Trust God and call it a day? I saw that bumper sticker this morning. I think it's stupid. How about trust yourself instead?

[Sweden]

This Is What Happens When You Hit Your Kids​

Hitting children teaches them that "might makes right."​

Parents are physically bigger and stronger than children. They also know more than children and, because their brains are fully developed, they are capable of greater self-control. When a parent tries to get children to behave better by hitting them, that parent is telling them that hitting people who are smaller and weaker than you is an acceptable way of getting what you want from them. Why should it surprise that parent when their children beat up smaller children at school or grow up to be wife beaters?

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Hitting your children may stop their bad behavior but will damage them and your relationship in the long run.​

People who believe "sparing the rod spoils the child" typically dismiss the enormous body of research showing that hitting children turns them into angry, resentful adults with psychological and emotional problems.


A large meta-analysis of studies on the effects of punishment found that the more physical punishment children receive, the more defiant they are toward parents and authorities, the poorer their relationships with parents, the more likely they are to report hitting a dating partner or spouse. They are also more likely to suffer mental health problems, such as anxiety, depression, and substance abuse problems, and less likely to empathize with others or internalize norms of moral behavior.


A rational person changes his or her beliefs when reality turns out to contradict those beliefs.

The data show that punishment must be age-appropriate, and must be used when appropriate. Mild spanks may be acceptable for children aged 2-6, older children should be disciplined in nonviolent ways, and parents with anger issues or abusive tendencies should avoid physical discipline entirely. According to national statistics, nearly 125,000 children were victims of physical abuse serious enough to warrant medical care in 2012, and 42% of those victims were under the age of 6.


Even when using physical punishment on a young child, you must be sure punishment is really called for in the circumstances. I once saw a father and young son (about age 5) bicycling along a busy road, the father following the son. The father was beside himself with rage because his son simply would not keep his mind on the road. Everything seemed to distract him. The father finally lost it, pulled his son off his bicycle, and swatted him hard on the bottom. "What you're doing is dangerous", he yelled, "You could be killed! You have to pay attention!" What the father failed to understand is that his young son was not capable of ignoring all of those distractions. His son was getting punished for failing to do something he was incapable of doing. A child that age is more capable of following someone on a bicycle than leading. The reason for this is biological: Self-control and focus is the function of the brain's frontal lobes, and the frontal lobes are not fully developed or fully connected to the rest of the brain until early adulthood.

A question of degree. A slap on the wrist to discourage a 5 year old from doing something dangerous is quite Ok.

 

[Logician Man]

A question of degree. A slap on the wrist to discourage a 5 year old from doing something dangerous is quite Ok.

Revelation said:
your great solution for classroom discipline is what?

get the biggest guy in the school with strong arm and lay into offenders, would be my solution.

 

[nota bene]

Ok, so you can't even bring yourself to say beliefs are not facts. Thank you.

I did use the word "differ."

I didn't think this was necessary. Why? Because every composition and rhetoric textbook used in a (college) freshman English class addresses these differences; understanding them is essential logical argumentation.


I did a little Google for you so that you can see for yourself how commonly the differences are discussed and by who:

facts vs opinions vs beliefs at DuckDuckGo

DuckDuckGo. Privacy, Simplified.

duckduckgo.com

 

[bongsaway]

Let people believe what they want. Is it hurting you that they have a bumper sticker?

If these folks can get on here and tell me as an atheist I need help to discover their god, I have every right to post there are not gods as often as they try to save me.

 

[bongsaway]

I did use the word "differ."

I didn't think this was necessary. Why? Because every composition and rhetoric textbook used in a (college) freshman English class addresses these differences; understanding them is essential logical argumentation.


I did a little Google for you so that you can see for yourself how commonly the differences are discussed and by who:

facts vs opinions vs beliefs at DuckDuckGo

DuckDuckGo. Privacy, Simplified.

duckduckgo.com

What was I supposed to gain from reading your link? What I got out of it, beliefs are not facts. I read two of the articles and neither mentioned god.

So to sum things up, you still have not said beliefs are indeed not facts. Differ. Is that like alternative facts?

 

[tosca1]

How sweet and cozy. I never asked god for help and I'm 76 years old and happy.

Speaking of looking back through the years - I found myself doing that after my last post to you.

You know, there is also a "ripple" effect in God helping us.

I can't help but think of the time when I almost got raped (in my 20's then, when I was a progressive and astray).
God intervened. I was able to talk the would-be rapist out of it.
Now I'm thinking.........yes, God did help me. He gave me the right words to talk him out of it.

