to know what is being said in those channels.
 
Redress said:
Still goes too far. To me, the first amendment is sacred. There should be as few regulations on speech and religion as possible(and assembly etc). I will not make exceptions for people or media I dislike.

And something I think people forget: freedoms are not free. In fact, they are quite expensive in their way. People can and will use those freedoms in ways that I and every one else will find reprehensible. I just personally feel that personal freedoms are worth that cost.
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SWo, ummmm, lemme get this straight. He posts a video of the "shaman" being walked around, doing nothing much, guards giving him a tour, him tanking the guards and he gets 4 years??? More than murderers in Chicago?

There need to be congressional hearings on this and all of the attorneys and prosecutors called in. there is a law against withholding evidence. They need the jail time.....not him.
 
Paradoxical said:
SWo, ummmm, lemme get this straight. He posts a video of the "shaman" being walked around, doing nothing much, guards giving him a tour, him tanking the guards and he gets 4 years??? More than murderers in Chicago?

There need to be congressional hearings on this and all of the attorneys and prosecutors called in. there is a law against withholding evidence. They need the jail time.....not him.
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I know this is complicated, but what does your spin on this "shaman" and his criminal case have to do in any possible ****ing way what I said?
 
Well Fox has already identified Tucker as an entertainer, not a journalist as a means to mitigate potential lawsuits against them for libel or defamation.

The internal Fox communications between Fox hosts, Fox execs and even Fox "reporters" from the discovery phase of the Dominion Defamation Lawsuit undeniably shows that its not just Tucker. Its the entire Fox organization. Swimming against their tide gets you demoted or fired for one thing. They actively sought ratings and were determined to stave off ratings losses to other right wing information outlets which is what by their own admission poisoned their well at least if they wanted to actually maintain themselves as members of the 4th estate.

As such, the entirety of Fox News is an entertainment media organization at best. It IS NOT a member of the 4th estate and therefore should not enjoy the rights and privileges of a member of the 4th estate. They should no longer be dispatched Press Credentials for example and should lose those that they have now.

Murdoch is in a lot of hot water financially. He faces $1.6B in damages and that does not include the potential for punitive damages. If Dominion is granted Summary Judgement I can just about assure the audience that when they get to the penalty phase, they will also be awarded punitive damages which could be astronomical in this case. Even if the case goes to trial and Fox losses they will likely face punitive damages.

My recommendation to Murdoch would be that he reduce the chances of future litigation for libel and defamation by declaring his entire Fox enterprise an entertainment media enterprise, not a journalistic enterprise. He can keep The Post and WSJ as journalistic enterprises. IMO, Murdoch would not lose a single viewer nor a single ratings point if he simply threw in the towel and declared Fox an entertainment enterprise in its entirety.
 
Redress said:
I know this is complicated, but what does your spin on this "shaman" and his criminal case have to do in any possible ****ing way what I said?
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Tucker Carlson exposed all of the Democrats, all of whom should be in jail now.
 
donhughesmusic said:
Tell the same thing to the right who keeps criticizing CNN and MSNBC, yet they always seem to know what is being said in those channels.
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I don't think there is anything wrong with criticizing Fox, CNN or anyone else. But calling for their removal or the network's because it's not what someone wants to hear would be funny if it wasn't scary. It's pretty much all opinion at this point and if one doesn't like it, just turn the dial. No reason to raise the BP.
 
The problem with the 1st Amendment is not that it protects peoples 'political' lies, it's that it provides for no accountability when the lies are deliberately designed to benefit the one delivering them at the cost of those that are fooled, and those that are subsequently harmed. If we were talking about financial stuff such as lying about an investment etc, then the person lying would be charged with fraud. Yet we don't hold people to the same standard when it comes to the even more important political aspect of our lives. Imagine how much better politics would be if people could be held accountable for deliberately misleading/lying to cause harm.
 
Razoo said:
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Ban all dissenting voices, burn their books, destroy their art, etc.

It's the time-honored autocratic way.
 
Lutherf said:
Right. The Constitution is simply outdated toilet paper! Unless and until we install a proper Soviet style government we can never be free!
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The Constitution has nothing to do with Fox News behavior. Not even a nice try. Dominion is not only going to burn about 10" off Murdoch's tail feathers but ripe the scab off the entire Fox operation as well as significant aspects of the Right generally and the GOP specifically.

Just wait for the follow on lawsuits after Dominion is over. If there is any money left, the other lawsuits will suck that up and bankrupt Fox.
 
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