But you know, it may not have been all about me.
It's also very possible, God had helped the man from committing a crime.
Helped both our families from feelings of anguish and pain.


My point;
you also could've been helped by GOD - INDIRECTLY - when He helped someone else.


Also - you personally might not have prayed to GOD.......................but....................... someone else could've prayed for you.

 

[tosca1]

How sweet and cozy. I never asked god for help and I'm 76 years old and happy.

Plenty of atheist and agnostics make it through life without the help of some imaginary god.

Oops, it must be that time for you, drop down to your knees and plead with god for a good day.

Don't knock down the power of prayers.
You have no clue with regards to Christianity.


You may not have uttered a single prayer in your life, but someone could have been praying for you.


Btw, I can't help but think about that former atheist who excitedly gave his testimony to us right in the parking lot.
His mother had been praying for him to become a Christian, but he wouldn't.
Until that fateful day when he's got to pay a loan. He was desperate.
He prayed to GOD while driving home!
When he got home, he got mail.....and among them is a cheque from an insurance - exact amount, to the penny (of the loan he had to pay).
Needless to say................son became a Christian!
Mom died happy in knowing his son is now saved.



Which prayer did GOD answer to?
Mom or son?


Why do you think we pray for others?

 

[Sweden]

Speaking of looking back through the years - I found myself doing that after my last post to you.

You know, there is also a "ripple" effect in God helping us.

I can't help but think of the time when I almost got raped (in my 20's then, when I was a progressive and astray).
God intervened. I was able to talk the would-be rapist out of it.
Now I'm thinking.........yes, God did help me. He gave me the right words to talk him out of it.

But you know, it may not have been all about me.
It's also very possible, God had helped the man from committing a crime.
Helped both our families from feelings of anguish and pain.


My point;
you also could've been helped by GOD - INDIRECTLY - when He helped someone else.


Also - you personally might not have prayed to GOD.......................but....................... someone else could've prayed for you.

Self delusion can be comforting, I'm sure. So good luck to you.

 

[holbritter]

If these folks can get on here and tell me as an atheist I need help to discover their god, I have every right to post there are not gods as often as they try to save me.

Agreed. But you're talking about a bumper sticker, per your OP. A bumper sticker is hurting no one. Why does anyone feel the need to insult people for their beliefs over a bumper sticker?

Live and let live.

 

[holbritter]

Really? I'm an ex tobacco smoker and if others choose to smoke, that's ok with me.

Then it shouldn't bother you as an ex believer, that others choose to believe. Less so actually. Unlike smoking where there is no 2nd hand smoke to harm you.

 

[holbritter]

Maybe you should relax, you don't own the thread, your not in charge of anything.

My post are spot on in relation to the topic, trust yourself not some imaginary god.

Trust God and call it a day? I saw that bumper sticker this morning. I think it's stupid. How about trust yourself instead?​

Why don't you stop trying to tell people their god is imaginary? Do you get pleasure out of insulting people that have different beliefs?

I really don't understand all of you that come to this specific area of the forum and start insulting. Unless someone here is messaging you and trying to force their beliefs on you, then stay the **** out if you can't resist insulting others.

I'm an agnostic myself, but ffs I don't feel the need to push my views on others.

 

[Revelation]

Revelation said:
your great solution for classroom discipline is what?

get the biggest guy in the school with strong arm and lay into offenders, would be my solution.

the guy with the strong arm would prolly be you Logic; are you asking for the job?

sorry, i help with the adults who have needs now; since you have a Children's ministry as you claim...........


anyway, local Real bible church open today; may i have the honor of fellow-shipping today with you and yours??

 

[tosca1]

Self delusion can be comforting, I'm sure. So good luck to you.

hahaha - you folks have a distorted way of looking at things.
Something's wrong with your logic.
let's set that straight.

No, good luck to you!

I have many basis for my so-called "self-delusion"...........................whereas you're holding on to nothing but straws.
Therefore - who's comforted by self-delusion?
That would be you.

 

[bongsaway]

Agreed. But you're talking about a bumper sticker, per your OP. A bumper sticker is hurting no one. Why does anyone feel the need to insult people for their beliefs over a bumper sticker?

Live and let live.

It's, in my opinion, one more piece of brainwashing. Believe in my god and your problems will disappear. I just don't think it works that way.

 

[Logician Man]

i help with the adults

Revelation said:
your great solution for classroom discipline is what?

get the biggest guy in the school with strong arm and lay into offenders (minor-aged defenseless school children), would be my solution.
Revelation said:
your great solution for classroom discipline is what?

get the biggest guy in the school with strong arm and lay into offenders, would be my solution.

 

[bongsaway]

Then it shouldn't bother you as an ex believer, that others choose to believe. Less so actually. Unlike smoking where there is no 2nd hand smoke to harm you.

Why do you think Roe was overturned? I'm going to go out on a limb and say the religious right had a ton to do with the decision. The constant chant of baby killers and they even go as far as saying they, the Dems, abort babies after they are born. Brilliant, no? So yes, their actions do bother me. They should leave well enough alone but because they believe in a god I'm supposed to? No way. The religious right is far from innocent when it comes to trying to take away the rights of others.

 

[bongsaway]

Revelation said:
your great solution for classroom discipline is what?

get the biggest guy in the school with strong arm and lay into offenders (minor-aged defenseless school children), would be my solution.
Revelation said:
your great solution for classroom discipline is what?

get the biggest guy in the school with strong arm and lay into offenders, would be my solution.

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Huh? I went to Catholic school and the nuns took care of corporal punishment, daily.

 

[Revelation]

Huh? I went to Catholic school and the nuns took care of corporal punishment, daily.

did they have the Strongest arms?

my mother/father certainly did; the leather belts were always waiting and ready. some days they were tired and i had to sit on the stairs or a chair; guess that is why i prefer a good paddle over the boredom of sitting on the stairs.



blessings. i am still waiting at a good real bible church for you, in the back pew.


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[Daisy]

 

[gboisjo]

Why...........what's wrong with adding GOD?


I hope you don't think that when we say trust in GOD, that we won't be doing anything else?
Lol - you still do what you have to do. GOD will guide you. Like what happened to Bong!


Btw, how do you know those people close to you, were not guided by GOD to help you?


I got fired from a job (which was part of the adventure of 7 years or so)......ar the time our mortgage was being renewed (with a good deal being given to us).
I was honest to tell the bank that I just lost my job.
Guess what, it was like they didn't hear what I said!
They still gave us the same deal! Nothing's changed.

I give the credit to God.

All I'm saying is this, I've lived a full life without god.

My closest family and relatives growing up were not into god. We solved our own problems when they occurred, no mention of god.

Your beliefs are different then mine, what works for you isn't what works for me.

 

[gboisjo]

amen Gbois. actually God has given you the wisdom and health to make it this far: good job.

God hasn't given me anything because I don't believe in god as understood by the bible.

I worked my way through my obstacles using my family, friends and the system.

You wanna believe, fine, not me

 

[bongsaway]

did they have the Strongest arms?

my mother/father certainly did; the leather belts were always waiting and ready. some days they were tired and i had to sit on the stairs or a chair; guess that is why i prefer a good paddle over the boredom of sitting on the stairs.



blessings. i am still waiting at a good real bible church for you, in the back pew.


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I wouldn't wait real long. When I was a kid in catholic school I was told Catholic ism was the true religion. So many true religions, which to choose from?

 

[poppopfox]

I wouldn't wait real long. When I was a kid in catholic school I was told Catholic ism was the true religion. So many true religions, which to choose from?

 

[nota bene]

What was I supposed to gain from reading your link? What I got out of it, beliefs are not facts. I read two of the articles and neither mentioned god.

So to sum things up, you still have not said beliefs are indeed not facts. Differ. Is that like alternative facts?

Well, okay. In my post to which you are responding, I prefaced the link with "I did a little Google for you so that you can see for yourself how commonly the differences are discussed and by who."

Because this wasn't enough, go back and look at the link. In order, a private entity, Colorado State's writing lab, and two "popular" publications (in psych and philosophy) and many other sources listed on the page all discuss the difference between beliefs and facts.

 

[holbritter]

Why do you think Roe was overturned? I'm going to go out on a limb and say the religious right had a ton to do with the decision. The constant chant of baby killers and they even go as far as saying they, the Dems, abort babies after they are born. Brilliant, no? So yes, their actions do bother me. They should leave well enough alone but because they believe in a god I'm supposed to? No way. The religious right is far from innocent when it comes to trying to take away the rights of others.

You’re conflating two different issues. It’s a freaking bumper sticker! Do you take all bumper stickers so seriously?